--- Log opened Wed Sep 28 00:09:18 2011
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08:58 < user890104> SunSpire: which iloader version are you using?
09:03 < TheSeven> that's a 0.1.x version judging from the behavior
09:04 < TheSeven> extracting http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/themes/iloader-theme-default-0.1.2.zip to it might help
09:05 < TheSeven> once that's fixed, I'd recommend to update to v0.2.2, which generally behaves a bit better in such situations
13:23 < SunSpire> wow, your .zip file did MAGIC! Rockbox works like a charm again
13:24 < SunSpire> thank you so much! :)
13:25 < SunSpire> btw. I am not sure which iLoader version it is, it's been about a year ago since I installed it the first time .. will check if I can manage to update it
13:49 < user890104> it is recommnded to update it
13:49 < user890104> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/iloader/updating.php
13:49 < user890104> you'll need update-0.1.cfg
13:50 < user890104> instead of update.cfg
13:58 < SunSpire> correct
13:58 < SunSpire> that way I also got rid of the apple firmware partition
14:32 < SunSpire> ok it's updated now and looking nice, but now I get frequent random crashes during mp3 playback in rockbox: right now it's a black screen with "undefined instruction at 0802610C"
14:42 < user890104> SunSpire: so you updated to emcore or iloader?
14:43 < SunSpire> I did the iloader update
14:44 < TheSeven> so you're now running iloader v0.2.2?
14:44 < SunSpire> I believe so, yes .. I do have more options than before
14:45 < TheSeven> how frequent are the crashes?
14:46 < SunSpire> only during playback, I can't play any song from start to finish
14:46 < SunSpire> should the memory be FAT16 or 32? 
14:49 < user890104> fat32
14:50 < SunSpire> ok it does crash in the menu as well, I was scrolling through the credits screen and all of a sudden I got *PANIC* on a white background
14:50 < SunSpire> it is fat32 btw
14:51 < user890104> only *PANIC* or some other text after it?
14:51 < SunSpire> Stkov 2010   (whatever that means!?)
14:51 < user890104> stack overflow
14:52 < user890104> more likely an infinite loop in the code
14:52 < SunSpire> do you reckon I should try an older build?
14:52 < SunSpire> of rockbox
14:52 < user890104> yeah, try the latest release version
14:52 < user890104> 3.9.1 at the moment
14:53 < SunSpire> that's the version I got
14:54 < user890104> well try 3.9 then: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.9/ipodnano2g-3.9-english.zip
14:55 < user890104> i have a nano2g too and have been using 3.9 for quite a long time
14:55 < user890104> maybe since it was released
14:55 < SunSpire> that's a voicefile :)
14:55 < user890104> ah sorry
14:56 < user890104> http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.9/rockbox-ipodnano2g-3.9.zip
14:56 < user890104> i just picked up the first "ipodnano2g" file :)
14:58 < SunSpire> thanks! .. "testing"
14:59 < user890104> if i were you, i would upgrade iloader to emcore
15:01 < TheSeven> depending on the lcd type that might not work too well, but you could of course just try
15:01 < SunSpire> still crashing 
15:01 < SunSpire> I wonder if the memory in the unit is slowly dying maybe
15:02 < SunSpire> the emcore stuff is pretty new to me, will have to figure out how to install it
15:03 < TheSeven> works like an iloader update
15:07 < user890104> SunSpire: i've just uploaded emcore installer r773 and tested in on my ipod, so it should be relatively safe to try it on yours
15:08 < user890104> if your lcd isn't compatible (and you can't see the further instructions on the screen), it won't modify anything
15:17 < SunSpire> can you give me a link to the file? .. I'm on the website but it is a bit confusing
15:20 < user890104> http://builds.freemyipod.org/emcore-installer/target/ipodnano2g/emcore-installer-ipodnano2g-r773.ubi
15:20 < user890104> these are a bit hidden, because usually they are untested
15:21 < SunSpire> do I use this with ipodpatcher?
15:23 < user890104> you can save it as "installer.bin" and use the update function of iloader
15:23 < user890104> just like you updated it, but this time you need update.cfg and not update-0.1.cfg
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15:26 < user890104> rockbox 3.9.1 + emcore r773 works fine for me, i can scroll the credits screen all the way down and it doesn't crash
15:26 < SunSpire> ah ok, I was wondering
15:28 < SunSpire> it freezes as soon as I hit "update iLoader"
15:29 < user890104> define "freezes" - white screen or something else?
15:30 < SunSpire> light dims, menu still visible but can't press anything 
15:31 < SunSpire> interestingly enough, I have grabbed the rockbox download from the emcore website - and that's still playing music right now without distortion ... for the last 3 minutes w/o crashes and still going
15:31 < SunSpire> ah, nevermind ... there it went to hell again :(
15:32 < SunSpire> embios keeps telling me the FTL seems to be unclean upon every reboot
15:33 < user890104> yeah, that happens if you reset your ipod while rockbox is running
15:33 < user890104> which is the only way if it crashes
15:39 < SunSpire> it seems to be a lot more stable than before, tho .. 
15:43 < SunSpire> and now it disappeared again ... guess there won't be an easy solution to this - but thanks to all of you for your help, I appreciate it :)
15:44 < user890104> SunSpire: you mean that you got another *panic*?
15:45 < TheSeven> hm, were you using a very old rockbox version before the trouble started?
15:45 < TheSeven> that might have been a pre-undervolting version, and a very flaky device
15:45 < SunSpire> no, the other error .. "undefined instruction at (random number) "
15:46 < SunSpire> wish I could remember, it has been more than a year ago that I installed it so it must be a bit older for sure
15:47 < SunSpire> after it broke and my failed attempts to fix it, I left it untouched for a couple months ... the battery charge seems to be fine tho
15:49 < SunSpire> yesterday I found a link to this irc # and decided to give it another go
16:34 < SunSpire> I uninstalled iloader, formatted the drive and restored with itunes (wow, never thought I could still do that) .. will try to play some mp3 files now and if that works, I'll re-install everything 
16:39 < TheSeven> hm you might want to try either using an older rockbox version from back when you installed it for the first time
16:43 < SunSpire> it works absolutely fine now, well at least I know the memory isn't faulty then .. that's a relief
16:43 < TheSeven> my guess would be that our power management is too aggressive
16:43 < SunSpire> yeah, I agree .. I think I'll start with some early version of rockbox and then work my way up and keep testing
16:45 < SunSpire> I definitely learned a thing or two while messing around with it today :P
16:46 < SunSpire> what was the first rockbox that supported the nano 2g?
16:48 < SunSpire> found it
17:03 < TheSeven> http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=24723
17:04 < TheSeven> http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=24721
17:04 < TheSeven> http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=28590
17:04 < TheSeven> http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=28606
17:04 < TheSeven> one of these is probably the culprit
17:19 < SunSpire> that hit the nail on the head
17:20 < SunSpire> v3.7.1 is working flawlessly, v3.8 does not
17:22 < user890104> SunSpire: can you check what's your LCD type?
17:23 < user890104> Diagnostics mode -> Others -> Status -> (press Select) -> LCD Detect0 and LCD Detect1
17:23 < SunSpire> ok, one sec
17:25 < SunSpire> hold on, switching IRC to my main pc ... brb
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17:26 < SunSpire> there, now I can type faster :)
17:27 < SunSpire> it says lcd detect 0:1, and lcd detect 1:0 
17:27  * user890104 wonders why his ipod have started to reset its clock, and hopes that TheSeven might have a guess about that
17:28 < SunSpire> there's also a lot of gibberish on the 1st diagnostics page, I don't think that's supposed to be there
17:28 < user890104> it is there because of the way iloader overwrites part of the NOR flash
17:29 < user890104> so the actual syscfg information is moved to make space for the custom bootloader
17:29 < user890104> we manage to fool the original firmware of this block of memory's location, but not diag mode
17:29 < SunSpire> I see
17:30 < user890104> which reads it straight from the flash
17:30 < SunSpire> what are the different types of lcd's then? 
17:30 < user890104> well, mine is 0:0 and 1:0
17:31 < user890104> TheSeven knows more about these, since he wrote the driver
17:35 < TheSeven> SunSpire: if you're willing to spend some time debugging we could try to nail down which particular one of those is causing the trouble and build v3.9 without that particular commit
17:35 < SunSpire> I totally suck at programming, but if I can help point out a problem or bug through testing I'll gladly do so :) 
17:37 < TheSeven> well, there's a maximum of 16 combinations of the above commits that could be tried, we might hopefully find one with just one of these patches left out and all others being applied that still works fine
17:39 < SunSpire> right, just hit me with files ;)
17:39 < TheSeven> user890104: could you do me a favor and handle that? i don't have the neccessary toolchain installed right now
17:40 < user890104> TheSeven: yeah, sure
17:41 < TheSeven> just build svn head with all of these reverted first to check if it's indeed one of them
17:41 < TheSeven> after that, try reverting them individually
17:42 < TheSeven> it might also be worth a try to increase the 0.9V (unboosted) voltage a bit
17:44 < user890104> how much?
17:44 < TheSeven> you could try 0.925/0.95/0.975
17:44 < TheSeven> so +1/2/3 in the register
17:44 < TheSeven> if it needs more than that, revert the voltage scaling patch altogether as it wouldn't have any effect
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17:59 < user890104> ok, i can do this in an hour
17:59 < user890104> SunSpire: i'll send you a rockbox build now, if you get any error please write down the random number
18:00 < user890104> which isn't actually random
18:00 < user890104> so i can trace where the problem comes from
18:00 < user890104> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-bc5d14e0.html
18:03 < SunSpire> song is playing
18:04 < SunSpire> stuttering tho!
18:04 < SunSpire> like a badly encoded mp3 (tho I know it isn't!) lol
18:05 < SunSpire> crash ... and gone
18:05 < user890104> crash with some text .. or just lock up?
18:05 < SunSpire> now it resumed! ... still stuttering, ouch my ears
18:05 < SunSpire> there, gone again ... screen is blank
18:06 < SunSpire> no error message, no light
18:06 < TheSeven> user890104: what did you do to that build? :P
18:06 < user890104> TheSeven: nothing, that's 3.9.1 + my ipod classic patch which doesn't matter here
18:07 < TheSeven> ouch
18:08 < user890104> well the exact same build works fine here
18:09 < user890104> is it possible that there's something with our bootloader, that rockbox isn't setting up at all?
18:09 < TheSeven> well, he's running emcore now, so that should hit you as well
18:10 < SunSpire> actually, no .. I'm on iLoader 0.2.2 still because I couldn't get emcore to work earlier
18:10 < SunSpire> should I try that again?
18:10 < TheSeven> hm, nevertheless I don't think our drivers have changed much since then
18:12  * user890104 installs iloader 0.2 on his ipod
18:15 < SunSpire> I dunno whether or not my ipod is a good reference device for testing, because I once accidentally dropped it in a washing machine and it took me a few days to bring it back to life, using a hair blower :)
18:15 < user890104> ah...
18:15 < SunSpire> THAT, however ... was about 4-5 years ago
18:16 < SunSpire> and it has been running excellent until recently
18:16 < user890104> well, iloader + the rockbox build i sent you work fine for me
18:16 < user890104> i can listen to a song and scroll the credits at the same time
18:16 < user890104> no crashes or stuttering
18:16 < SunSpire> weird
18:17 < SunSpire> you could say if it runs on my device, it should work for everyone ... lol
18:18 < TheSeven> maybe the water has damaged the power supply or filtering circuitry (or pcb traces?) a bit
18:18 < TheSeven> that could explain why it's less undervoltable than other devices
18:19 < SunSpire> possibly, I wouldn't know
18:19 < SunSpire> like I said, that was many years ago ....  and 3.7.1 works fine, anything after that is totally messed up
18:19 < TheSeven> i think a surefire way to fix this is to set the voltages to their stock values and disable boosting alltogether
18:19 < TheSeven> it might be sufficient to just increase the voltages a tiny bit though
18:20 < TheSeven> post-3.7.1 builds try to conserve power much more aggressively, operating the processor quite a bit out of spec
18:21 < TheSeven> we're running at 0.9V (48MHz) or 1.0V (192MHz), while apple is at like 1.15V all the time
18:21 < TheSeven> (and early rockbox builds as well)
18:22 < TheSeven> might be worth trying to install a non-undervolting emcore build - the installer might magically start working :)
18:24 < SunSpire> just point me in the right direction and I'll have a go
18:25 < SunSpire> I can see the point of undervolting of course - longer battery life
18:31 < SunSpire> maybe a voltage setting within rockbox would be useful, tho I dunno how dangerous that would be
19:24 < SunSpire> anyone know why I can't use the "update" option in iLoader (screen freeze) and when using ipodpatcher on the emcore .ipodx instead it says "wrote 0 bytes to firmware partition" 
19:24 < SunSpire> I can install and uninstall iLoader 0.2.2 - but it doesn't work with emcore 
19:36 < SunSpire> oh great, now I got a whole new issue :/
19:41 < SunSpire> apple logo -> battery symbol -> stuck ...  but may have found a fix already
19:42 < TheSeven> battery symbol => ftl damage :/
19:47 < SunSpire> I fixed it                                                                                                                
19:47 < SunSpire> it seems like the more I mess around with it, the more new issues I encounter that I never heard of before
19:49 < SunSpire> anyway, I'll be re-installing iLoader 0.2.2 and rockbox 3.7.1 now and hopefully be happy with it ... if I can do any more testing for you just let me know, but my best guess is that my nano does not reflect the standard ipod and thus may confuse more than help :P
19:57 < SunSpire> when I use ipodpatcher for iLoader, it says "Wrote 301056 bytes to firmware partition"
19:58 < SunSpire> when I try that with emcore, it says "0 bytes" 
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20:32 < user890104> SunSpire: what's the exact command that you use with ipodpatcher and emcore?
20:32 < user890104> and what operating system are you using?
20:33 < SunSpire> ipodpatcher -a installer.ipodx (renamed from the long filename) 
20:33 < SunSpire> currently on win7 x64
20:35 < user890104> which was the old filename
20:35 < user890104> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-2ef3693a.html
20:35 < user890104> try this one instead
20:36 < user890104> but please uninstall iloader first
20:36 < SunSpire> http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20110424/installer-ipodnano2g-r708-20110424.ipodx
20:36 < SunSpire> was the one I used
20:37 < user890104> that file needs to be fixed at some point...
20:37 < user890104> it's 8 bytes
20:37 < SunSpire> ok ... sigh, breaking a running system again for the sake of wisdom :P
20:37 < user890104> so only the header
20:38 < SunSpire> lol, I see
20:38 < SunSpire> I didn't even check the filesize
20:41 < user890104> ok, "fixed"
20:42 < user890104> this has been reported before one or two times, but nobody fixed it
20:42 < user890104> and i don't have upload access to that folder
20:43 < SunSpire> "Wrote 659456 bytes to firmware partition" 
20:43 < SunSpire> let's see how this turned out 
20:43 < user890104> that should be better
20:44 < user890104> i hope you'll like the new boot menu
20:45 < SunSpire> looking good so far, removing the firmware partition once again
20:45 < user890104> i actually keep it
20:46 < user890104> so i can uninstall without messing with itunes at all
20:47 < SunSpire> it looks really neat :)
20:47 < SunSpire> like the scroll-menu 
20:48 < SunSpire> now should I stick with 3.7.1 for now or try newer builds once again?
20:48 < user890104> try it anyway
20:49 < user890104> if it fails, use the old one
20:49 < SunSpire> ok
20:50 < user890104> emcore has a nice function called UMSboot which makes updating even easier
20:51 < user890104> that's why i recommend it
20:51 < TheSeven> user890104: the most recent iloader should have umsboot as well
20:51 < user890104> the one i installed didn't
20:51 < user890104> or i missed it
20:52 < SunSpire> using your build from earlier again
20:54 < TheSeven> should be in the fallback menu
20:54 < user890104> ah, that's why i missed it
20:55 < SunSpire> it is actually, but most options in the fallback menu caused my nano to freeze, before emcore that is
20:55 < TheSeven> that shouldn't happen either, and is another sign of undervolting trouble
20:57 < user890104> there are some options which aren't meant to be run this way
20:57 < SunSpire> crashed 16 seconds into the first song
20:57 < SunSpire> think I'll just have to stick with 3.7.1 for now
20:57 < user890104> yeah, that would be your best option at the moment
20:58 < user890104> do you want to help finding the problem in rockbox?
20:59 < user890104> if so, i can make some builds for you to try
20:59 < SunSpire> sure
20:59 < SunSpire> just keep in mind I only got this one model I can use :)
21:00 < user890104> well, the problem is that all commits that TheSeven suggested to be likely to cause trouble, are pre-3.7.1, which works fine for you
21:01 < user890104> 3.7.1 is r28675
21:01 < user890104> according to rockbox's svn tags
21:03 < SunSpire> so the problem must be elsewhere
21:03 < TheSeven> 3.7.1 has been branched at 3.7.0 and only some fixes have been backported
21:03 < TheSeven> so effectively that's probably <r28000
21:06 < user890104> ah ok
21:17 < SunSpire> I reverted back to 3.7.1 and now I got the problem that after the emCORE 0.2.2 r773 line it just stays white, with rockbox controls invisible in the background
21:20 < user890104> uhm, did you manage to run rockbox from within emcore at least once?
21:21 < TheSeven> but rockbox is running?
21:21 < SunSpire> yes, when I tried your latest build where it crashed
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21:21 < TheSeven> stupid lcd freezes :/
21:21 < SunSpire> yes, I just had music playing without seeing anything on screen
21:21  * TheSeven really wants to know why this is happening on some devices but not on others
21:23 < SunSpire> apple's firmware loads fine from the menu (when skipping fastboot)
21:24  * TheSeven should probably overhaul that crap once again from the bottom up if he had time to do that :/
21:25 < SunSpire> that's the spirit :)
21:30 < user890104> TheSeven: is it possible that this has something to do with the DMA bug in nano 2g's lcd driver?
21:31 < TheSeven> well I'm not sure what's happening there
21:31 < TheSeven> the first DMA transfer succeeds, and all the non-DMA transfers after it are ignored
21:32 < TheSeven> emBIOS was doing only DMA, rockbox isn't doing DMA at all, and emCORE is doing a mix of both (DMA for the console, non-DMA for the rest)
21:33 < TheSeven> i have absolutely no clue what could have broken it
21:33 < TheSeven> it's not as if the DMA driver would be new or anything
21:34 < TheSeven> could be that displaylcd_dither is messing something up in a way that can't be recovered by anything but the apple driver
21:39  * SunSpire restored his ipod to factory settings, ready to be tortured some more :)
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