--- Log opened Thu Sep 30 00:19:29 2010
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03:11 < pizzaboy192> HELP!
03:11 < pizzaboy192> My 2nd gen nano won't do anything but load iLoader anymore =(
03:11 < pizzaboy192> my Mac ate the drive, and won't restore my iNano either =(
03:12 < pizzaboy192> and to make matters worse, ipodpatcher won't see it =(
03:41 < pizzaboy192> I will try restoring my iPod using my netbook and iTunes... i'll see how it goes...
03:57 < pizzaboy192> I am guessing i need the iLoader folder from the Nano... If someone could zip it up, that'd be great
03:57 < pizzaboy192> My email is pizzaboy192@gmail.com
03:57 < pizzaboy192> please please please do help me
03:57 < pizzaboy192> i need this fixed ASAP
03:58 < pizzaboy192> time for a nap
04:51 < pizzaboy192> back... anyone one?
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16:07 < pizzaboy192> Hello again
16:08 < pizzaboy192> I have classes and stuff today, but if someone could help me, that'd be great
16:08 < pizzaboy192> my iNano 2nd gen won't load past the iLoader screen. If someone has the folder to send me or if i can get a copy of the .cfg file to force it to upgrade, that would be awesome.
16:08 < pizzaboy192> Itunes won't restore it either.
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16:18 < pizzaboy192> HELP!
16:18 < pizzaboy192> Please!
16:18 < pizzaboy192> my iNano 2nd gen won't load past the iLoader screen. If someone has the folder to send me or if i can get a copy of the .cfg file to force it to upgrade, that would be awesome.
16:18 < pizzaboy192> Itunes won't restore it either.
16:27 < benedikt93> pizzaboy192, hi. I myself can't really help you, but you should wait for TheSeven (~main dev) to come in, or maybe user890104 or Farthen might know, or you could check the logs at logs.freemyipod.org , there were already other people with such problem who got it solved, possibly you can find a solution there
16:28 < user890104> pizzaboy192: can you get to disk mode?
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19:23 < inoth> hello
19:26 < inoth> i tried to install iLoader on my ipod nano 2g, installer said that everything is ok, but now rockbox on my ipod cant load, and the only thing i can do is to restart ipod. I want to reset settings on ipod to default but my pc dont see it now. How could i do it?
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20:05 < pizzaboy192> @inoth sounds like you're in the same boat I am in
20:05 < pizzaboy192> my iNano won't load anything but iLoader
20:08 < inoth> i just want to return to default settings
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20:49 < user890104> can you select anything from the iloader menu?
20:49 < user890104> for example disk mode
20:56 < inoth> nope
21:07 < user890104> what does it show when you turn it on
21:08 < user890104> an iloader logo?
21:08 < pizzaboy192> user890104: still there?
21:08 < user890104> yes
21:08 < pizzaboy192> lol... didn't see the time
21:09 < pizzaboy192> my nano shows the logo and lets me go into disk mode, but when I try to restore it via iTunes, it doesn't work.
21:09 < user890104> what does itunes say
21:09 < pizzaboy192> it says I need to restore it
21:09 < pizzaboy192> every time
21:09 < user890104> and can you browse the files when you select disk mode
21:09 < pizzaboy192> even after a restore
21:09 < pizzaboy192> yes
21:09 < user890104> and is there an iloader folder
21:09 < pizzaboy192> no
21:10 < user890104> so you need to make one
21:10 < user890104> and put some files into it
21:10 < pizzaboy192> then what?
21:10 < pizzaboy192> what files do I need?
21:10 < user890104> just a second
21:11 < user890104> http://the-seven.tk/download/ipod/iloader/themes/iloader-theme-default-0.2.2.zip
21:11 < user890104> delete the iloader folder
21:11 < user890104> and extract the whole archive
21:11 < user890104> into the root folder of your player
21:12 < user890104> inoth: what about your problem, what happens when you turn on the ipod?
21:13 < inoth> i'm restoring defaoult setting on ipod right now
21:13 < user890104> with itunes?
21:13 < inoth> yep
21:13 < inoth> will it work?
21:14 < pizzaboy192> k... white screen now.
21:14 < user890104> inoth: yes, follow these instructions to uninstall: 
21:14 < user890104> http://the-seven.tk/ipod/iloader/uninstallation.php
21:14 < user890104> pizzaboy192: any text on the white screen?
21:15 < pizzaboy192> nope
21:15 < pizzaboy192> reset and try again?
21:15 < user890104> yep, try a reset
21:15 < user890104> menu+center button
21:15 < user890104> it should at least load the iloader
21:15 < pizzaboy192> still white screen
21:16 < user890104> strange..
21:16 < user890104> which iloader version are you using
21:16 < user890104> do you see an apple logo right after reset?
21:16 < user890104> before the iloader menu
21:16 < pizzaboy192> i was trying to upgrade from 0.1.4
21:16 < pizzaboy192> i se nothing
21:16 < user890104> and the upgrade failed?
21:17 < pizzaboy192> that's why i installed iLoader (To fix the White screen of death)
21:17 < pizzaboy192> i copied the files over, and the upgrade didn't load (because the iBook saw the device and initilized it)
21:17 < inoth> user, could you instruct me how to install linux on my ipod?
21:17 < inoth> i cant do that: Run the following command:      * ./ipodpatcher -a installer*.ipodx
21:17 < user890104> inoth: on nano 2g it's not currently possible
21:17 < inoth> in my win
21:18 < inoth> ah ok
21:18 < pizzaboy192> remove the ./
21:18 < user890104> only on older models
21:18 < pizzaboy192> for the command
21:18 < pizzaboy192> and it'll be fine
21:18 < user890104> pizzaboy192: now what happens after you reset the ipod?
21:18 < user890104> inoth: did you successfully uninstalled iloder?
21:19 < pizzaboy192> still white
21:19 < pizzaboy192> white all the time
21:20 < user890104> can you open system profiler -> usb and see if it is detected somehow
21:20 < inoth> @user yes
21:20 < pizzaboy192> i'm on my windows box and it sees nothing...
21:20 < pizzaboy192> tried to intsall a driver and then failed
21:20 < user890104> the driver install is a bit tricky
21:21 < user890104> the ipod has different IDs depending on which mode it is currently in
21:21 < pizzaboy192> what menu choice is the upgrade option?
21:22 < user890104> what do you mean
21:22 < user890104> in the iloader menu?
21:22 < pizzaboy192> yes
21:22 < user890104> i don't have a nano 2g
21:22 < user890104> but if it's showing white screen
21:22 < user890104> i don't think i can help you
21:23 < user890104> unless you manage to open iloader or disk mode
21:23 < pizzaboy192> i'll try another restore in itunes
21:23 < user890104> or maybe the fallback menu (recovery mode)
21:23 < user890104> ok, try it
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21:27 < pizzaboy192> restoring...
21:28 < pizzaboy192> k... got the iLoader screen...
21:28 < pizzaboy192> but no theme, and it went right back to disk mode when I hit the play button
21:28 < user890104> so .. did you see an apple logo before iloader
21:28 < pizzaboy192> didn't lok
21:28 < pizzaboy192> *look
21:28 < pizzaboy192> i'll reset and check again
21:28 < user890104> ok
21:28 < pizzaboy192> if i do, what does that mean?
21:29 < user890104> it means that you're still at iloader 0.1.x
21:29 < user890104> so you'll need an older theme files
21:29 < pizzaboy192> no... it's a blue screen
21:29 < pizzaboy192> says something about pressing "hold"
21:30 < user890104> so you're at the iloader screen now?
21:30 < user890104> and it's asking for a theme
21:31 < pizzaboy192> yup, then when I hit menu, it says no config file...
21:32 < user890104> ok, go to disk mode, delete the iloader folder and try this one: http://theseven.lima-city.de/download/ipod/iloader/themes/iloader-theme-default-0.1.2.zip
21:32 < user890104> extract it the same way as the previous
21:32 < user890104> and it should work
21:32 * TheSeven wonders what is happening here
21:33 < user890104> TheSeven: i'm sharing my iloader knowledge from idleing here with the others
21:33 < TheSeven> user890104: I'm wondering more about what that ipod is doing :)
21:34 < pizzaboy192> It only boots to a white screen, and if i can guess what buttons to push, i can restore it in iTunes and get an iLoader screen... but then after a restore\rebooot, white screen again
21:34 < TheSeven> which lcd type?
21:34 < pizzaboy192> OOH!
21:34 < pizzaboy192> it's a 2nd gen nano
21:34 < pizzaboy192> got a creen
21:34 < pizzaboy192> *screen
21:34 < TheSeven> (the LCD_DETECT values from diagmode)
21:35 < pizzaboy192> where do I find that?
21:35 < pizzaboy192> i'm in diagmode
21:36 < user890104> TheSeven: what does this mean: *PANIC* ATA Error 1 ?
21:37 < pizzaboy192> LCD gives me the options of baclight control and color patern
21:39 < TheSeven> no, it's somewhere in the "others" => "status" menu or something
21:39 < TheSeven> on the second page
21:40 < TheSeven> "ata error 1" basically means "anything went wrong while trying to access the flash"
21:40 < pizzaboy192> UPDATING!
21:40 < pizzaboy192> woot
21:41 < pizzaboy192> it says "powered by emBIOS" at the bottom
21:41 < pizzaboy192> white screen =(
21:41 < pizzaboy192> grr...
21:41 < pizzaboy192> ah!
21:41 < pizzaboy192> need new theme files
21:41 < pizzaboy192> it seems to work fine without theme files though =\
21:42 < pizzaboy192> i'll wait a few more minutes and then reset it
21:42 < TheSeven> when you're saying "white screen", you mean a completely white screen without anything on it? or some kind of error message/wsod?
21:43 < pizzaboy192> completely white
21:43 < pizzaboy192> WSOD white
21:44 < pizzaboy192> prolly should re-install rockbox
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21:48 < pizzaboy192> now i'm in EMI bios recovery mode...
21:48 < pizzaboy192> now what?
21:49 < pizzaboy192> what do i push to enter disk mode after i install it?
21:49 < pizzaboy192> so that I can update files?
21:50 < pizzaboy192> since I can't see what is on teh screen?
21:54 < pizzaboy192> meh... i give up for a whille
21:54 < pizzaboy192> it's stuck at a dim white screen now...
21:55 < pizzaboy192> helloooo???
21:55 < pizzaboy192> anyone alive?
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21:57 < pizzaboy192_> wifi crashed
21:57 < pizzaboy192_> anyone still here?
21:59 < pizzaboy192_> urg...
21:59 < user890104> i'm here but don't know what you should do with this white screen
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22:00 < user890104> maybe TheSeven has a better idea
22:00 < pizzaboy192_> as soon as I install a theme, iLoader shows white screens... as soon as the theme is gone, it's fine (but can't load squat)
22:01 < user890104> which iloader version are you using
22:01 < user890104> do you see a "embios something" right after reboot
22:02 < user890104> before the iloder menu
22:02 < user890104> in the upper left corner as black text on white background
22:02 < pizzaboy192_> i see nothing after reboot
22:02 < pizzaboy192_> screen goes white immediately
22:02 < user890104> but if you have the embios recovery mode you should be using the 0.2.x
22:02 < user890104> i mean if there isn't a theme
22:03 < pizzaboy192_> i've gotten into embios recovery by holding the holdswitch
22:03 < pizzaboy192_> if there isn't a theme, iLoader says that it is embios whatever at the bottom
22:04 * TheSeven is a bit confused
22:04 < TheSeven> so if there *is* a theme, you see a white screen, not even the embios messages?
22:05 < user890104> so if it's the embios-powered version, you should be fine with this theme: http://the-seven.tk/download/ipod/iloader/themes/iloader-theme-default-0.2.2.zip
22:05 < TheSeven> even if you enter recovery mode by switching on the hold switch?
22:05 < pizzaboy192_> as soon as a theme is installed, iLoader will only load with a white screen, no text or anything, but as soon as i remove the iLoader folder, everything loads and I can see stuff again...
22:05 < pizzaboy192_> yes
22:05 < TheSeven> and if there is *no* theme, everything is fine and it asks you whether you want to uninstall iloader or whatever?
22:06 < TheSeven> this is really weird as those embios messages are shown at a point during boot where it can't even know if there is a theme or not
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22:07 < pizzaboy192> sorry... dropped again
22:07 < pizzaboy192> back up now
22:08 < pizzaboy192> when i'm in the embios, screen is still white
22:08 < pizzaboy192> is there a buton combo to get me into disk mode?
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22:09 < pizzaboy192> ideas?
22:10 < TheSeven> [00:05] <TheSeven> and if there is *no* theme, everything is fine and it asks you whether you want to uninstall iloader or whatever?
22:10 < TheSeven> [00:06] <TheSeven> this is really weird as those embios messages are shown at a point during boot where it can't even know if there is a theme or not
22:10 < pizzaboy192> so something must be going on behind the scenes
22:10 < TheSeven> if a theme is installed, the button combos should be the same as with the apple bootloader
22:10 < pizzaboy192> screen is currently white
22:10 < TheSeven> and in the boot menu, just pressing the center button will enter disk mode
22:10 < pizzaboy192> so if I push the button combo for disk mode, it should enter it?
22:11 < pizzaboy192> nothing
22:11 < TheSeven> if you use the default theme, it will be easiest to reset it, wait like 5 seconds, and then press the center button
22:12 < pizzaboy192> screen goes black
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22:13 < TheSeven> did you ever manage to enter disk mode with the theme installed? if yes, did the screen stay white while you were in disk mode?
22:13 < pizzaboy192_> sorry
22:13 < pizzaboy192_> shoddy wireless
22:14 < pizzaboy192_> the screen did stay white until i exited disk mode and it did a clean reboot
22:14 < pizzaboy192_>  a ditry reboot will make the screen stay white
22:14 < TheSeven> hm, seems like we're digging up more and more problems where also the apple firmware is affected in some way
22:15 < TheSeven> and this kind of crap is only happening since you updated to an embios-based iloader?
22:15 < pizzaboy192_> before I installed iLoader, the fix was to reboot into the diag partition and do a clean reboot (reset test) and everything worked again
22:15 < pizzaboy192_> but iLoader doesn't fix that (or allow a key combo for the diag)
22:16 < TheSeven> oh, so this kind of fun was already happening with the apple bootloader before?
22:16 < pizzaboy192_> it's the White Screen Of Death
22:16 < pizzaboy192_> (ILoader claimed to fix that)
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22:16 < TheSeven> we usually refer to something completely different as "white screen of death"
22:16 < pizzaboy192_> What do you refer to?
22:17 < TheSeven> which is a white screen saying "use itunes to restore" after unclean shutdowns and with the apple bootloader installed
22:17 < TheSeven> so more like a windows bsod :)
22:17 < pizzaboy192_> ah
22:17 < TheSeven> the kind of white screens you are seeing rather point towards some hardware problem with your LCD
22:17 < pizzaboy192_> there's a second white screen of death where the bootloader doesn't re-initilize the LCD upon reboot\wakeup and you have to do a clean reset to fix it
22:18 < TheSeven> clean reset being what? a menu+select reset or a diagmode reset test?
22:18 < TheSeven> did a deep sleep test and wakeup also fix it?
22:18 < pizzaboy192_> diagmode reset
22:18 < pizzaboy192_> menu+select is a "dirty" reset
22:19 < pizzaboy192_> sleep test\wakeup sometimes would, but it would take 2 or three tries
22:19 < TheSeven> hm, a menu+select reset will always run through the lcd init code
22:20 < TheSeven> but it does shut off power to the LCD briefly, while a diagmode reset test doesn't
22:20 < TheSeven> so the LCD isn't really reset in that case, just reinitialized
22:20 < pizzaboy192_> it should, but a diagmode reset runs another piece of code too that reset the LCD (or something, i forgot what it all does different)
22:20 < TheSeven> yes, of course it is being sent a reset command from the software side of things
22:21 < TheSeven> but unlike a diagmode reset test, a menu+select reset forcibly resets everything by just shutting off power for like a second
22:21 < pizzaboy192_> instead of a hardware reset
22:21 < TheSeven> this suggests that your lcd might need some more delay after powering up before getting initialized
22:21 < pizzaboy192_> I would assume so
22:21 < pizzaboy192_> any way to fix that?
22:22 < TheSeven> or the powerdown might be too short, making it get stuck in some half-resetted state
22:22 < pizzaboy192_> that would make sense
22:22 < TheSeven> but a reset test probably wouldn't fix that
22:22 < pizzaboy192_> i can't even tell what i'm clicking on anymore either...
22:22 < TheSeven> (as it basically just repeats the initialisation)
22:23 < TheSeven> did that wsod problem get worse after installing iloader?
22:23 < pizzaboy192_> not in the sense that it happened more often... just became much more difficult to work around.
22:24 < TheSeven> in terms of what?
22:24 < TheSeven> in theory you can enter diagmode the same way as with the apple bootloader
22:24 < TheSeven> (menu+select reset, then immediately left+select)
22:25 < pizzaboy192_> before I installed iLoader, I was able to reset, and boot into diagmode, then select a reset (even if the screen was white, just press the next-song button a ton and then select, wait a few seconds and repeat, it would reset.
22:25 < TheSeven> and this doesn't work any more?
22:26 < TheSeven> what i still don't get is the relation to whether a theme is installed or not...
22:26 < pizzaboy192_> nope.... when starting the ipod up now, if i am pressing any button as it restarts, the screen goes from one brightness setting to a slightly dimmer one
22:26 < pizzaboy192_> i don't understand it either
22:26 < pizzaboy192_> but that is what caused it. when I got it into disk mode and deleted the iloader folder everything would show up fine.
22:26 < TheSeven> reproducibly, even after menu+select resets?
22:27 < pizzaboy192_> yup
22:27 < TheSeven> now *that*'s weird
22:28 < pizzaboy192_> and after it does that, pressing the select button puts it to sleep
22:29 < pizzaboy192_> gotta go eat
22:29 < pizzaboy192_> ttyl
22:30 < TheSeven> you should probably try entering recovery mode again... press menu+select, and as soon as the backlight shuts off, turn on the hold switch (you need to be quick). the backlight should stay off. now turn the hold switch off and on again, with about half a second in between.
22:30 < TheSeven> if the backlight turns on slightly *after* you turned the hold switch on again, you should be in recovery mode, no matter whether the lcd shows something or not.
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