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00:31 < kaao> im trying to remove iloader from myipod 
00:31 < kaao> but the instructions on the website 
00:32 < kaao> dont seem to be correct i dont see anysort of selection to remove it 
00:32 < TheSeven> are you using an old iloader version? (0.1.x)
00:32 < kaao> how can i check im not sure 
00:32 < TheSeven> if yes, see the mirror of the old site at http://theseven.lima-city.de/ipod/iloader for instructions
00:32 < kaao> i only installed it this year 
00:33 < TheSeven> everything prior to 2010-08-29 is v0.1.x
00:33 < kaao> yeah i think it would be 
00:34 < kaao> going to try this 
00:35 < kaao> it worked thanks alot 
00:35 < kaao> gonna give this one to a friend soo 
00:35 < kaao> lol 
00:35 < kaao> i dont think theyd appretiate linux on it 
00:36 < kaao> love the project though thanks alot 
00:36 < kaao> cheers for now 
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01:52 < hanks> hi niid some help here thx
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02:03 < The_Seven> hanks: what's up?
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02:04 < hanks> yea
02:04 < hanks> stuck in the loading embios screen
02:04 < hanks> cant get the computter to even recognize it through usb
02:05 < hanks> any help thx
02:06 < TheSeven> so it says "emBIOS Loader v0.1.1 r220" "Switch HOLD on for recovery" "Loading emBIOS..." and gets stuck at that point?
02:07 < TheSeven> you used the most recent installer?
02:07 < TheSeven> did the installation appear to be successful?
02:08 < hanks> yep
02:08 < hanks> sort of
02:08 < hanks> I tried the command line
02:08 < hanks> but it failed halfway
02:08 < hanks> and I got into this situation
02:08 < TheSeven> what did you do on the command line?
02:08 < hanks> where it perpectually shows this screen
02:09 < TheSeven> just the usual ipodpatcher -a command?
02:09 < hanks> yea
02:09 < TheSeven> and what did fail?
02:09 < hanks> it chruned up some error halfway
02:09 < TheSeven> ipodpatcher? or the installer on the ipod itself?
02:09 < hanks> I think I reported this a few weeks ago
02:09 < hanks> the command line
02:10 < hanks> is there any dfu mode?
02:10 < hanks> similar to the iphone?
02:10 < TheSeven> first of all I'll need to figure out in which state the installation currently is
02:11 < hanks> ok
02:11 < TheSeven> did the installer on the ipod boot up?
02:11 < hanks> no
02:11 < TheSeven> (the "welcome" screen, then maybe some questions from the wizard, and finally the installation process?)
02:11 < hanks> nope
02:11 < hanks> it just shows the whte screen
02:12 < hanks> evertime I open the ipod 
02:12 < hanks> its a 2g nano
02:12 < hanks> but
02:12 < hanks> ocasinally
02:12 < hanks> I can get  to the boot screen
02:12 < TheSeven> hm, interesting, the installer bootstub doesn't print anything to the lcd
02:12 < hanks> with the click wheel image
02:12 < hanks> but when I click the usb in the middle
02:13 < hanks> it gets back to the white screen
02:13 < hanks> just to let you know
02:13 < TheSeven> so the installer *did* run?
02:13 < hanks> it worked before on my nano
02:13 < hanks> dont think so
02:14 < TheSeven> how did embios, iloader, etc. get installed then?
02:14 < hanks> hmm
02:14 < hanks> I think 
02:15 < hanks> I dont recall seeing any installing screen
02:15 < hanks> I went by your steps
02:15 < hanks> this http://the-seven.tk/ipod/iloader/installation.php
02:16 < hanks> the error occured at the command line
02:16 < hanks> the rest didnt occur as described
02:16 < hanks> no on screen insturction
02:16 < TheSeven> hm
02:17 < hanks> it used to work when I used one that didnt require the command line
02:17 < hanks> just drag and drop
02:17 < TheSeven> was there an older version of iloader installed on that ipod previously?
02:17 < hanks> yes but i restored it shortly after
02:17 < hanks> so iloader was wiped out
02:17 < hanks> I cleared it
02:18 < TheSeven> restoring using itunes doesn't neccessarily wipe iloader
02:18 < hanks> I used the invisble files to check
02:18 < hanks> I remembered you put a dot in front right?
02:18 < TheSeven> what kind of iloader was it that was previously installed?
02:18 < hanks> ooh
02:19 < TheSeven> was that also from the-seven.tk?
02:19 < hanks> it used ibugger at that time I think
02:19 < hanks> last year
02:19 < hanks> I think soi
02:19 < hanks> I used it when it first came out
02:19 < TheSeven> so this was before march 2010 for sure?
02:19 < hanks> yea
02:19 < hanks> 2009
02:19 < TheSeven> ok, so it was a stoneage iloader :)
02:19 < hanks> when the project was in beta
02:19 < hanks> yea
02:20 < hanks> following your team at that time
02:20 < TheSeven> well, those can be removed using itunes
02:20 < hanks> yea
02:20 < TheSeven> anything post-march can't be uninstalled that way any more
02:20 < hanks> yep
02:21 < TheSeven> so you're apparently stuck with a working embios loader, but embios is broken somehow
02:21 < hanks> yea
02:21 < hanks> I just want to let my mac recognize the ipod
02:21 < hanks> and restore it
02:21 < hanks> simple as that
02:21 < TheSeven> and you said that it works sometimes but disk mode locks up?
02:21 < hanks> yea
02:22 < hanks> i tried the hold on for recovery
02:22 < TheSeven> this sounds like hardware trouble... with the data flash chip to be specific
02:22 < hanks> I think so
02:22 < hanks> is the hold on for recovery supposed to work this way?
02:22 < hanks> press middle and menu
02:22 < hanks> and faster switch the hold button?
02:23 < hanks> I could get recovery mode on
02:23 < hanks> and connect via usb
02:23 < hanks> but mac doesnt recognize it
02:23 < TheSeven> itunes doesn't know anything about embios :)
02:24 < TheSeven> so it can't restore through an embios loader recovery mode
02:24 < hanks> aww
02:24 < hanks> is it even jailbreaking?
02:24 < hanks> I think the ipod touch can always get back to dfu mode to restore
02:24 < TheSeven> on this old device, itunes couldn't even restore through DFU
02:24 < hanks> ooh
02:24 < TheSeven> so you have to rely on our tools
02:25 < hanks> 0
02:25 < hanks> how?
02:25 < TheSeven> that recovery mode is some kind of DFU mode made by us, to compensate for the lack of it from apple's side
02:25 < hanks> yea
02:25 < TheSeven> that won't be easy...
02:25 < hanks> I will try and command line
02:25 < hanks> and hacks
02:25 < TheSeven> i don't even know if it works on mac os at all
02:25 < hanks> any*
02:26 < hanks> windows only?
02:26 < TheSeven> i've tested it on windows and linux
02:26 < hanks> mac is *nix 
02:26 < hanks> might work?
02:26 < TheSeven> it might also work on mac os, but i've never used it, and i don't know if libusb works properly on mac os
02:27 < hanks> libusb?
02:27 < TheSeven> but even if we manage to flash the original apple bootloader, i'm not sure if this will help
02:27 < hanks> oh
02:27 < TheSeven> the fact that disk mode locks up tells me that it's very likely for the apple bootloader to behave the same way (they seem to use the same code for accessing the flash)
02:28 < hanks> is my bootroom corrupted?
02:28 < TheSeven> and once we've flashed that, we'll lose our embios loader recovery mode
02:28 < TheSeven> so restoring this one to factory state might potentially brick it permanently
02:28 < hanks> ooh
02:28 < TheSeven> i have only seen this kind of flash trouble / disk mode lockups on one other device so far, which we sadly haven't managed to recover (we're still searching for the reason why that flash chips suddenly thinks it would be write protected)
02:29 < hanks> ook
02:29 < hanks> one way?
02:29 < hanks> you guys have not bricked one before?
02:30 < TheSeven> we can still access that one and run code on it, but not much more
02:30 < TheSeven> and honestly i have no idea why
02:30 < hanks> hmm
02:30 < TheSeven> something keeps telling the flash chip to write-protect itself, and i can't figure out where this signal is coming from
02:31 < hanks> ooh
02:31 < TheSeven> however the observed behavior isn't matching yours exactly
02:31 < hanks> I see
02:31 < TheSeven> on that one, embios booted up successfully, but failed to access the flash
02:32 < hanks> ok
02:32 < hanks> so
02:32 < hanks> no way for mac to recognize my ipod
02:32 < hanks> unless I try the libusb
02:32 < hanks> rite?
02:33 < TheSeven> yes, you'll need libusb, libembiosldr (from our svn), embiosldr.py (from our svn), and maybe some other things
02:33 < TheSeven> however, i don't have the time to guide you through the process right now
02:33 < TheSeven> it's 4:30 am over here
02:33 < hanks> ook
02:34 < hanks> i guees i will just keepo looking around
02:34 < hanks> not sure about this
02:34 < hanks> but I did get to the black and white ipod charging mode
02:35 < hanks> but the mac wont recognize it
02:35 < hanks> once or twice
02:35 < hanks> which is not much use
02:36 < hanks> anyway thx very much
02:56 < TheSeven> ipod charging mode?
03:02 < hanks> yea
03:02 < hanks> the black and white charge mode
03:02 < hanks> charging still works
03:03 < hanks> though not much use
03:03 < hanks> since mac cant detect the ipod
03:04 < hanks> though I cant seem to get it at will
03:04 < hanks> it just occurs at random rarely
03:08 < TheSeven> you mean a screen with a black and white "empty battery" logo?
03:08 < TheSeven> that has nothing to do with a charging mode at all
03:08 < TheSeven> it's a bootloader error message
03:09 < TheSeven> which you shouldn't ever see if embios is installed
03:15 < hanks> yea
03:15 < hanks> ooh
03:15 < hanks> I see
03:15 < hanks> back to square 1
03:58 * S_a_i_n_t is not a fan of the current "two Nanos down" score
03:58 < S_a_i_n_t> But I bet TheSeven is even less of a fan of this.
05:02 < hanks> ok
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12:49 < TheSeven> S_a_i_n_t: well, at least the trouble doesn't appear to be 100% the same
12:50 < S_a_i_n_t> I'd be happier if it *was* the same, no? then at least you'd know if you were dealing with one potentially bricking problem, or two.
12:50 < S_a_i_n_t> ruling out "user-fuckup" is basically impossible though :/
12:51 < TheSeven> actually I hope that this one is "just" a software problem
12:51 < TheSeven> i would be very disappointed if it turns out that mulenmar's problem wasn't a device-specific one, as I don't even have a glimpse of an explanation for it
12:52 < S_a_i_n_t> that's the guy with the "suddenly read-only" Nano2G yeah?
12:54 < TheSeven> yep
12:55 < S_a_i_n_t> Well, that's understandable...even so, do you have DL stats to 'guesstimate' embiosed/iLoadered Nanos?
13:02 < TheSeven> nope
13:02 < TheSeven> i only moved that to freemyipod.org recently, and only Farthen has access to the stats
13:03 < TheSeven> for everything pre-october there are no stats at all
13:03 < S_a_i_n_t> ah...if you had to guess?
13:04 < S_a_i_n_t> I mean, even 2 bricks out of 100 is pretty good going considering the rather experimental ground you're walking on.
13:04 < TheSeven> nope
13:04 < TheSeven> bricks usually happen because of different reasons
13:05 < TheSeven> usually they're devices with damaged very-low-level code that can't be reflashed if it isn't working any more
13:05 < TheSeven> i did a lot of measures to prevent that, and it hasn't happened on a single device so far
13:06 < TheSeven> this kind of hardware fuckup that even affects the apple bootloader/disk mode/OF should never ever happen
13:07 < TheSeven> the only other potential ways of bricking i know of would be messing with the power manager and blowing something by setting a too high voltage, or setting an input GPIO to output.
13:08 < TheSeven> none of these can be the reason for mulenmar's problem
13:31 < S_a_i_n_t> I know he had overclocked his processor "pretty bloody high"
13:32 < S_a_i_n_t> (exact numbers unknown), but "messing with stuff" definitely isn't out of the question.
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16:06 < TheSeven> ahhha
16:06 < TheSeven> i don't think overclocking would hurt too much though, at least if vcore isn't raised
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