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03:51 < pizzaboy192> Just an update for you all.
03:52 < pizzaboy192> I'm the one who was experiencing the other White Screen of Death (The one where the screen doesn't initilize properly, but initilizing the screen later in the boot process makes it work just fine)
03:52 < pizzaboy192> I got my Nano working again
03:52 < pizzaboy192> Threw it in a drawer for a monthish
03:52 < pizzaboy192> just plugged it in, was able to restore and remove iLoader
03:53 < pizzaboy192> won't be installing it until there is an option to delay the screen init (To fix the other WSOD)
03:53 < pizzaboy192> for now, i'll put up with my nano loosing it's mind every now and then.
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16:19 < martin___> I managed to get my ipod nano 2g bricked
16:19 < martin___> I installed iLoader and then Rockbox
16:20 < martin___> Then I wanted to remove all music that I had previously uploaded via iTunes
16:20 < martin___> and deleted everything in the iPod_Control directory while in disk mode
16:21 < TheSeven> doesn't sound bad so far. what happened?
16:22 < martin___> now when I boot i get "Could not load iLoader theme. It was probably deleted..."
16:22 < TheSeven> you didn't delete the iloader folder?
16:22 < martin___> no
16:22 < TheSeven> hm
16:22 < martin___> I can choose to go into disk mode
16:22 < martin___> but nothing happens, just reboots
16:23 < TheSeven> uh oh
16:23 < TheSeven> if you reboot it, does it say something about flash problems?
16:23 < martin___> and I cannot restore the firmware via iTunes
16:23 < martin___> yes
16:24 < TheSeven> if you chose "quit iloader", you'll see the embios console
16:24 < martin___> "the FTL seems to be damaged..."
16:24 < TheSeven> does it complain about an "invalid block type FF" or something similar?
16:24 < martin___> yes, exactly
16:24 < TheSeven> what is the page number?
16:25 < TheSeven> you're apparently the fourth one to get trapped by this nasty bug, and i still haven't fully figured out what is going on...
16:25 < martin___> vPage 910080
16:25 < TheSeven> hm, this isn't the trivial version of the problem then
16:26 < martin___> I can try to explain in more detail what happened
16:26 < TheSeven> when did you install rockbox?
16:26 < martin___> I deleted the iPod_COntrol directory and then reinitialized the database
16:26 < TheSeven> only just now, or some time ago?
16:26 < martin___> and was asked to reboot
16:27 < martin___> yesterday
16:27 < TheSeven> ouch
16:27 < martin___> I rebooted with menu+select
16:27 < TheSeven> you shouldn't have done that
16:27 < TheSeven> menu+select reboots are only a last-resort option if it can't be shut down normally (by holding play)
16:27 < martin___> I was guessing that this was the problem
16:28 < TheSeven> but nevertheless this shouldn't cause this kind of trouble
16:28 < martin___> can I use the soldering trick mentioned on the website?
16:28 < TheSeven> that won't help you
16:29 < TheSeven> this just allows to gain control of a fully unresponsive device again
16:29 < TheSeven> which isn't the case here
16:29 < TheSeven> basically what happened is that rockbox wrote some data to the flash but didn't properly unmount the flash, causing emBIOS to detect an unclean shutdown after the reboot
16:30 < TheSeven> emBIOS then tried to fix that, and the fixing code has a bug, which i just fixed yesterday
16:31 < TheSeven> this might cause it to corrupt even more data on the flash
16:31 < TheSeven> which in turn seems to confuse disk mode enough to fail to repair it
16:32 < TheSeven> after that menu+select reset it started to scan and fix the flash, right?
16:32 < martin___> yes
16:32 < TheSeven> did it succeed and bring up the boot menu again at that point?
16:33 < martin___> I remember that it entered disk mode for a moment
16:33 < martin___> and then it rebooted again ore something like that
16:35 < TheSeven> did it complain about a missing theme immediately after that first FTL check, or did it boot up normally again?
16:37 < martin___> yes, I think so
16:37 < TheSeven> was this the first time ever that you did a menu+select reset after installing iloader?
16:37 < TheSeven> or at least the first time you noticed an FTL check running on boot?
16:38 < martin___> actually I restared with menu+select almost every time
16:38 < martin___> and this was obviously my mistake
16:39 < TheSeven> still it may not cause such behavior if everthing works right
16:39 < TheSeven> so did it ever do an FTL check before?
16:40 < martin___> now thta you mention it, I think it did a chec kevery time I did a menu+select, but it managed to recover
16:41 < martin___> except the last time obviously
16:42 < martin___> windows device manager shows the ipod as an USB device
16:43 < martin___> with a question mark, i.e. with no drivers
16:44 < TheSeven> yes
16:44 < TheSeven> hm, so that FTL fixing code had enough time to completely break the FTL
16:45 < TheSeven> i'm wondering if i should write a tool to completely dump the flash contents...
16:48 < martin___> let me know if i can help debug the issue
16:49 < TheSeven> what storage capacity does your ipod have?
16:49 < martin___> 2G
16:49 < martin___> GB
16:50 < TheSeven> ok
16:51 < TheSeven> while i'm wondering what to do, you can already try to install some tools
16:51 < TheSeven> i assume you're using windows?
16:51 < martin___> yes
16:52 < TheSeven> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.6/python-2.6.6.msi
16:53 < TheSeven> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/pyusb/PyUSB%201.0/1.0.0-alpha-0/pyusb-1.0.0-a0.zip?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fpyusb%2Ffiles%2F&ts=1288025574&use_mirror=mesh
16:53 < TheSeven> extract the latter, start a cmd, cd into the extracted directory and run "setup.py install"
16:53 < martin___> ok
16:54 < TheSeven> are you using windows 7?
16:55 < martin___> no, XP
16:56 < martin___> ok, done
17:13 < martin___> it's getting late over here
17:14 < martin___> let me know if i can be of assistance for this issue
17:14 < martin___> martin.borisov@abv.bg
17:14 < martin___> see ya
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18:13 < dd8ne> Good evening
18:16 < dd8ne> so I'm back with my broken nano2G and a new minihub ;-)
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18:23 < TheSeven> bad news... now we have a total of 4 ipods in that weird state like yours
18:24 < TheSeven> and we're still poking in the dark...
18:25 < dd8ne> so.. that's a good news... so my iPod isn't dead. Memory is ok... And i fully count on your competence
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18:27 < dd8ne> do you know how many iPods are using iLoader?
18:28 < Farthen> we don't know but i expect around 500 if not more
18:29 < dd8ne> so it's about 1%
18:29 < Farthen> 1% of what?
18:29 < Farthen> ah, i see
18:30 < dd8ne> is there any chance to get the old embios up?
18:30 < Farthen> the old one did not do anything better
18:30 < dd8ne> my troubles started with the latest embios
18:30 < Farthen> really?
18:30 < Farthen> but i don't think those have to do with the embios version
18:30 < TheSeven> this is apparently a latent problem
18:31 < dd8ne> yes. The 1st release of embios worked fine
18:31 < TheSeven> nandfsck seems to damage things sometimes
18:31 < dd8ne> and with the latest, I got troubles after each upload
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18:32 < TheSeven> i fear it corrupted dozens of other flashes, which will end up the same way sooner or later, even now that the bug is fixed
18:33 < dd8ne> and there is  no solution, to get back?
18:39 < TheSeven> wiping everything away and reinitializing the FTL
18:39 < TheSeven> in theory that's easy, but for some weird reason it's failing on yours
18:43 < dd8ne> a multiple reset of the FTL does not work? 
18:43 < dd8ne> p.e. a loop with 10 resets
18:45 < Farthen> this will most certainly not improve anything
18:45 < dd8ne> ok
18:46 < Farthen> the ftl is in fact just some data on the flash. it does not help to erase it serveral times
18:46 < Farthen> *several
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19:24 < dd8ne> would be a empty batterie solve this?
19:32 < Farthen> probably not. we still need to investigate how to fix this. for now the only thing you can do is wait
19:34 < dd8ne> will be there a notice on the iLoader page, or should I ask in this 'forum'
19:35 < TheSeven> actually i'll probably have to test a dozen things with you
19:35 < TheSeven> i just have to fix a different issue right now
19:36 < dd8ne> ok. 
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21:05 < dd8ne> ok bye.. will be back on wendesday
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21:28 < Idonteven> anyone on?
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