--- Log opened Sun Oct 31 00:56:23 2010
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08:14 < user890104_> is there a way to uninstall iloader without restoring with itunes first?
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08:15 < TheSeven> that depends
08:15 < TheSeven> if you didn't remove the firmware partition, you can use ipodpatcher to remove the remnants of the installer and then uninstall iloader
08:15 < TheSeven> if you did remove it, you can of course also retore manually by downloading and extracting the ipsw and writing the firmware partition manually
08:16 < user890104> i didn't remove the f/w partition and keep the norbackup
08:16 < user890104> so i need to remove osos and rename osbk to osos?
08:23 < TheSeven> yep
08:24 < TheSeven> the nor backup isn't needed for anything, the uninstaller will grab everything it needs from the firmware partition
08:25 < user890104> i thought it was important to keep it
08:25 < S_a_i_n_t> it used to be.
08:25 < TheSeven> yes, back in the pre-iloader0.1 days
08:26 < user890104> so, i restored the osbk, how do i launch the uninstaller?
08:26 < TheSeven> remove the iloader folder and reboot
08:27 < user890104> will it work too if i use "uninst" from the fallback menu without removing that folder
08:31 < user890104> i guess not, i forgot that the uninstaller is actually an embios app, not a firmware image
08:34 < TheSeven> that should actually work
08:34 < TheSeven> hm, not from the fallback menu, but if a theme would launch it, it should work
08:38 < user890104> the whole idea was to test the rockbox loader, thanks for help
08:39 < user890104> i could make an iloader theme if i have some time
08:39 < TheSeven> if you just want to test that, you can directly boot it from ram via embios
08:40 < user890104> boot the ipodx image with execfirmware?
08:41 < TheSeven> no, the bin one
08:45 < user890104> where do i find it
08:45 < user890104> i found only ipodx here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/
08:49 < TheSeven> you'll need to compile that
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14:21 < gabriele> My Embios 1.2 r206 says: the ftl seems to be damanged.. then scannig starts and when finished *panic* division by zero appears.. what can I do?
14:41 < Farthen> ah, that error again
14:41 < gabriele> ideas?
14:42 < Farthen> you need to install some tools and drivers to fix that
14:42 < Farthen> which operating system are you using?
14:43 < gabriele> xp pro
14:43 < Farthen> you need to install python 2.6, pyusb and a libusb driver for embios
14:45 < Farthen> python 2.7 will do it too. so please download http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7/python-2.7.msi
14:45 < Farthen> and install it
14:45 < gabriele> ok, I'm doing..
14:46 < Farthen> then download http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/Windows%20Driver.zip
14:47 < Farthen> plug your ipod in and it will search for a driver. point it to the extracted windows driver directory from the zip file
14:51 < gabriele> ok, python 2.7 installed and usb driver too..
14:51 < Farthen> ok, download pyusb and install it: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyusb/files/PyUSB%200.x/0.4.3/pyusb-0.4.3.win32-py2.6.exe/download
14:54 < gabriele> it asks me python 2.6.. but i've 2.7 installed..
14:54 < Farthen> does it really... oh i'm sorry
14:55 < Farthen> ok, can you uninstall python 2.7 and install this one? http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.6/python-2.6.6.msi
14:55 < gabriele> sure..
14:55 < TheSeven> wait a second
14:55 < TheSeven> that division by zero was fixed some time ago
14:56 < TheSeven> see the changelog
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14:56 < TheSeven> and iirc python 2.7 should work
14:57 < TheSeven> and why on earth are you recommending pyusb 0.4.3?
14:57 < TheSeven> libembios isn't compatible with that
14:58 < Farthen> because i thought it was... sorry
15:05 < gabriele> I've seen the changelog.. and I'd like to install embios 0.1.3 .. but How can I do??
15:12 < TheSeven> - python 2.6 or newer
15:12 < TheSeven> - pyusb 1.0.0alpha
15:13 < Farthen> well, had to go for a short time, sorry
15:13 < TheSeven> - http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/installer-nano2g-beta-r229.bin
15:13 < TheSeven> - http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/Windows%20Driver.zip
15:13 < Farthen> gabriele: so yeah, you installed the driver and python, right?
15:14 < gabriele> yes
15:14 < Farthen> can you please download an extract http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyusb/files/PyUSB%201.0/1.0.0-alpha-0/pyusb-1.0.0-a0.zip/download ?
15:14 < Farthen> *and
15:15 < gabriele> done
15:15 < Farthen> then open a cmd window and go to that directory
15:15 < gabriele> ok
15:15 < Farthen> and type python setup.py install
15:17 < gabriele> ok
15:17 < Farthen> good. now please download http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/embios.py and http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/libembios.py
15:18 < Farthen> and http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/installer-nano2g-beta-r229.bin
15:18 < Farthen> all in the same directory
15:18 < TheSeven> Farthen: libembiosdata?
15:18 < Farthen> yeah right. you also need http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/libembiosdata.py
15:19 < gabriele> done
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15:19 < Farthen> ok, please open a command line window in that location and type "python embios.py uploadfile 08000000 installer-nano2g-beta-r229.bin"
15:20 < Farthen> you need to have your ipod plugged in for that of course
15:21 < gabriele> ok, "writing file...... 0x80000000..done" 
15:21 < Farthen> great
15:21 < Farthen> now type "python embios.py execfirmware 08000000"
15:22 < Farthen> you ipod should fix the ftl, then install the new iloader version
15:22 < Farthen> *your
15:24 < gabriele> Do I need to reboot?? because another *panic* error .. "FTL: scheduling bank 3 blocks 391 for remap!" appears..
15:25 < Farthen> TheSeven: any idea?
15:25 < TheSeven> hardware trouble
15:25 < TheSeven> might actually be a bad block
15:26 < TheSeven> possibly the reason for the unclean unmount in the first place?
15:26 < TheSeven> gabriele: how did all the trouble start?
15:29 < gabriele> After the first update to embios 1.2.. your prerelease before and then final 1.2 release (one month ago).. Closing and restarting rockbox ftl scanning appared.. 
15:29 < Farthen> how did you shutdown rockbox?
15:29 < Farthen> did you press play for a long time or did you use menu+reset?
15:29 < Farthen> *menu+select of course
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15:31 < gabriele> I'm not he only one that use this one.. so could be.. 
15:33 < Farthen> please never shutdown rockbox with menu+select. it often causes troubles. it is like shutting your computer down by cutting the power off
15:34 < gabriele> ok.
15:34 < TheSeven> and there was no rockbox panic or something similar before the ftl problems started?
15:35 < gabriele> One time.. than i've changed rockbox version and for few days all woked fine.
15:36 < Farthen> you don't remember the panic message, do you?
15:37 < gabriele> No, I'm sorry.. but my first ideas was something about filesystem corruption.. as TheSevend said..
15:42 < TheSeven> gabriele: *panic* FTL: <whatever>?
15:42 < TheSeven> could be something like "I/O error" or "remapping block ..."
15:43 < gabriele> "scheduling bank 3 block 391 for remap!"
15:44 < TheSeven> did rockbox or embios say that?
15:44 < gabriele> embios.. rockbox is not already started.. 
16:00 < TheSeven> i meant the last time it was booted
16:05 < gabriele> The only messaget that I remeber was from embios.. probably "remapping block ..."
16:05 < TheSeven> ok
16:06 < TheSeven> then it's not what i thought
16:06 < TheSeven> your best bet is probably to boot disk mode and hope that it's able to fix the problem
16:09 < gabriele> select +  menu and then select + play?
16:26 < gabriele> I've asked because when I reset with "select + menu" embios starts immediatly and the sencond combinations doen't work.. there is another wait to go to boot disk mode?
16:26 < gabriele> "no wait" by "way"
16:41 < Farthen> you boot the disk mode with iloader. so where is the problem?
16:42 < TheSeven> nandfsck panics, that's the problem
16:44 < gabriele> Farthen: how?
16:45 < Farthen> ask TheSeven. he programmed this stuff :-P
16:46 < TheSeven> hm, upload diskflsh.bin :)
16:51 < TheSeven> this is getting tricky
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16:53 < gabriele_> sorry my connection was down.. the problem was nandfsck?? 
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16:53 < Farthen> gabriele_: the problem is that nandfsck blocks you running disk mode
16:54 < Farthen> because it bails out before
16:54 < Farthen> you could try uploading norboot (the apple bootloader) and it may fix your ftl
16:54 < Farthen> wait a sec, let me see if i can find a norboot image
17:00 < gabriele_> I fear that nandfsck blocks the usb connection with embios.py too..
17:01 < Farthen> you already ran some usb commands
17:01 < Farthen> so it should still work
17:02 < Farthen> the last chance would still be activating the hold switch directly after reset to boot the failsafe-ibugger
17:02 < TheSeven> damn
17:02 < TheSeven> norboot through embios won't work either
17:02 < TheSeven> we can't overwrite the sram
17:02 < Farthen> what about ibugger loader?
17:03 < Farthen> the failsafe-thing in the bootloader?
17:03 < TheSeven> ibugger loader from sdram could work
17:03 < TheSeven> embios loader won't
17:03 < TheSeven> but dfu should work, with the norboot-orig.dfu file
17:03 < TheSeven> we could try softdfu
17:04 < gabriele_> softdfu?
17:05 < Farthen> we need a way to enter the failsafe option in the bootrom - dfu mode
17:07 < Farthen> can you reset your ipod and activate the hold switch immediately afterwards?
17:07 < Farthen> you have like < 1 second
17:08 < Farthen> just try it until you see that ibugger boots up
17:08 < gabriele_> done.. embios don't start nhe display seems off ..
17:09 < Farthen> ok
17:09 < TheSeven> wtf?
17:09 < TheSeven> that was too early
17:10 < TheSeven> Farthen: what the hell are you planning to do?
17:10 < TheSeven> just run embios writebootflash whatever
17:11 < Farthen> if that works... fine
17:12 < Farthen> you can reset your ipod again then
17:13 < gabriele_> embios loader 0.1.1 started
17:13 < gabriele_> entered recovery mode
17:13 < gabriele_> connected via usb
17:14 < gabriele_> xp asks me a driver
17:14 < Farthen> just reset it again
17:14 < Farthen> to let it run into nandfsck again
17:15 < gabriele_> done .. 
17:16 < Farthen> go to your console and type: "embios uploadint 08000000 FF"
17:17 < gabriele_> "python embios.py uploadint 08000000 FF" intend?
17:17 < Farthen> yeah
17:18 < Farthen> sorry, that was what i meant
17:18 < gabriele_> No emBios device found.. I've the driver installation on the screen..
17:19 < Farthen> select the driver again you downloaded before
17:20 < gabriele_> the driver in now installed.. but the command does't work.. "No embios device found" 
17:20 < Farthen> what does your screen say?
17:21 < Farthen> i mean the ipod screen
17:22 < gabriele_> emBioS 0.1.2 r206 - and the error panic FTL: etc.
17:22 < Farthen> hmm, about one hour ago it seemed to work
17:22 < Farthen> or did your screen show something else then?
17:23 < gabriele_> is the same error after the panic per division by ZERO..
17:24 < gabriele_> the problem is on the usb connection now.. 
17:24 < Farthen> do you use the same port as before?
17:24 < gabriele_> yes
17:24 < Farthen> try to plug it into a different port or something like that. sometimes windows is weird
17:28 < gabriele_> i've tried with another port.. reset.. hold on in less than 1sec.. recovery mode.. load the driver.. reset again.. start the embios command.. but nothing
17:28 < Farthen> hmm
17:29 < gabriele_> No EmBios found
17:29 < Farthen> do you have any idea why it used to work and now it does not?
17:30 < TheSeven> how did you manage to upload and run the embios file earler?
17:30 < gabriele_> The previous error (division by zero) appared after the scan.. and now appears less 2 sec after the reset.. 
17:31 < Farthen> ok, we need to use the recovery mode then
17:32 < gabriele_> do you prefer I try to restart win before? 
17:33 < Farthen> that does not help
17:33 < TheSeven> so both versions fail before usb is up and running?
17:34 < Farthen> TheSeven: he did not use the recovery mode with the right script. doesn't he have to use embiosldr.py?
17:34 * TheSeven is totally confused
17:35 < TheSeven> now what works and what doesn't?
17:35 < TheSeven> is there a way to get embios running with usb access?
17:35 < Farthen> nope. only the loader
17:36 < Farthen> so we have to use your norboot corrupter program
17:36 < Farthen> gabriele_: can you go into recovery mode again?
17:37 < gabriele_> done. I'm in.
17:37 < TheSeven> how did he manage to start the newer embios version earlier?
17:37 < Farthen> then download http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/embiosldr.py and http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/libembiosldr.py
17:37 < Farthen> TheSeven: because the division by zero error behaved different than this one
17:38 < TheSeven> than which one?
17:38 < Farthen> *panic* error .. "FTL: scheduling bank 3 blocks 391 for remap!"
17:40 < TheSeven> this is turning up with the flashed embios version now?
17:41 < gabriele_> Now I'm in: emBIOS Loader v0.1.1 r206
17:41 < Farthen> TheSeven: yes
17:41 < gabriele_> entered recovery mode
17:41 < gabriele_> connected via usb
17:41 < TheSeven> r206 complains about the bad block? during the scan?
17:41 < Farthen> TheSeven: yes!
17:43 * TheSeven wonders if we should just try to wipe...
17:45 < Farthen> TheSeven: if we had a running embios...
17:45 < TheSeven> Farthen: can you make one?
17:45 < TheSeven> just make ftl_restore() or how it's called return without doing anything
17:45 < Farthen> one without nandfsck?
17:46 < Farthen> gabriele_: wait a second please
17:46 < TheSeven> this will make the post-repair mount fail, and should go to the iloader "no theme found" menu
17:47 < TheSeven> we should have a working usb monitor then, which can be booted through recovery mode
17:47 < Farthen> ok, i will compile a custom embios
17:48 < TheSeven> we can then try running disk mode, and if things still fail just wipe
18:11 < Farthen> gabriele_: are you still there?
18:11 < gabriele_> sure
18:11 < Farthen> ok, i prepared an embios image that might work
18:12 < Farthen> please download http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/embios-failsafe-iloader.bin
18:12 < gabriele_> ok
18:12 < Farthen> you did already download the two python scripts embiosldr.py and libembiosldr.py?
18:12 < gabriele_> yes
18:13 < Farthen> ok, then do "python embiosldr.py upload 08000000 embios-failsafe-iloader.bin"
18:14 < gabriele_> sorry.. I'm always in recovery mode
18:14 < Farthen> that's right
18:14 < Farthen> you should do this from recovery mode
18:14 < gabriele_> done
18:15 < Farthen> fine. now do "python embiosldr.py execute 0x08000000 0x0a000000"
18:15 < gabriele_> done
18:15 < Farthen> it *should* boot iloader into recovery mode now
18:15 < Farthen> what do you see on the screen?
18:16 < gabriele_> embios v0.1.3 r238M
18:16 < gabriele_> and always the same error 
18:16 < Farthen> hmm, i'm wondering what i did wrong
18:17 < Farthen> so it said "The FTL seems to be damaged. Forcing check."
18:17 < Farthen> ?
18:18 < gabriele_> No, *panic* FTL: scheduling.. etc
18:26 < Farthen> gabriele_: try http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/embios-failsafe-iloader.bin
18:27 < Farthen> i updated it
18:27 < Farthen> just doing "python embiosldr.py run embios-failsafe-iloader.bin" should do the trick
18:30 < gabriele_> nothing .. alwasy the same error.. is always r238M the release?..
18:30 < Farthen> yep
18:57 < Farthen> gabriele_: can you try it again? i updated the file
18:57 < gabriele_> ok
18:57 < gabriele_> ok!!
18:57 < gabriele_> and now?
18:58 < Farthen> you are in the iloader menu now?
18:58 < gabriele_> yes
18:58 < Farthen> run disk mode
18:59 < gabriele_> ok.. i'n in
19:00 < Farthen> ok, now reset your ipod
19:00 < Farthen> it should be fixed now
19:00 < Farthen> at least i hope so
19:00 < gabriele_> xp ask me to format the disk.. is normal??
19:01 < TheSeven> hm, apparently disk mode wiped it
19:01 < TheSeven> i hope you didn't have anything important on it
19:01 < TheSeven> now run the installer
19:01 < TheSeven> if it asks you if you want to reformat it, choose yes
19:01 < TheSeven> it's better to let the installer do that
19:02 < gabriele_> ipodpatcher etc?
19:03 < Farthen> nope. run the installer as we said above
19:03 < Farthen> python embios.py uploadfile 08000000 installer-nano2g-beta-r229.bin
19:03 < gabriele_> with embios.py ?
19:03 < Farthen> python embios.py execfirmware 08000000
19:05 < gabriele_> ok.. now I try to reinstall rockbox
19:06 < Farthen> sorry that it took so long. this was actually the first time this happened
19:06 < gabriele_> No problem.. You're great guys. Thank you so much..  
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