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07:45 < plz-help-me> hello
07:47 < plz-help-me> i am requesting a Notes-based installer of iloader
07:58 < user890104> you couldn't install it with ipodpatcher?
08:06 < TheSeven> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/installer-nano2g.bootnote IIRC
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08:14 < TheSeven> the is the latest released version of iloader, and rockbox 3.7 (not 3.7.1)
08:14 < TheSeven> but updating rockbox afterwards should be trivial
08:31 < plz-help-me> how do i install it?
08:32 < user890104> copy it to your ipod's notes folder
08:32 < plz-help-me> ok
08:32 < user890104> then eject it safely
08:32 < plz-help-me> thx!
08:33 < user890104> the instalation should start after two series of short beeps
08:33 < plz-help-me> i already have rockbox installed. do i have to uninstall it?
08:33 < user890104> no
08:33 < plz-help-me> ok
08:33 < user890104> it should detect it and install only iloader
08:33 < plz-help-me> thankyou again!
08:34 < plz-help-me> whats the difference between iloader and rockbox
08:34 < plz-help-me> ?
08:35 < user890104> rockbox is the firmware that your player will use, it contains applications and games for example
08:35 < user890104> iloader is responsible for loading rockbox or the original firmware
08:36 < plz-help-me> i was in the apple firmware. does this make any diff
08:36 < plz-help-me> ?
08:36 < user890104> you can use rockbox with its own loader, but iloader is more flexible
08:37 < plz-help-me> it installed correcty
08:37 < user890104> after you install iloader, it will be started as soon as you restart your ipod
08:37 < plz-help-me> correctly
08:37 < user890104> then you have to select which firmware do you want to use
08:37 < plz-help-me> its showing the boot menu
08:37 < plz-help-me> whats the weird e
08:37 < user890104> you don't need it for now
08:37 < user890104> it is used for debugging
08:37 < plz-help-me> but what is it?
08:38 < plz-help-me> oh ok
08:38 < user890104> a developer console
08:38 < plz-help-me> everytime my screen turns off it shows a white screen when i turn it on and says embois and some other stuff
08:38 < plz-help-me> is this ok
08:38 < plz-help-me> ?
08:38 < user890104> yes
08:39 < user890104> it shows for about a second, maybe less
08:39 < plz-help-me> kool :D thanks for the help!
08:39 < plz-help-me> how do i boot into apple firmware
08:39 < user890104> now you should update rockbox to 3.7.1
08:39 < user890104> you can boot it by pressing Left in the boot menu
08:39 < plz-help-me> using the rockbox utility?
08:39 < user890104> yes
08:40 < user890104> you can update it manually, too
08:40 < user890104> but the rbutil way is more easier
08:40 < plz-help-me> when i clicked left, it booted into rockbox. how do i get back to the boot menu
08:41 < user890104> first, shut down rockbox by holding Play until it says Shutting down
08:41 < plz-help-me> ok
08:41 < user890104> or it may shut down without displaying this message
08:41 < plz-help-me> yeah
08:41 < plz-help-me> and
08:41 < user890104> then press any key to power on your ipod
08:41 < user890104> then press Left at the menu
08:41 < plz-help-me> thanks its showing the menu
08:42 < user890104> and the apple firmware should boot
08:42 < plz-help-me> is there a way to auto boot into the applefirmware?
08:42 < user890104> if you modify the theme, yes
08:42 < plz-help-me> and have to press something to bring up the menu
08:42 < plz-help-me> how?
08:42 < plz-help-me> im not a developer or anything
08:43 < user890104> i don't know for sure, but it should be possible
08:43 < user890104> did you successfully boot apple firmware?
08:43 < plz-help-me> no
08:44 < plz-help-me> it went straight to rockbox
08:44 < plz-help-me> the iloader menu showed the apple sign, but then it booted into rb
08:45 < plz-help-me> the rockbox and options thingo works
08:46 < user890104> can you run ipodpatcher with your ipod connected in disk mode
08:46 < plz-help-me> what is supposed to happen when i click the select/center button?
08:46 < user890104> then choose "u" for uninstall
08:46 < user890104> clicking center should start disk mode
08:46 < user890104> that's where you want to go before running ipodpatcher
08:46 < plz-help-me> how do i run ipodpatcher?
08:47 < plz-help-me> i dont have admin, remember
08:47 < user890104> you're on a mac, right?
08:47 < plz-help-me> ye
08:47 < plz-help-me> using a vm for this chat
08:47 < plz-help-me> windows xp
08:47 < plz-help-me> but i can switch to mac
08:47 < plz-help-me> yea
08:48 < user890104> can you open a terminal and enter: sudo -i
08:48 < plz-help-me> also have win 7
08:48 < user890104> then it will prompt you for your password
08:48 < plz-help-me> sudo is a admin command
08:48 < plz-help-me> im not admin
08:48 < user890104> you mean your account is limited, i got it
08:48 < plz-help-me> yea
08:49 < plz-help-me> anyway icould do it thru xp or 7
08:49 < plz-help-me> ?
08:49 < user890104> ok, download ipodpatcher for windows then
08:49 < plz-help-me> k
08:49 < plz-help-me> from iloader site?
08:51 < plz-help-me> downloaded
08:51 < plz-help-me> now what
08:51 < user890104> now connect your ipod to windows
08:51 < user890104> then push Center from the boot menu
08:51 < user890104> and it should display as a removable storage
08:52 < TheSeven> what are you trying to do with ipodpatcher?
08:52 < user890104> TheSeven: the version he installed did a backup of rockbox's loader to appleos.bin
08:53 < TheSeven> uh, funny
08:53 < TheSeven> one shouldn't use noteboot if there's a rockbox bootloader installed
08:54 < TheSeven> did he remove the firmware partition?
08:54 < TheSeven> if yes, he'll need to restore using itunes
08:54 < TheSeven> (and then run the bootnote installer again)
08:54 < user890104> i didn't know that, i thought it is the fixed version that detects osos/osbk
08:55 < TheSeven> it detects that based on the fact how it is run
08:55 < user890104> will it work by restoring osbk with ipodpatcher, then replacing appleos.bin?
08:55 < TheSeven> if he didn't remove the firmware partition, uninstall the rockbox bootloader using ipodpatcher, delete the iloader folder, uninstall iloader, boot the apple firmware, and run the bootnote again
09:01 < plz-help-me> whats goin on?
09:01 < plz-help-me> what do i do
09:03 < user890104> what did you select when the installer asked you to remove the firmware partition and save ~100MB of unused space?
09:03 < plz-help-me> no
09:03 < plz-help-me> i selected no
09:04 < TheSeven> ok
09:04 < user890104> ok, you're fine then
09:04 < user890104> no need to restore with itunes
09:04 < plz-help-me> so what do i do now
09:04 < plz-help-me> i want to start
09:04 < user890104> did you connected your ipod to windows xp
09:04 < TheSeven> uninstall both the rockbox bootloader and iloader (in arbitrary order)
09:04 < TheSeven> then reinstall iloader again
09:06 < plz-help-me> yes to user890104, and theseven: ok
09:06 < plz-help-me> i cant uninstall the rockbox bootloader.
09:06 < user890104> what does it say?
09:06 < TheSeven> he didn't have admin privileges, right? :)
09:07 < TheSeven> hm, your only choice is to steal the appleos.bin file from another ipod then
09:07 < user890104> plz-help-me: can you access the files on your ipod from windows
09:07 < user890104> after you connected it
09:08 < user890104> did it show up in my computer?
09:08 < plz-help-me> i can erase the ipod using disk utility on a mac, restore in itunes and install rockbox or iloader or whatever
09:08 < plz-help-me> i kan access the files
09:08 < user890104> is there a iloader folder in it?
09:09 < plz-help-me> yes
09:09 < user890104> and an AppleOS.bin inside?
09:09 < plz-help-me> i hav to go soon
09:09 < plz-help-me> yes
09:09 < user890104> ok, so you need to replace that appleos.bin with the file that i will PM you
09:10 < plz-help-me> and iloader.cfg, NORFlash.bak, and theme folder
09:10 < plz-help-me> ok
09:10 < user890104> the other files are fine
09:10 < plz-help-me> ok
09:10 < user890104> you need to replace only appleos.bin
09:10 < plz-help-me> yes
09:10 < user890104> then eject your ipod
09:10 < plz-help-me> are u sending me a link?
09:10 < user890104> yes, did you got it?
09:11 < plz-help-me> where is it?
09:11 < plz-help-me> in the wiki?
09:11 < plz-help-me> here?
09:11 < plz-help-me>  its not here
09:11 < user890104> no, here
09:14 < plz-help-me> i have until 8:30 to chat
09:14 < plz-help-me> r u guys in the us?
09:14 < plz-help-me> also do u hav macs?
09:15 < user890104> plz-help-me: did you get the link this time?
09:16 < plz-help-me> no
09:16 < user890104> if not, i can email it to you
09:16 < user890104> because the file is copyrighted by apple
09:16 < user890104> and should not be posted in public
09:17 < user890104> but since you have an ipod, you are allowed to have it
09:17 < plz-help-me> hm
09:17 < plz-help-me> r u in the us
09:17 < user890104> no
09:17 < plz-help-me> oz?
09:18 < plz-help-me> australia
09:18 < plz-help-me> ?
09:19 < user890104> europe actually, but what does that matter?
09:19 < user890104> if you want to boot apple's firmware on your device, you either need to replace that file, or restore using itunes, uninstall iloader, then use the bootnote again
09:20 < user890104> uninstalling iloader is as easy as selecting Uninstall from the fallback menu after you restore with itunes
09:20 < plz-help-me> i cant give you my email ill make a gmail. hang on
09:20 < plz-help-me> i will restore
09:21 < plz-help-me> ok not making gmail
09:25 < plz-help-me> iloader doesn't do much except making it a bit faster
09:25 < plz-help-me> ill just go back to rockbox
09:25 < plz-help-me> i have to go now
09:26 < plz-help-me> ill be back tomorrow if i have any prblems.
09:26 < plz-help-me> thank you user890104 and theseven very much
09:27 < plz-help-me> bye
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13:19 < mark__> hello
13:19 < mark__> i have a problem can you help me??
13:20 < mark__> hi
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13:34 < mark__> Hello everyone I have a problem with my nano 2g I tried to upgrade the iloader and now no longer loads the theme, now loads the text menu with several options but you can not uninstall and writes up "iLoader - no config file "but I've already added the theme, I think that maybe you did not install the upgrade and I still want the theme on the site iloader 0.1.1 but is no longer, I do not know how to do 
13:34 < mark__> Hello everyone I have a problem with my nano 2g I tried to upgrade the iloader and now no longer loads the theme, now loads the text menu with several options but you can not uninstall and writes up "iLoader - no config file "but I've already added the theme, I think that maybe you did not install the upgrade and I still want the theme on the site iloader 0.1.1 but is no longer, I do not know how to do 
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13:42 < benedikt93|AFK> the iloader 0.1.x site is still mirrored, let me dig up the link
13:43 < mark__> ok thank you!!!
13:43 < TheSeven> http://theseven.lima-city.de/ipod/iloader
13:43 < mark__> i try!!!
13:44 < TheSeven> seems to be down though :/
13:44 < mark__> yes is down :(
13:44 < TheSeven> so you're looking for the 0.1.1 theme?
13:45 < mark__> can you gime me a 0.1.1 theme?
13:45 < TheSeven> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/themes/iloader-theme-default-0.1.1.zip
13:46 < TheSeven> the old downloads (but not the old web site) are also on the new server
13:46 < TheSeven> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/themes/iloader-theme-default-0.1.2.zip
13:46 < TheSeven> one of those should work, depending on your iloader version
13:47 < mark__> i try thank you!!
13:50 < mark__> it works! I love you! because they were two days that drive me crazy! 
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15:20 < mark__> thank you to everybody it works bye
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21:01 < plz-help-me> is user890104 online?
21:02 < plz-help-me> i have uninstalled ikloader
21:02 < plz-help-me> iloader
21:02 < plz-help-me> am going to reinstall now
21:02 < user890104> ok, go ahead reinstalling
21:02 < user890104> do you need instructions?
21:03 < user890104> if you did itunes restore + uninstall from the balck and white iloader fallback menu, you should be fine in installing with the Notes file
21:03 < user890104> black*
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21:13 < plz-help-me> am just syncing music library to ipod then reinstalling iloader
21:13 < plz-help-me> do i have to keep the ipod plugged in while iloader installs?
21:13 < TheSeven> no
21:14 < user890104> actually, if you're planning to use rockbox, you don't need to upload your music with itunes
21:14 < plz-help-me> but i prefer to have the music available to the apple firmware as well
21:15 < user890104> well, then the best choice is to use itunes
21:15 < user890104> if you have any issues with the install or after that, let us know
21:15 < plz-help-me> yep
21:17 < plz-help-me> so the notes installer puts rockbox and iloader
21:17 < plz-help-me> ?
21:18 < TheSeven> yes
21:18 < plz-help-me> gotta go
21:18 < plz-help-me> thanks for all your help!
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21:21 < yuriks_> SQL is the most frustrating language ever invented
22:21 < TheSeven> why?
22:22  * TheSeven shoves yuriks_ to #freemyipod-chatter :)
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