--- Log opened Fri Jan 14 00:00:38 2011
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11:10 < Jackal_> hello all.  I seem to have had a problem during iloader install and i think i might have bricked my ipod but im not sure.
11:10 < Jackal_> is there someone that might be able to offer some advice awake?
11:10 < [7]> what exactly did you do? and how exactly did it react?
11:12 < Jackal_> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation  i was following this tutorial, i have a classic 2g 120gb. everything was going fine until the installer got to the point where it was flashing, and now my ipod's screen is blank white and does not respond to menu+select
11:12 < [7]> oops
11:13 < [7]> the "screen going white" bug is a known bug that is a bit hard to reproduce, but the hold switch should work nevertheless
11:13 < [7]> and also the click wheel reset combo
11:13 < [7]> if the click wheel is locked up for some reason, try locking the hold switch, waiting a few seconds, unlocking it again, and then holding menu+select for 5 to 10 seconds
11:14 < [7]> if this still doesn't work, just disconnect it from usb and let the battery run down. i would expect it to boot up normally after that.
11:16 < Jackal_> well, i had it disconnected after the loader's install screen loaded up like the guide said, and then went through the on-screen install prompt.  i had tried the hold switch but still no response when i do reset combo.   how long does a device typically take to run dead?
11:16 < [7]> is the hard drive still spinning?
11:17 < Jackal_> i do believe so. pressing the back against my ear i hear a high pitched tone
11:17 < [7]> i'd expect it to last for about 3 to 5 hours in that case if it was fully charged before
11:18 < Jackal_> alright.  ill let it run dead and try to power it up
11:18  * [7] has never seen that kind of reset problem before on an ipod classic
11:19 < [7]> it sometimes didn't reset "easily", but the lock hold - wait - unlock hold - reset sequence has always worked for me so far
11:19 < Jackal_> well i guess it had to happen to somebody
11:19 < Jackal_> lol
11:20 < [7]> it's known that one can prevent resetting on the 4th generation ipod nano - but that's the only platform i've seen that on so far
11:24 < Jackal_> hm. im just hoping i didnt brick it. you said it was rare that this happens?
11:24 < [7]> you can certainly do hardware damage to an ipod classic, but to my knowledge you can't brick them by flashing bad code
11:25 < [7]> you should always be able to enter DFU and fix the rest from there
11:26 < Jackal_> cool
11:26 < Jackal_> how would i restore the apple firmware in dfu?
11:27 < Jackal_> through itunes like normal?
11:27 < [7]> no, that will probably fail
11:27 < [7]> you'll need to do a regular iloader uninstallation, and then an itunes restore
11:27 < Jackal_> okay
11:28 < [7]> but even if the regular uninstall doesn't work any more, i'm sure one can build a trivial tool that does the neccessary operations directly through dfu
11:28 < Jackal_> alright
11:28 < Jackal_> would there be any reason that it wouldnt be able to enter dfu or try to boot up?  im just trying to have all my bases covered before i go to bed and let it drain
11:29 < [7]> i'm not from apple or samsung, so a can't give you a definitive answer on that - but at least oi don't know of any reason why it should refuse to enter DFU after a cold reboot
11:30 < Jackal_> alright 
11:31 < Jackal_> thanks a lot dude. you really helped a lot
11:31 < Jackal_> im gonna go to bed and let this drain. thanks for the help :)
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12:02 < Rustyp1981> hello, Is the 7 around//
12:02 < Rustyp1981> ??
12:03 < Rustyp1981> i was working through some isssues with my 2g last night 
12:03 < Rustyp1981> but have lost the log
12:03 < Rustyp1981> ;(
12:08 < Rustyp1981> ah ha
12:08 < Rustyp1981> http://pastie.org/1459681
12:08 < Rustyp1981> that's where we got to last night
12:09 < Rustyp1981> this morning i plug the ipod into the laptop and low and behold it booted into a white screen with emBIOS v0.1.4 r392M
12:10 < Rustyp1981> I dare not touch it now until someone on here advises me what to do next :)
12:17 < user890104> Rustyp1981: hello, can you boot recovery mode, then upload an embios binary with embiosldr.py?
12:20 < Rustyp1981> i'm not sure if i dear reboot, last time i did the ipod froze and wouldn't turn back on
12:20 < Rustyp1981> ATM i can see the ipod in device manager 
12:21 < Rustyp1981> but when i type import usb.core in python it says no device found
12:21 < Rustyp1981> sorry
12:21 < Rustyp1981> it says no module named usb core
12:22 < user890104> then you don't have a working libusb/pyusb setup
12:22 < user890104> you need to setup that first
12:23 < Rustyp1981> ok i'll do that now
12:23 < user890104> Farthen has more knowledge on this topic than me
12:23 < user890104> because he wrote the python tools
12:24 < user890104> i think there were some instructions somewhere on the wiki
12:25 < user890104> what does "python -V" say? (type it in a console without the quotes)
12:25 < Rustyp1981> setup.py install ?
12:27 < Rustyp1981> ok
12:27 < Rustyp1981> i've set it up
12:27 < Rustyp1981> and when i type usb.core.find(find_all=True)
12:27 < user890104> if you didn't install the pyusb package, the command you posted should install it
12:27 < Rustyp1981> it finds the device
12:27 < Rustyp1981> [<usb.core.Device object at 0x018CE250>]
12:28 < user890104> ok, so you should be able to communicate with the ipod
12:28 < Rustyp1981> ok, so what should i try first
12:28 < user890104> can you upload the most recent (r415 IIRC) embios binary?
12:28 < Rustyp1981> how do i do that?
12:29 < user890104> (let me test the commands on my nano 2g before giving them to you)
12:29 < Rustyp1981> ok :)
12:30 < user890104> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Troubleshooting
12:31 < user890104> basicly, the instructions under Getting to recovery mode and the section after that are what you should fix any iloader/embios issues
12:32 < user890104> by reinstalling iloader
12:33 < Rustyp1981> The only problem with that is that last time i rebooted the ipod it locked and wouldn't switch back on
12:33 < user890104> by rebooting you mean menu+select, or choosing Power off from iloader, and then pressing any button?
12:34 < user890104> what does it show in the screen right now?
12:34 < Rustyp1981> White screen with emBIOS v0.14 r392M
12:35 < user890104> only this, nothing else?
12:35 < Rustyp1981> only that
12:36 < user890104> and this happens just after powering on, no menu or any graphics, right?
12:36 < Rustyp1981> allthat came on the scrren before this was the apple logo
12:37 < user890104> so, you power on the ipod, an apple logo appears, then emBIOS vXXX rXXX ?
12:38 < Rustyp1981> yes
12:38 < user890104> if the apple logo appears, that means apple's bootloader is still on the ipod
12:39  * user890104 is wondering how does apple's bootloader launch emBIOS
12:39 < [7]> user890104: i'm on the run currently, but AFAICT he currently has an apple bootloader in the NOR and the installer in the firmware partition
12:39 < [7]> and apparently something locked out the reset combo yesterday, no idea what
12:39 < [7]> after letting the battery run down it booted again
12:40 < [7]> also this is a fairly new beta installer
12:40 < user890104> [7]: so we are trying to get disk mode somehow, and fix the installer in FW paerition?
12:40 < [7]> one i build after fixing the issues you were experiencing
12:40 < [7]> the installer should be alright, it's working on mine
12:40 < [7]> i have no idea what's going on with his ipod
12:41 < user890104> if apple's bootloader is there, the disk mode combo should work, right?
12:41 < user890104> before ever trying to read from the firmware partition
12:41 < [7]> if he wants to stay on the safe side, i'd suggest trying to enter disk mode (if neccessary by letting the battery run down once again and holding select+play while plugging it in), and remove the installer altogether for now (or just restore using itunes, should have the same effect)
12:42  * [7] has to leave now
12:43 < user890104> so Rustyp1981, is the ipod is plugged to the computer right now?
12:46 < user890104> if it isn't, plug it in, then hold menu+select to reset it, and as soon as the display turns off, *immediately* move your fingers to select+play and hold that until you see a "do not disconnect" message
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12:47 < user890104> after you do this, your ipod should show up as a flash drive, and itunes restore should solve your problem
12:47 < Rustyp1981> brb
12:47 < user890104> if something goes wrong, you can let the battery discharge completely, then follow [7]'s advices
12:48  * user890104 has to go away too, for about an hour
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13:08 < Rustyp1981> :-D
13:08 < Rustyp1981> All fixed
13:08 < user890104> Rustyp1981: how did you fixed it
13:08 < Rustyp1981> well, i have the Apple OS reinstalled and the Ipod is now booting properly.
13:09 < Rustyp1981> Whent into disk mode via select and menu then select + play and restored through the Ipod Through i tunes
13:09 < Rustyp1981> ;)
13:09 < Rustyp1981> :)
13:09 < user890104> are you going to try iLoader again, or you will continue using only apple's OS?
13:10 < Rustyp1981> Idealy i wouldlike to dual boot with rockbox using iLoader
13:10 < user890104> you can also install rockbox + rockbox's bootloader, if you're having troubles with iLoader
13:11 < user890104> rockbox utility is the best way to do this
13:11 < Rustyp1981> Hmmmm...But i like the fact that iLoader has the extra tools like being able to go into USB mode by pressing select at the menu
13:12 < Rustyp1981> rather than just being able to boot into either OS using the hold switch
13:12 < user890104> you can launch disk mode by holding select+play dirung the apple logo just like you did in order to restore it
13:12 < user890104> during*
13:13 < Rustyp1981> I guess, iloader just makes it easier/better.
13:13 < Rustyp1981> but maybe i should quit while i'm ahead lol
13:14 < user890104> i suggest trying rockbox's loader/installer
13:14 < user890104> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility#Download
13:14 < user890104> then install rockbox and the bootloader
13:14 < Rustyp1981> yep,i already had my ipod dual booted using rockboxs b/lwhen i came across iLoader
13:15 < user890104> if you would like, i can give you the most recent iloader build, that i have installed on my ipod
13:16 < user890104> i beliee that the problems you've had are fixed in it
13:16 < Rustyp1981> ok,i guess if it all goes tits again, i can just restore again
13:16 < user890104> believe*
13:16 < user890104> yes, and if it goes even worse for a reason, you can use DFU mode to recover
13:16 < Rustyp1981> should i install rock box before or after iLoader
13:17 < user890104> you should have it installed before iloader
13:17 < user890104> so iloader can boot into it after it's installed
13:17 < Rustyp1981> ok, i'll instllrock box now
13:18 < Rustyp1981> iguess i just use the installer but choose not to install the boot loader?
13:21 < user890104> yes, exactly
13:21 < user890104> then i'll prepare an installer for you
13:22 < user890104> which uses the most recent source code of iloader
13:22 < user890104> (and test it on my device before sending, of course)
13:22 < user890104> rev. 421 is the most recent as of now
13:23 < user890104> and i have a pre-built installer, just want to test in once again, and i'll give you a link to download it
13:27 < Rustyp1981> ok
13:27 < Rustyp1981> i have rockbox installed minusthe bootloader
13:27 < Rustyp1981> :)
13:29 < user890104> ok, just installed iloader on my device so the installer looks good
13:29 < user890104> do you have ipodpatcher?
13:31 < Rustyp1981> yep
13:32 < user890104> so, get this file: http://212.233.239.19:8989/~venci/freemyipod/iloader/installer-nano2g.ipodx
13:33 < user890104> and run it like that: ipodpatcher -a installer-nano2g.ipodx
13:33 < user890104> while your ipod is connected
13:33 < user890104> after safely disconnecting, the installer should start
13:34 < user890104> i usually skip the repartitioning part, because this minimizes the risk of corrupting the data (music, etc)
13:35 < Rustyp1981> :(
13:35 < user890104> i've changed the color a bit, so console's background is black and the text is white, so don't be surprised
13:35 < Rustyp1981> got the apple logo
13:36 < Rustyp1981> now the black screen with the white writing
13:36 < user890104> right after the apple logo, the installer should start
13:36 < Rustyp1981> it's hanging on the black screen with white writing
13:36 < user890104> like the previous time? emBIOS v0.1.4 r421M ?
13:36 < Rustyp1981> yep
13:37 < user890104> damn it..
13:37 < user890104> enter disk mode like you did before, but instead of restoring, enter the following command:
13:38 < user890104> ipodpatcher -d
13:38 < user890104> this should get you apple OS back and remove the installer
13:38 < user890104> then eject and let it reboot
13:39 < Rustyp1981> nope back to the black screen
13:39 < Rustyp1981> :9
13:39 < user890104> does it reset with menu+select?
13:39 < Rustyp1981> yes
13:40 < Rustyp1981> and i can still get into disk mode
13:40 < user890104> and you run ipodpatcher -d, what did it say?
13:40 < user890104> can you paste the whole output to pastebin.org
13:40 < Rustyp1981> no output
13:41 < Rustyp1981> just opened another cmd window and closed it stright away
13:41 < user890104> what operating system are you running on the computer?
13:42 < Rustyp1981> windoze 7 :(
13:42 < Rustyp1981> i have xp dual booted
13:42 < user890104> open the start menu, type cmd then press ctrl+shift+enter
13:42 < user890104> to start an Administratie mode console
13:42 < user890104> and try from it
13:42 < user890104> administrative*
13:43 < user890104> you should see something like that: http://pastie.org/pastes/1459957/text
13:43 < user890104> (except for the first line, because it was done from a linux box)
13:44 < user890104> running just the ipodpatcher exe as administrator, should give you the uninstall option
13:45 < user890104> i mean by right-clicking on it, and selecting Run as administrator
13:45 < user890104> the you press "i" to install rockbox's bootloader, or "u" to restore the apple's one
13:45 < Rustyp1981> it's saying it cant find the ipod :-s
13:45 < Rustyp1981> http://pastie.org/1459968
13:46 < user890104> if it's in disk mode and the sign above the "do not disconnect" message is flashing, the computer should detect it
13:47 < Rustyp1981> yep
13:47 < user890104> do you see the ipod in Explorer?
13:47 < Rustyp1981> i can see the ipod in my computer
13:47 < user890104> ok, so you should try the second method, without running cmd first
13:47 < user890104> [15:45:19] <user890104> i mean by right-clicking on it, and selecting Run as administrator
13:47 < user890104> [15:45:39] <user890104> the you press "i" to install rockbox's bootloader, or "u" to restore the apple's one
13:48 < user890104> this one
13:48 < Rustyp1981> same message
13:48 < Rustyp1981> cant find ipod
13:49 < user890104> then restore it with iTunes once again, and wait for TheSeven to show up
13:49 < user890104> i'm out of ideas
13:50 < Rustyp1981> shall i try restoring using i tunes,then try installin iloader as administrator/
13:50 < Rustyp1981> ?
13:51 < user890104> you should leave the iloader installation for a while, until we find out what's preventing it from running
13:51 < user890104> rockbox+rockbox bootloader should be fine
13:51 < user890104> install them using the rockbox utility
13:51 < Rustyp1981> hmmm...when i start itunes
13:51 < user890104> and check after some hours if TheSeven is around
13:52 < Rustyp1981> the ipod reboots into the black screenagain
13:52 < Rustyp1981> :9
13:52 < Rustyp1981> :(
13:52 < user890104> so you get it into disk mode, but it restarts from there?
13:52 < Rustyp1981> yes
13:53 < user890104> can you put it in disk mode again, then format the partition using explorer
13:53 < Rustyp1981> when i launch itunes
13:53 < Rustyp1981> i no loger get the apple logo when it reboots though
13:53 < user890104> eject it, then it will probably reboot, press the disk mode keys again, and then try itunes
13:53 < user890104> if you don't have the apple logo, the installer should have completed
13:54 < Rustyp1981> iget a whitescreen with some text for a split second 
13:54 < user890104> emBIOS Loader vX.X.X rXXX
13:54 < user890104> Switch HOLD on for recovery
13:54 < user890104> this text
13:54 < Rustyp1981> then the black screen wit embios loader
13:55 < user890104> the white screen is the loader itself, the black screen is embios
13:55 < user890104> the latter fails to continue for some reason
13:55 < user890104> so we can use the loader's recovery mode
13:55 < user890104> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Getting_to_Recovery_mode
13:56 < user890104> you should start with this one
13:56 < user890104> then proceed to http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Uploading_an_emBIOS_binary
13:56 < Rustyp1981> yeah i've just got into the recovery menu using the hold button
13:56 < user890104> then leave it connected with the embios message on the screen, and someone will assist you how to continue
13:57 < user890104> i think that the flash memory is corrupted, so you can erase it
13:57 < user890104> but TheSeven might have a better idea
13:57 < Rustyp1981> is there anyway i can just get it back to apple os, so i can use it for the ride to work?
13:59 < user890104> yes, if you upload an embios binary, i can send you an uninstaller
13:59 < Rustyp1981> ok
13:59 < user890104> http://212.233.239.19:8989/~venci/freemyipod/uninstaller-nano2g.embiosapp
14:00 < user890104> you can download the latest embios build from builds.freemyipod.org
14:00 < user890104> and use it for the uploading step
14:02 < Rustyp1981> i confused about how i do this
14:03 < Rustyp1981> *i'm
14:03 < user890104> if you follow the instructions in that order, it should work
14:03 < user890104> http://builds.freemyipod.org/embios/target/ipodnano2g/embios-ipodnano2g-r421.bin
14:03 < user890104> this is the binary you need
14:04 < user890104> it's not actually clear which file to download, i'm sorry
14:05 < user890104> i've fixed the instructions
14:07 < Rustyp1981> just to confirm, sorry
14:07 < Rustyp1981> i need to do this
14:07 < Rustyp1981> http://pastie.org/1460037
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14:14 < user890104> yes, exactly
14:14 < Rustyp1981> ok
14:14 < user890104> after you succeed with this one, you need to enter: embios.py run uninstaller-nano2g.embiosapp
14:15 < Rustyp1981> ok
14:15 < user890104> it will remove everything related to iLoader (except the iLoader folder on the ipod, which doesn't cause any trouble if left)
14:15 < user890104> so you can sync music with itunes and use apple's OS
14:16 < TheSeven> hm, what are you doing?
14:16 < TheSeven> was it already flashed?
14:16 < user890104> TheSeven: it did flash it and hang just before showing the menu
14:16 < TheSeven> hm, weird
14:16 < user890104> he's uninstalling now to use the player as usual
14:16 < user890104> and maybe later we could look what's wrong
14:17 < user890104> it seems that no installer/iloader graphics are displayed
14:17 < user890104> but the installer did flash it
14:17 < TheSeven> but why were there apple logos showing up?
14:18 < user890104> because the old installer didn't flash anything
14:18 < user890104> we replaced it with a more recent one, which did run somehow
14:19 < user890104> but then iloader locked up just like the previous installer in the FW partition
14:19  * TheSeven thinks that this is a strange ipod...
14:22 < Rustyp1981> :-s
14:22 < Rustyp1981> http://pastie.org/1460099
14:22 < user890104> is the file there? (embios.py)
14:22 < Rustyp1981> ahhh..i guess i need o put embios.pyin the same folder
14:22 < Rustyp1981> doh
14:24 < Rustyp1981> can i pleasehave a link to embios.py
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14:25 < Rustyp1981> it's ok i found it on the site
14:27 < user890104> yep, it must be inside the folder together with embiosdata, libembios and maybe one more file
14:28 < Rustyp1981> hmm it won't let me download the file
14:28 < Rustyp1981> from here
14:28 < Rustyp1981> http://websvn.freemyipod.org/listing.php?repname=freemyipod&path=/embios/trunk/tools/
14:36 < user890104> http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/embios.py
14:36 < user890104> http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/libembios.py
14:36 < Rustyp1981> it's ok i found them here http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools/
14:36 < user890104> ok, if something is missing, download it too
14:38 < Rustyp1981> ok, down loaded all required files
14:38 < Rustyp1981> and run the script
14:38 < Rustyp1981> now i have this
14:38 < Rustyp1981> http://pastie.org/1460156
14:40 < user890104> did it uninstall successfully?
14:42 < Rustyp1981> nope
14:42 < Rustyp1981> when i  reboot goes back to the black screen with embIOS
14:43 < user890104> TheSeven: any ideas? even the uninstaller does not run properly
14:43 < Rustyp1981> i can still getinto diskmode
14:44 < TheSeven> i have no idea what the current state is and what you have tried
14:44 < user890104> he uploaded the most recent installer with ipodpatcher
14:44 < TheSeven> most recent == SVN HEAD?
14:45 < user890104> it seems to have flashed it, but iloader locks up 
14:45 < user890104> yes, r421
14:45 < TheSeven> Rustyp1981: how can you enter disk mode?
14:45 < Rustyp1981> yes
14:45 < user890104> i've tested it on my ipod
14:45 < TheSeven> what does it show on the lcd?
14:46 < Rustyp1981> no entry sign with donot disconect. The ipod is showing in my computer
14:46 < TheSeven> i mean when you reboot it
14:46 < TheSeven> and *HOW* you can enter disk mode
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14:49 < Rustyp1981> i get a whitescreen for a split second and thena black screen with emBIOS v.0.1.4 r421m. After about 30 seconds the ipod turns it's self off. At this point if i press the select button the ipod powers up again and i get the white screen for a split second the the black one with emBIOS then thrity sendonds or so switchs off again.
14:50 < Rustyp1981> to enter disk mode i hold select and menu when at the black emBIOS screen and when it reboots i press and hold select + play
14:50 < user890104> so iloader itself is working, but you see no graphical output on the screen
14:50 < TheSeven> yep
14:50 < TheSeven> lcd trouble...
14:51 < user890104> i suggest uninstalling then, but the uninstaller also seems to fail
14:53  * user890104 has to go
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14:53 < Rustyp1981> i did manage to get r250to work fully yesterday but when i started messing with it was when all my problems started
14:56  * TheSeven has to go as well
14:56 < TheSeven> you don't happen to have a nor flash backup of your ipod?
14:56 < Rustyp1981> no :(
14:57 < Rustyp1981> I just want to try and get apple os back for now a i have a 1.5 hour cycle rided to work this evening
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15:13 < Rustyp1981> :(
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15:16 < Rustyp1981> hmmm.just tried installing rockbox through the installer and it says "error reading partition table - possibly not an ipod"
15:17 < Rustyp1981> this was while the ipod was in disk mode
15:18 < TheSeven|Mobile> if i were you i would feel lucky that my ipod is not completely bricked yet and would not do anything other than what we instruct you to do now...
15:19 < Rustyp1981> ok
15:19 < Rustyp1981> i'll leave it as is
15:19 < Rustyp1981> untill advised by your selfs
15:20 < TheSeven|Mobile> if disk mode still works, i'd take the opportunity to restore using itunes once again
15:20 < TheSeven|Mobile> that way we should get the data flash into a known state again
15:20 < Rustyp1981> when i start ituens the ipod reboot
15:20 < Rustyp1981> into the balck emBIOS screen
15:21 < TheSeven|Mobile> and itunes doesn't ask you if you want to restore it?
15:21 < Rustyp1981> no
15:21 < Rustyp1981> once it reboots it no longer detects the ipod
15:22 < TheSeven|Mobile> and if you hold the disk mode combo while it reboots it?
15:22 < Rustyp1981> i'll try that now
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15:28 < Rustyp1981> need to reboot. brb
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15:32 < Rustyp81> it just keeps rebooting
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15:33 < Rustyp81> it trys tosync
15:33 < Rustyp81> 8it trys to sync, then reboots
15:35 < TheSeven|Mobile> and you currently have no valid firmware partition on it?
15:35 < Rustyp81> how do i check
15:36 < Rustyp81> i can brows the ipod in explorer
15:36 < TheSeven|Mobile> both ipodpatcher and the uninstaller failed because of a missing/damaged firmware partition, right?
15:36 < Rustyp81> I have no idea why the failed
15:37 < Rustyp81> i just followed the instructions user890104 game me
15:37 < Rustyp81> *gave
15:42 < TheSeven|Mobile> and what did it do?
15:42 < Rustyp81> from the start....
15:42 < Rustyp81> we manged to restore it using itunes
15:43 < Rustyp81> then user890104 send me a new installer
15:43 < Rustyp81> i loaded that and that gave us the problems we are experiancing now
15:43 < TheSeven|Mobile> i mean *how* the uninstaller failed
15:44 < Rustyp81> hang on i will go through the log and pastie the relivent details
15:45 < TheSeven|Mobile> what did the uninstaller complain about? a missing/damaged firmware partition/aupd?
15:46 < Rustyp81> itdidn't
15:46 < TheSeven|Mobile> what else did it do then?
15:46 < TheSeven|Mobile> it must have done *anything*!
15:46 < Rustyp81> thisis the output i got
15:46 < Rustyp81> http://pastie.org/1460156
15:48 < TheSeven|Mobile> great. and what did the ipod do?
15:49 < Rustyp81> stayed at the emBIOS screen
15:49 < TheSeven|Mobile> did you give it some time to complete uninstalling?
15:50 < Rustyp81> i waited till the command prompt came back in the cmd shell
15:50 < TheSeven|Mobile> which should be almost instant
15:50 < Rustyp81> yes, it was
15:50 < TheSeven|Mobile> did the ipod reboot after like half a minute?
15:50 < Rustyp81> no
15:51 < Rustyp81> i rebooted it
15:55 < TheSeven|Mobile> if you reboot it, wait a few seconds, and then press the center button, does anything happen?
15:56 < Rustyp81> yes
15:57 < TheSeven|Mobile> and what?
15:57 < Rustyp81> the back light dims. The screen on the ipod stays at the emBIOS black screen and windows detects the ipod
16:01 < Rustyp81> windows detects the ipod as an ipod not as emBIOS device
16:02 < TheSeven|Mobile> so as a mass storage device?
16:03 < TheSeven|Mobile> can you boot diagmode?
16:03 < Rustyp81> yes, i can see the ipod in my computer
16:04 < Rustyp81> how do i boot into diagmode?
16:04 < TheSeven|Mobile> like disk mode, lust select+left
16:04 < TheSeven|Mobile> in diagmode, go to others => status and press the center button
16:04 < TheSeven|Mobile> what are the lcd_detect values?
16:07 < Rustyp81> LCD Detect0:0
16:07 < Rustyp81> LCD Detect1:1
16:07 < TheSeven|Mobile> hm, ilitek...
16:09 < Rustyp81> ilitek?
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16:35 < TheSeven> Rustyp81: are you getting an "emBIOS v.whatever" screen, or "emBIOS Loader v.whatever"?
16:35 < Rustyp81> when the ipod boots?
16:35 < TheSeven> yes
16:36 < Rustyp81> it hangs on emBIOS v0.1.4 r421Mscreen
16:37 < Rustyp81> a white screen with text flashes just before though
16:37 < TheSeven> ok
16:37 < TheSeven> hm, so the first DMA transfer makes its way through, but then it breaks
16:37 < TheSeven> user890104: anything special with that build?
16:39 < Rustyp81> i'm not sure if it is relivant but i managed to get the R250 build to load ok yesterday
16:40 < Rustyp81> this one
16:40 < Rustyp81> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/ipodnano2g-installer0.2.1-iloader0.2.2-uninstaller0.2.0-embios0.1.4-embiosldr0.1.1-umsboot0.1.0-20101103-r250.ipodx
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16:42 < Rustyp81> i need to leave for work but i will leave this shell open and check it when i get back.
16:43 < Rustyp81> Many thanks for all your help so far. :)
17:14 < TheSeven> in that case i'd just downgrade to that version
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21:14 < Rustyp81> Hello. How do i go about downgrading?
21:15 < TheSeven> embios.py runfirmware 08000000 whatever.bin
21:15 < TheSeven> the r250 installer bin file
21:16 < TheSeven> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/ipodnano2g-installer0.2.1-iloader0.2.2-uninstaller0.2.0-embios0.1.4-embiosldr0.1.1-umsboot0.1.0-20101103-r250.bin
21:17 < Rustyp81> from recovery mode?
21:19 < TheSeven> no, from the "stuck at boot on embios screen" state
21:20 < TheSeven> afterwards, wait for the downgrade to complete
21:20 < TheSeven> (until it reboots)
21:20 < Rustyp81> HAHA!!!!
21:20 < Rustyp81> Sorted
21:20 < Rustyp81> :-)
21:21 < TheSeven> not quite.
21:21 < Rustyp81> well i have the iloader guinow
21:21 < TheSeven> the itunes problem probably still remains, and i have absolutely no idea what's going on
21:21 < Rustyp81> oh right
21:22 < Rustyp81> i am able to boot into rock box
21:22 < Rustyp81> from the iloader menu
21:26 < Rustyp81> and i have just coppied a song to the ipod using CopyTrans manager
21:26 < Rustyp81> dare i try itunes??
21:27 < Rustyp81> *copied a song whilst ipod was running rock box
21:29 < TheSeven> well you can try restoring it once again
21:30 < TheSeven> it can't hurt that much
21:30 < TheSeven> either it works, or it just reboots again
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21:40 < Rustyp1981_> Itunes just rebooted the ipod. Whenthe ipod, rebooted it said something about ftl no being clean then a progress bar and then booted to the iloader gui
21:44 < TheSeven> weird
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21:47 < Jackal_> hey guys i have a question
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21:47 < Jackal_> i installed rockbox on my 2g 120gb classic and i was wondering if there was a way to still boot the apple firmware
21:48 < TheSeven> not without uninstalling rockbox
21:48 < Jackal_> thanks
21:48 < TheSeven> i'll look into this at some point, but we haven't got that far yet
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21:51 < Rustyp1981_> It is indeed strange. I've just transfered 2GB of my music using copytrans man and shuffled through a load of songs and rockbox seas stable enough, so on the plus side iam able to listen to music.
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21:54 < Rustyp1981_> i plan to get a 1g nano so i can play around with the psgroove payloads, so i shall donatethis one to the cause. :)
21:54 < TheSeven> Rustyp1981_: what on earth do you want to do with psgroove?`
21:55 < Rustyp1981_> Try and teach myself how the hex files work
21:56 < Rustyp1981_> although there are probably cheaper ways to do this
21:57 < TheSeven> there is some hack from geohot nowadays that doesn't need any special hardware any more
21:57 < TheSeven> (based on the work from fail0verflow)
22:01 < Rustyp1981_> yeah but he won't release the npdrm keys and with out them every one who installs his cwf is at his mercy
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22:02 < Rustyp1981_> i have no real intention of runing "backups" or much hoebrew i just like to try and find out howthings work
22:02 < Rustyp1981_> mainly breaking them in the process
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22:19 < user890104> TheSeven: (for the logs) here is a diff that shows the differences between my working copy (that i built the installer from) and r421 (SVN HEAD at the moment) http://212.233.239.19:8989/~venci/freemyipod/diff.txt
22:20 < user890104> i've made only cosmetic changes to the look of iloader/embios
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23:29 < Rustyp1981_> Hmm....rock box has just frozen. It reboots ok but fails to find any songs.:(
23:38 < Rustyp1981_> alsowhen i go into the more options menu from the iLoader gui and then into fall back menu it says iLoader - no config file
23:40  * TheSeven falls off his chair
23:40 < Rustyp1981_> have you been drinking?
23:40 < Rustyp1981_> or am i just being retarded again
23:41 < TheSeven> this is a *feature*
23:41 < Farthen> have *you* been drinking? xD
23:41 < TheSeven> that way you can enter the *fallback* menu, which is normally used if there is a problem with the theme
23:42 < Rustyp1981_> in which case i think my second second statement applies xd
23:42 < Rustyp1981_> xD
23:42 < TheSeven> regarding rockbox not finding any songs: where did you put them?
23:44 < TheSeven> and when it locked up, what were you doing?
23:44 < TheSeven> was that during a file transfer, or just while playing around in the menus?
23:51 < Rustyp1981_> erm i'm not sure
23:51 < Rustyp1981_> i used copy trans manger to move them over
23:51 < TheSeven> what is that?
23:52 < Rustyp1981_> an itunes replacement
23:52 < TheSeven> so that probably threw everything into ipod_control/itunes/music?
23:52 < Rustyp1981_> http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php
23:52 < Rustyp1981_> i would guess so
23:54 < TheSeven> why are you using that kind of crap with rockbox?
23:55 < Rustyp1981_> haha, i've only had an ipod for 2 day
23:55 < Rustyp1981_> s
23:55 < Rustyp1981_> i know no better
23:55 < Rustyp1981_> what should i be using/
23:55 < TheSeven> er, just copy the files, like on every other sane mp3 player device?
23:55 < Rustyp1981_> haha
23:55 < Rustyp1981_> genius
23:55 < TheSeven> no need for that itunes crap if you aren't using the apple firmware any more
23:56 < Rustyp1981_> do i have to copy them anywhere specific?
23:56 < TheSeven> you should probably *not* copy them into /.rockbox or /iLoader, but everywhere else should be fine
23:56 < TheSeven> you can structure them in whatever way you want and just browse to them using the file browser
23:56 < Rustyp1981_> ok,thanks. 
23:57 < TheSeven> or use the database, which will scan all tracks in the file system and build an itunes-like metadata database
23:57 < Rustyp1981_> i alsoget the ftl apears to be unclean every time the ipod reboots
23:57 < Rustyp1981_> Really, That's excellent!!
23:58 < TheSeven> you will get the ftl repair cycle after every unclean shutdown
23:58 < TheSeven> so if the ipod locks up and you need to hard-reset it using menu+select, this is to be expected
23:58 < TheSeven> however it shouldn't happen after a regular shutdown
23:58 < Rustyp1981_> hang on, i'll try a propper shut down
23:59 < Rustyp1981_> :)
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