--- Log opened Sun Jan 23 00:00:06 2011 00:00 -!- UnconventionalT [~Clayton@host88-207-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06 < residentriot> So yeah, anybody for that database problem? 00:13 < residentriot> [14:30] Hey, I came in here last night with that problem of rockbox disappearing 00:13 < residentriot> [14:31] I deleted the first nine bytes instead of eight of rockbox.ipod, you know 00:13 < residentriot> [14:31] cause I can't count? 00:13 < residentriot> [14:31] So I let the battery die on me because it was stuck on the loading firmware screen, and now it goes into an infinite boot loop when I plug it in via USB. 00:13 < residentriot> [14:31] What now? 00:15 < user890104> residentriot: you could try holding menu+select while connecting the ipod to usb until you get a blank screen in order to enter dfu mode before booting anything else 00:15 < residentriot> The problem is that it the boot cycles so fast that it won't do that. 00:16 < residentriot> Like, it'll go to emBIOS for about a second, shut off, then try it again 00:17 < residentriot> We're talking like, it reboots probably ever second and a half. 00:17 < user890104> if you have embios, turn the hold switch on 00:17 < user890104> and it will enter embios recovery mode 00:17 < residentriot> When you plug it in? 00:17 < TheSeven> user890104: the classic has no recovery mode in embiosldr 00:17 < TheSeven> residentriot: use a more powerful USB port or wall charger 00:17 < residentriot> Huh? 00:17 < TheSeven> your problem is probably that the battery dies while trying to spin up the drive 00:17 < user890104> TheSeven: didn't know that 00:18 < residentriot> Oh my god, what the hell? 00:18 < residentriot> I went from the front port to the back port and it boot directly to iloader. 00:18 < residentriot> What in the world. 00:18 < TheSeven> you might also want to disconnect it, wait for it to power off, lock the hold switch, reconnect it, wait for a few minutes, and try to boot it again 00:19 < TheSeven> front port => more connectors and longer cable in the path => less current 00:19 < residentriot> Hmm. 00:20 < residentriot> So if I try editing the rockbox.ipod to rockbox.ubi and I take out the first eight bytes (00 to 07), this should work, right? 00:20 < residentriot> Because before I couldn't count and did 00 to 08 00:20 < TheSeven> i'd hope so 00:21 < TheSeven> you might want to let it charge a bit before doing so, otherwise it might just start going nuts again :) 00:21 * residentriot crosses fingers 00:21 < residentriot> Okay, or else I've got a 40$ paperweight :( 00:21 < TheSeven> and i'd still like to know why on earth those ipods sometimes refuse to respond to menu+select 00:21 < residentriot> Agreed! 00:21 < TheSeven> never had it on mine, but several people are complaining about this 00:22 < TheSeven> which one is that? first-generation 80gb? 00:22 < residentriot> Yeah 1G Classic 80GB 00:22 < residentriot> For some reason the .rockbox folder just disappeared 00:22 < TheSeven> strange 00:22 < residentriot> so that when I clicked Rockbox on iLoader, it told me that Rockbox wasn't installed. 00:22 < residentriot> I mean, I think. I haven't been able to load it as memory drive yet to actually see 00:22 < TheSeven> hm, that does not neccessarily mean that the folder is completely gone 00:23 < TheSeven> it's sufficient if the checksum of rockbox.ipod is wrong because something corrupted it for some reason 00:23 < residentriot> Like what? 00:23 < residentriot> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. 00:24 < residentriot> I bet I didn't safely eject my drive. 00:24 < TheSeven> after updating rockbox? 00:24 < residentriot> After charging it/adding music 00:24 < residentriot> While rockbox was booted. 00:25 < TheSeven> hm, that should only be able to corrupt files that have actually been touched 00:25 < residentriot> hm. 00:25 < residentriot> Well, that's what happened. I unplugged it, got in my car and booted rockbox and voila... 00:25 < residentriot> Then the thing with the first nine bytes and here we are. 00:40 -!- liar [~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:47 < residentriot> Damn it, it looks like that didn't do it. 00:50 < residentriot> okay TheSeven 00:51 < residentriot> can we claify that this http://i.imgur.com/vVEMK.jpg is the first eight bytes? 00:51 < TheSeven> yep, exactly 00:51 < residentriot> Then why the hell is it stuck booting at this point? 00:51 < residentriot> Unless it takes like 15 minutes. 00:52 < residentriot> Or unless I'm saving it wrong. 00:56 < TheSeven> is it still at the UMSboot "booting" screen? 00:56 < TheSeven> or is there a rockbox logo? 00:56 < TheSeven> oh, wait 00:56 < TheSeven> whatever you have there is an ipod video build, not ipod classic 00:56 < TheSeven> (judging from the screenshot) 00:57 < residentriot> Yes. 00:57 < residentriot> The uh, booting screen. 00:57 < residentriot> OH 00:57 < residentriot> SWEET TITS. 00:57 < TheSeven> if you extracted that to your ipod, that explains why it didn't want to boot it any more 00:58 < residentriot> am I going to to have to wait for it die again, or can I somehow circumvent the UMS booting screen? 01:00 < TheSeven> menu+select 01:01 < TheSeven> if that doesn't work, you'll need to let it run out of battery :/ 01:01 < TheSeven> shouldn't take too long, as it should still be pretty much empty 01:01 < residentriot> Only let it charge for probably 35-40 minutes. 01:02 < residentriot> WTF, menu select worked this time. 01:02 < residentriot> Weird. 01:02 < residentriot> I won't question it. 01:03 < residentriot> GLORIOUS FOR MOTHER RUSSIA! 01:03 < residentriot> Thanks TheSeven :) you guys are doing a great job and have a bitchin' thing going so far :D 01:04 -!- residentriot [~NapalmRio@h69-21-75-250.orchmo.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 01:06 -!- residentriot [~NapalmRio@h69-21-75-250.orchmo.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 01:06 < residentriot> stupid disconnect 01:06 < residentriot> TheSeven it's telling me that rockbox isn't installed again when I reboot. 01:07 < TheSeven> yes, of course 01:07 < TheSeven> you'll need to fix the build on the hard drive 01:07 < residentriot> oh, duh 01:07 < TheSeven> UMSboot just uploads rockbox to RAM, to allow you to access the disk again 01:07 < residentriot> i would probably figure this shit out myself but it's been a week from hell :P 01:09 < residentriot> Weird, the folder is still there. 01:11 < residentriot> Oh well, working now on reboot. 01:11 < residentriot> We'll see what happens in the next few days. 01:17 < JR____> what did you mean by "you'll need to fix the build on the hard drive" I'm still having the same issue of not being able to acces the HD once getting rockbox upload to the ram 01:18 < TheSeven> JR____: are you using linux? 01:18 < TheSeven> there is a known bug in the ehci_hcd kernel module that causes problems while trying to mount it 01:19 < JR____> i've got multiple OS's, ubuntu 10, win xp & win 7 01:19 < JR____> tried it on all but XP so far & no luck 01:21 < JR____> It's showing up in my device manager & win explorer but says it needs to be reformated in order to work with windows but can't susecfully format 01:26 < JR____> I've tried your suggestion about trying to delete the iloader folder in rockbox once loaded to the ram but nothing appears in the files folder. Once i reboot the unit I get error messasge "Could not load iloader theme". 01:27 < TheSeven> ah, that was the ipod with the bad drive? 01:28 < JR____> seems like it yeah 01:32 < JR____> i'm doing some research on the Hd now, since windows does recocgnize it as a disk drive. i assume it's reading it as a drive & see there's been some issues even hooking the drive up directly thru a adapter and gaining acces that way 01:33 < TheSeven> JR____: what did diagmode say? 01:33 < TheSeven> (HDD SMART Data) 01:35 < JR____> I couldn't figure out what u mean by diagmode. You mean the ipod diagmode? the one loaded by holding the select+previous buttons during boot? 01:35 < TheSeven> yes 01:36 < TheSeven> but that won't work if iloader is installed, you need to uninstall it first 01:36 < JR____> I keep getting stuck at the HW part of the test 01:36 < TheSeven> which HW part? 01:36 < TheSeven> that test should just briefly connect to the HDD and ask for some health data 01:37 < JR____> it's one of the test's right after the button stage 01:37 < TheSeven> it's in the I/O menu 01:39 < JR____> unfortunatelly i can't remember, give me a few min to get into the diagmode & i'll let u know 01:44 < JR____> ok i'm in diag mode, It's the HDSmartdata result you want? 01:44 < TheSeven> yes 01:45 < JR____> k wich result's? 01:45 < TheSeven> mainly reallocated and pending sector count 01:46 < TheSeven> retracts might be interesting as well 01:46 < JR____> retracts:31 reallocs: 4824 pending sectors:64 01:46 < TheSeven> ok 01:46 < TheSeven> that one has severe surface damage 01:47 < JR____> start/ stops:6508 current temp: 28C 01:47 < TheSeven> and apparently it has already ran out of spare sectors 01:47 < TheSeven> (which is why it can't hide the defects any more) 01:47 < JR____> ok 01:47 < TheSeven> the only thing you can do about that is figure out the locations of all user-visible defects, generare a bad block table for that, and write it to the HDD 01:48 < TheSeven> embios can map out bad sectors on the software side, and I have a patch for rockbox to do so as well 01:48 < TheSeven> generate* 01:49 < TheSeven> the 80GB drive is known for some rather ugly misbehavior wrt. to bad sectors 01:50 < JR____> how would i start this process? 01:50 < S_a_i_n_t> Is this the same disk as your one that shat itself in a hillariously unusual pattern TheSeven? 01:50 < TheSeven> one bad sector will usually kill a whole stripe of 32 sectors if you don't take extra care to circumvent the bad one 01:50 < TheSeven> S_a_i_n_t: yes 01:50 < S_a_i_n_t> Ah. 01:51 < TheSeven> JR____: Boot disk mode, take some tool like HDtune, and let it scan the disk 01:51 < TheSeven> this will at least give you a rough idea about where the problems are 01:51 < TheSeven> then you'll probably have to poke at those regions one sector at a time to figure out the real defects 01:52 < TheSeven> the reported sector numbers often aren't actually the bad ones 01:52 < S_a_i_n_t> TheSeven: Have you any clue *why* it's so terrible at managing itself? 01:52 < TheSeven> IIUC it ignores the write cache and read ahead settings 01:53 < TheSeven> which results in writes appearing to succeed, but then (asynchronously) failing, and actually making the *next* transfer to the disk time out, not the one that caused the problem 01:54 < TheSeven> the same holds true for reads. it will try to read 32 sectors ahead. if the next request is within those 32 sectors, but hasn't been fetched yet, it won't cancel the readahead but instead "just" read the sectors in between 01:54 < S_a_i_n_t> who makes this disk? 01:54 < TheSeven> this means that if a bad sector is in between two accesses, which have a distance of at most 32 sectors, the second transfer will fail, even though you didn't actually try to read the bad one 01:54 < TheSeven> toshiba 01:55 < S_a_i_n_t> the whole thing sounds like an extraordinary fail. 01:55 < JR____> do you think it's even worth trying to recover? 01:55 < TheSeven> also it has 4K-sized internal sectors and fails at emulating the 512-byte sectors as required by the ATA spec 01:56 < S_a_i_n_t> ha! 01:56 < TheSeven> so you always have to read 8 sectors at a time, starting at an 8-sector boundary, or the transfer will fail 01:56 < TheSeven> JR____: I managed to recover mine, and it's working nicely so far. but figuring out the exact locations of the problems took me weeks 01:57 < S_a_i_n_t> by now, you would have been able to write many a "Dear , I have noticed you fail badly in the following areas:" letters. 01:57 < TheSeven> once i knew what was going on i hacked up some tool that did a semi-automatic analysis and tried to circumvent this misbehavior, but that still scanned the disk for more than a day, and needed several passes and some manual correction before the results were good enough 01:58 < TheSeven> but i must admit that mine has like 8000 user-visible bad sectors, not 64 like yours 01:59 < TheSeven> in the first scans i did I ended up with almost 100000 sectors flagged as bad because of those firmware bugs 01:59 < JR____> lol, k well i'm gonna give it a shot. I just installed HD Tune & gonna let it scan while i watch UFC in a few min 01:59 * TheSeven falls asleep 02:27 -!- S_a_i_n_t is now known as [Saint] 02:58 -!- residentriot [~NapalmRio@h69-21-75-250.orchmo.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:38 -!- TheSeven [~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:42 -!- TheSeven [~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #freemyipod-support 05:55 -!- JR____ [63ea1c65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.234.28.101] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:25 -!- residentriot [~NapalmRio@h69-21-75-250.orchmo.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 06:28 -!- residentriot [~NapalmRio@h69-21-75-250.orchmo.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:55 -!- UnconventionalT [~Clayton@host88-207-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #freemyipod-support 09:56 < UnconventionalT> Well, I'm back. And I got the software installed, rockbox is working. 10:15 -!- liar [~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at] has joined #freemyipod-support 10:20 < UnconventionalT> I'd like to make the awesome rayboradio_OB theme work properly on the classic, but there's little Classic documentation. 10:21 -!- UnconventionalT [~Clayton@host88-207-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:28 < [Saint]> UnconventionalT: the themes are not device specific. 10:28 < [Saint]> all the themes for the iPod Video should work fine. 10:29 < [Saint]> and the cowon D2 in fact 10:29 < [Saint]> (touch tags will simply be ignored) 10:44 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has joined #freemyipod-support 11:10 -!- liar [~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:11 -!- liar [~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at] has joined #freemyipod-support 12:07 -!- [Saint] [S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.65] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:07 -!- user890104 [~Venci@6bez10.info] has quit [] 12:07 -!- S_a_i_n_t [S_a_i_n_t@203.184.0.244] has joined #freemyipod-support 12:38 -!- user890104 [~Venci@6bez10.info] has joined #freemyipod-support 14:43 -!- UnconventionalT [~Clayton@host88-207-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #freemyipod-support 14:44 < UnconventionalT> How can a non-coder like me help the Classic on it's way? 14:56 < UnconventionalT> How can one tell if ones iPod is a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd G Classic? 15:06 < benedikt93> UnconventionalT, http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Chronology and the page linked to for each model might help 15:08 < UnconventionalT> benedikt93, Ah, thanks. 15:20 -!- UnconventionalT [~Clayton@host88-207-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:19 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:40 -!- liar [~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:46 -!- liar [~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at] has joined #freemyipod-support 18:17 -!- C-Strong [61790bdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.121.11.221] has joined #freemyipod-support 18:18 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has joined #freemyipod-support 18:20 < C-Strong> Hey, I'm having a problem with Rockbox for my iPod Classic 6g. For some reason, it sticks at the loading screen. Is there any way to fix that? 19:00 < TheSeven> which loading screen? 19:40 -!- JR___ [63ea1c65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.234.28.101] has joined #freemyipod-support 19:40 -!- user890104 [~Venci@6bez10.info] has quit [] 20:21 -!- JR___ [63ea1c65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.234.28.101] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:51 -!- asmmonkey [~asmmonkey@32.Red-83-51-129.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 21:04 -!- asmmonkey [~asmmonkey@32.Red-83-51-129.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: mov pc, lr] 21:09 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has quit [Quit: Bye ;)] 21:29 -!- fabio [53239a93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.35.154.147] has joined #freemyipod-support 21:30 -!- fabio [53239a93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.35.154.147] has left #freemyipod-support 21:32 -!- fab666888 [53239a93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.35.154.147] has joined #freemyipod-support 21:37 -!- fab666888 [53239a93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.35.154.147] has quit [Client Quit] 23:16 -!- C-Strong [61790bdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.121.11.221] has quit [Quit: Page closed] --- Log closed Mon Jan 24 00:00:55 2011