--- Log opened Fri Feb 18 00:01:35 2011
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07:23 < Fiber-> So silent here....
07:23 < Fiber-> :p
07:24 < [Saint]> well, I'll ask the same thing here then ;)
07:24 < [Saint]> I can just rename installer-n2g-ipodnano2g-r623.bin to <that>.ubi and pass it to the iPod via the ubi thingy-majiggity in the emCORE menu yes?
07:44 < Fiber-> My ipod just crashed :p
07:44 < Fiber-> Data abort something
07:44 < Fiber-> :p
07:52 < [Saint]> it's fine to just reset it using menu+select in this case Fiber-
08:05 < Fiber-> I know
08:05 < Fiber-> btw there
08:05 < Fiber-> there's a 0.2db difference between the left and right channel
08:05 < Fiber-> just measured it with smaart
08:05 < Fiber-> from headphone and line out.. but maybe that's just my ipod
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10:26 < TheSeven> [08:24] <[Saint]> I can just rename installer-n2g-ipodnano2g-r623.bin to <that>.ubi and pass it to the iPod via the ubi thingy-majiggity in the emCORE menu yes? << yes
10:26 < TheSeven> Fiber-: which one is the stronger channel? the left one?
10:26 < TheSeven> with balance set to zero?
10:29 < Fiber-> yeah left.. balance set to 0 TheSeven
10:29 < Fiber-> but maybe it's my ipod or audio interface (i used my tc konnekt 24d)
10:30  * TheSeven sometimes has the same impression when using his nano2g
10:30 < Fiber-> I used a mono flac file with test tone
10:30 < Fiber-> 440hz mono flac file
10:30 < Fiber-> could be my ipod though :)
10:34 < [Saint]> Hmmmm...now this is weird, because I have also had this impression with my Nano2Gs, but I only notice it in particular with one set of headphones, and even then I thought it was observation bias but I could swear the left channel was louder.
10:34 < Fiber-> I have an ipod classic 2g
10:35 < [Saint]> I don't notice it on my Nano1Gs, but they have a completely different sound altogether to the Nano2G...so it's hard to compare the two.
10:38 < Fiber-> I'm gonna try it again with my other audio interface.. could be that one line port of my konnekt is just louder
10:47  * TheSeven needs to measure that again
10:48 < TheSeven> i don't always notice it, and often blamed it on the earbuds as well, but if i felt there was a difference, it was always the left channel that seemed to be louder
10:49 < TheSeven> but if that happens on the classic as well, it points more towards a rockbox bug than a driver problem
10:49 < TheSeven> (the nano2g and classic use completely different audio chips, and thus also have completely different drivers)
10:51 < Fiber-> I'm only getting a 0.1db difference right now
10:51 < Fiber-> probably my interface :)
10:51 < TheSeven> does the difference depend on the direction of the last volume adjustment?
10:52 < Fiber-> I'm using the line out right now instead of headphone output..
10:52 < TheSeven> i could imagine that the driver has a bug that makes one channel lag one step behind the other one
10:52 < TheSeven> Fiber-: oh, if you have access to the line out, could you please verify if the "line out enable" option works right?
10:53 < Fiber-> it works without the enable? (I didn't change anything and it worked)
10:53 < TheSeven> i think it's enabled by default
10:53 < Fiber-> i just plugged my dock line out connector in and it worked
10:53 < Fiber-> :)
10:53 < Fiber-> but my Fiio e1 doesn't work
10:54 < TheSeven> also, do the various tone controls (bass/treble/bass cutoff/treble cutoff/balance) affect the lineout?
10:54 < Fiber-> hold on :) gonna try
10:55 < Fiber-> it does something strange TheSeven?
10:56 < TheSeven> regarding the fiio, do only the buttons not work, or also audio output?
10:56 < Fiber-> It pulls total volume down if I put the bass value higher
10:56 < TheSeven> if both, can you check if the accessory power supply is enabled?
10:56 < TheSeven> Fiber-: that's to be expected, to prevent clipping
10:56 < Fiber-> ah yeah that's true :)
10:56 < Fiber-> that's why the original ipod eq sucks
10:56 < Fiber-> it doesn't pull volume down, only adds until it clips
10:56 < Fiber-> but it affects line out yeah
10:57 < Fiber-> where can I find the accessory power supply option?
10:57 < TheSeven> ok, but it does not *only* pull the volume down, but also increase the amount of bass/treble?
10:57 < Fiber-> it does add bass yes, also treble for treble :)
10:57 < TheSeven> what about balance?
10:57 < Fiber-> balance does nothing
10:58 < Fiber-> works on the headphone output but not on line out
10:58 < TheSeven> settings => general settings => system => accessory power supply
10:58 < Fiber-> ah and now it hangs
10:58 < Fiber-> :p
10:58 < Fiber-> hold on, need to reset it
10:59 < TheSeven> did only the gui hang, or also audio playback?
10:59 < Fiber-> both
10:59 < TheSeven> hm, strange
10:59 < Fiber-> sounded like my cd player had a hiccup :p
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11:00 < TheSeven> yep, that means that the audio interface still worked, but nobody supplied it with new data
11:01 < Fiber-> but.. bass/treble works on line out
11:01 < Fiber-> but balance not
11:01 < Fiber-> :)
11:02 < Fiber-> and the power supply option was on yes.. but it just doesn't work
11:02 < TheSeven> does toggling it have any effect? (pops in the phones, or something)
11:02 < Fiber-> no.. nothing.. tried that already
11:03 < Fiber-> and I also tried the car adapter mode
11:03 < Fiber-> maybe it has something to do with not enough power supplied to the port?
11:03 < Fiber-> (i don't know? ;))
11:03 < TheSeven> i wouldn't expect that
11:03 < TheSeven> maybe that accessory just waits for some command to be sent by the ipod
11:03 < Fiber-> yeah maybe indeed.. 
11:04 < TheSeven> and while we have the lineout and power supply working, we don't have data communication with the accessory yet
11:04 < Fiber-> ah well I'm using it with my lineo ut adapter and my e5 for now :)
11:04 < Fiber-> Ipod can't drive my big akg headphones... :p
11:06 < Fiber-> most important is that the basics are good right now.. accessory's later
11:06 < Fiber-> :p
11:08  * TheSeven still struggles with that stupid fat 160gb drive
11:08 < Fiber-> hehehe
11:08 < Fiber-> :D
11:08 < Fiber-> is that drive better or worse in performance?
11:08 < TheSeven> no idea
11:09 < TheSeven> i still have the impression that there is something jamming the data lines at the electrical level
11:11 < Fiber-> I don't know man.. I wish I had the expertise you have :D
11:11 < Fiber-> I'm only a mix/mastering engineer ;)
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