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01:54 < Outie> hai
01:55 < Outie> so I've installed emCORE/rockbox on my Classic 2G (120GB) with no trouble, but if I generate a database rockbox locks up on commit phase 1/9 on the next reboot
01:56 < Outie> any pointers?
01:56 < Outie> there's an awful lot of files on the thing, but I've let it sit for something like eight hours once with no progress at all
01:58 < TheSeven> yeah, it sometimes cocks up on files with corrupt tags
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02:37 < [Saint]> There's no need to let it sit that long.
02:37 < [Saint]> If it's not completed in 10mins, it's not going to./
02:38 < [Saint]> even 10 mins is too long, but that's a rough guide.
02:39 < [Saint]> usually things that stop the DB update is a: corrupt filesystem, b: weird non-standard/broken metadata tags, c: very  large embedded album art (there's no point in having embedded AA that's larger than the height of the screen...so 240x240 in your case)
02:40 < [Saint]> Outie: ^
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12:07 < Outie> [Saint]: tags are fine, but most of my album art is 500x500 or 600x600 (since I use it on a HTPC as well)
12:07 < Outie> tried it again earlier and it just worked though, so yay
12:08 < Outie> any way I can do a general drive check on the thing by the by? it occasionally deadlocks or reboots after Bad Hard Drive Noises so I'd like to go a bit more involved than just an fs check
12:10 < [Saint]> No, FS checking on device is a NoDo for Rockbox
12:10 < TheSeven> do it from a pc
12:10 < [Saint]> it would take forever, and likely run out of battery halfway and make it worse.
12:11 < [Saint]> 600x600 AA is a bit of a waste...you could probably recover quite a bit of space with "sane" art.
12:12 < [Saint]> the biggest you could possibly want on the Classic is 240x240
12:12 < Outie> well yeah, didn't mean specifically from rockbox on the drive check
12:13 < Outie> last time I tried from my PC smartmontools was complaining though
12:13 < Outie> as for the AA, I know I could, I just don't really want to have two different versions of my entire music library :D
12:13 < [Saint]> just use chkdsk
12:14 < Outie> anyway, as I said it just worked when I tried again earlier so \o/
12:14 < Outie> didn't actually try the disk check from Windows but yeah, will give it a spin
12:14 < Outie> thanks for the help :)
12:16 < TheSeven> Outie: you can't access the drive's SMART data through USB
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12:30 < Outie> that'll explain why then :V
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14:10 < Tom_Sawyer> hey guys
14:10 < Tom_Sawyer> sorry to bug you
14:10 < Tom_Sawyer> just having a bit of an issue with the initial driver installation of all things
14:11 < [Saint]> what is the issue?
14:11 < Tom_Sawyer> "windows encountered a problem installing the driver software for your device"
14:11 < Tom_Sawyer> ... "the parameter is incorrect"
14:12 < [Saint]> are you pointing it to the driver? or hoping it finds it by itself?
14:12 < [Saint]> (the latter won't work)
14:12 < Tom_Sawyer> pointing it to the driver
14:12 < Tom_Sawyer> via have disk
14:12 < [Saint]> I'mnot sure "have disk" is the correct option.
14:13 < [Saint]> isn't there just a "browse path" option available?
14:13 < [Saint]> (not called that, but has this affect)
14:13 < Tom_Sawyer> amounts to the same thing doesn't it?
14:13 < Tom_Sawyer> yeah tried that, exactly the same issue
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14:16 < linkpalmer> hey there, had a question about EmCORE on the ipod Classic, anyone able to help?
14:17 < linkpalmer> really simple question: I'm thinking about installing it, but in case I decide to sell the ipod later, how do you go about uninstalling it to get back to factory defaults?
14:17 < TheSeven> [16:12] <[Saint]> I'mnot sure "have disk" is the correct option.
14:17 < TheSeven> [16:13] <[Saint]> isn't there just a "browse path" option available?
14:17 < TheSeven> that's the same thing :)
14:17 < Tom_Sawyer> haha thought so ;)
14:17 < Tom_Sawyer> still having the issue though
14:18 < TheSeven> linkpalmer: just restore it using itunes
14:18 < linkpalmer> Thanks TheSeven :)
14:18 < TheSeven> Tom_Sawyer: I've seen several reports of that problem, but I have no idea why this started happening with the new release
14:18 < TheSeven> I don't think I've even touched that driver
14:19 < Tom_Sawyer> hmm
14:19 < TheSeven> as a workaround, you can try installing on linux, or on a pc with itunes installed
14:19 < Tom_Sawyer> yeah, might have to run a linux boot
14:19 < Tom_Sawyer> better than tainting my pc with itunes
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14:20 < [Saint]> it's probably easier to just install iTunes.
14:20 < [Saint]> people have a very warped idea of it.
14:20 < TheSeven> or you can try just using itunes' *driver*, but not installing itunes itself
14:20 < Tom_Sawyer> that could work
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14:20 < TheSeven> you just need some files from an itunes-tainted pc to install the driver
14:20 < [Saint]> what files?
14:21 < [Saint]> I can pull them out.
14:21  * TheSeven needs to check
14:22 < [Saint]> If you gimme a list I can pull them out and archive them...put it somewhere useful.
14:22 < TheSeven> c:\program files\common files\apple\mobile device support\drivers
14:24 < TheSeven> if you're on a 32bit machine, you'll need the files from an itunes installation on a 32 bit machine, if you're on 64bit you'll need the files from a 64bit machine
14:25 < TheSeven> please note that these files are copyrighted by apple though...
14:25 < [Saint]> uploading
14:25 < [Saint]> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d5755f82.html
14:25 < Tom_Sawyer> are you on 64 bit or 32 bit [Saint] ?
14:26 < [Saint]> 32
14:26 < Tom_Sawyer> ahk
14:26 < [Saint]> I bet it's the wrong one ;)
14:26 < Tom_Sawyer> I'm on 64 ;)
14:26 < [Saint]> sigh...
14:26 < Tom_Sawyer> cheers anyway
14:27 < Tom_Sawyer> I'm sure I'll find them
14:30 < [Saint]> My advice would be to install iTunes, you'll need it if you frag the iPod and need to restore it, or want to uninstall emCORE anyway.
14:30 < [Saint]> I understand people hate it, but it's the company that's evil...not the software ;)
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14:31 < linkpalmer> @ Saint: haha
14:31 < Tom_Sawyer> no, the software is pretty bad ;)
14:31 < Tom_Sawyer> MediaMonkey and jRiver ftw
14:32 < [Saint]> can they restore your iPod?
14:32 < Tom_Sawyer> about the only thing they can't do
14:32 < Tom_Sawyer> it's the music management/playback/syncing though
14:33 < linkpalmer> hey since I'm here I might as well ask: has rockbox support for the ipod classic improved since the iLoader release? I read on there that playback was jittery, with the EmCORE release is it any better? (I would test but am looking to buy an ipod classic for this purpose, so am trying to decide between an 80g 5.5gen, or a 160 sixth gen
14:35 < [Saint]> Tom_Sawyer: well...you don't need it to manage music, do you?
14:35 < [Saint]> it's *crap* as music management...but for restoring the iPod...it's needed.
14:36 < [Saint]> and it would seem having it would make life easier presently ;)
14:36 < linkpalmer> I should add that I will only be playing .mp3, no .aac or .flac (sorry to be interrupting)
14:37 < Tom_Sawyer> you're not interrupting, we're just a tad off topic
14:37 < Tom_Sawyer> sorry for that
14:38 < linkpalmer> @ Tom_Sawyer: installing it, using it for this purpose, then uninstalling it won't hurt your computer *that* much... I do understand not wanting to taint it, but for the negligible effect it will have on the computer, it seems a lot simpler than trying to do this whole workaround?
14:38 < TheSeven> linkpalmer: the stuttering playback problems have been fixed
14:39 < linkpalmer> Awesome :) Thanks again TheSeven
14:39 < TheSeven> what remains are occasional lockups (might get better with the upcoming emcore release) and poor battery runtime (8-10 hours currently)
14:39 < linkpalmer> Tom_Sawyer: which version of win do you have? I have 32 bit, I can install itunes and dump the needed files for you?
14:40 < Tom_Sawyer> @ linkpalmer ah, but now that I've heard of the workaround
14:40 < Tom_Sawyer> need to see if it works ;)
14:40 < TheSeven> [16:26] <Tom_Sawyer> I'm on 64 ;)
14:40 < linkpalmer> lol, gotcha, a tinkerer at heart
14:40 < Tom_Sawyer> I'm on 64bit, just got a mate to email it to me
14:40 < Tom_Sawyer> yay for steam chat
14:45 < Tom_Sawyer> well that seems to have worked rather nicely
14:45 < Tom_Sawyer> must be a minor issue with your drivers TheSeven
14:46 < TheSeven> the fun fact is that it used to work until very recently
14:47 < Tom_Sawyer> that's odd
14:47 < Tom_Sawyer> hmm
14:47 < Tom_Sawyer> around when windows 7 sp1 came out, do you think?
14:47 < Tom_Sawyer> also, once you've dropped into emCORE console, how the hell do you climb out of it
14:49 < [Saint]> menu+select
14:50 < Tom_Sawyer> cheers, should've guessed that one
14:51 < [Saint]> it's not really ideal, but it shouldn't be doing anything...so the reset can't really hurt.
14:51 < [Saint]> menu+select in other situations (ie. in Rockbox) should be avoided at all costs.
14:52 < [Saint]> people seem to treat it like a reset, which it is...technically, but it's less of a reset and more similar to yanking the jug cord out the back of your PSU ;)
14:59 < linkpalmer> if your rockbox freezes up though, isn't the menu+select the only option to reset it?
14:59 < TheSeven> well, in that case you *need* to "yank the jug cord out the back of your PSU"
15:07 < linkpalmer> haha ok. sorry for the newb questions by the way, I had an Ipod nano that would freeze up occasionally in rockbox, but installed using the rockbox installer rather than emcore, and reset that thing almost daily using that method. Guess it's the same as when computers freeze up rather than people that just turn their computer off by killing the power bar
15:08 < TheSeven> exactly
15:09 < Tom_Sawyer> just getting my first taste of rockbox since the ol' iRiver H320 five years ago
15:09 < Tom_Sawyer> loving it
15:09 < Tom_Sawyer> cheers TheSeven, great stuff indeed
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21:40 < Fuzzy530> Here's my problem. I have installed emCore on my 120Gb iPod Classic, and now my computer won't recognize the disk 100%. Rockbox [fallback] shows that it's there [or at least 111G]. My computer shows a drive, but if I try to open it, it says it's not connected or shows a 0mb disk.
21:46 < Fuzzy530> Something else noteworty: I had previously installed the Drivers for emBios, and the early port of emBIOS/rockbox that was available. Ran for a couple of days before Rockbox froze and refused to load past the title screen.
21:46 < TheSeven> which PC operating system? windows?
21:47 < Fuzzy530> Win7
21:47 < TheSeven> did you notice anything vaguely similar before installing embios/emcore/iloader/rockbox as well?
21:48 < TheSeven> i.e. were there sometimes problems when syncing the ipod, that could point towards a bad cable or HDD?
21:49 < Fuzzy530> after Rockbox froze, I was unable to access the hard drive. Tried it with a dock station, and with the default cable. Same results both times.
21:51 < TheSeven> so you currently have no way to access the disk?
21:52 < Fuzzy530> correct.
21:52 < TheSeven> does UMSboot show the same problems?
21:53 < Fuzzy530> No. I can get UMSBoot to work properly.
21:53 < TheSeven> so the problems seems to be on the HDD and not USB side
21:54 < TheSeven> can rockbox access the HDD fine?
21:54 < Fuzzy530> Yes. it shows that it's there [111G]
21:55 < TheSeven> can you e.g. copy some files around?
21:55 < Fuzzy530> There aren't any showing on it. No folders or files.
21:56 < TheSeven> can you create a folder?
21:56 < TheSeven> and yes, 120GB == 111.759GiB
21:56 < Fuzzy530> Let me check.
21:56 < TheSeven> HDD manufacturers use a factor of 1000, Rockbox and also Windows use 1024
21:57 < Fuzzy530> Where would I create a folder with rockbox?
21:57 < Fuzzy530> nm. found  it.
21:58 < Fuzzy530> yeah. made one.
22:04 < Fuzzy530> It looks like I can make directories, rename them and such.
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23:18 < flo_> good morning guys. i got one problem with my ipod classic 3g. i used rockbox with iloader for a while (with great success). today i found the update with the emcore thing. i installed it in umsboot by using the .ubi file. from now on, my pod only show rainbow colors in botloader and doesnt boot rockbox at all. windows vista x64 even does not recognize the device too.
23:23 < TheSeven> flo_: what happens if you just press the center button on that rainbow-coloured screen?
23:24 < flo_> i see that menu. and when i press enter, it tries to boot rockbox.
23:24 < TheSeven> but doesn't succeed?
23:24 < flo_> but there are no files for rockbox, no fallback too.
23:25 < TheSeven> oops?
23:25 < TheSeven> the fallback should always be present
23:25 < flo_> yeah, big oops
23:25 < TheSeven> if you scroll all the way to the right and press the center button, do you get a menu?
23:25 < TheSeven> did you try booting the fallback image from there? does that fail as well?
23:25 < TheSeven> if it fails, does the umsboot option in that menu work?
23:25 < flo_> in some random cases, fallback starts, when plugging the usb cable in the right moment
23:26 < flo_> it fails too. the umsboot option works. but then windows doesnt find the device / says, it isnt startable
23:27 < TheSeven> ouch
23:27 < TheSeven> sounds like it should really release the new version even though there is still a known bug that i'm hunting
23:28 < flo_> okaay. ^^ i've tried just that moment and fallback started. anything i could try from over here?
23:29 < TheSeven> the good news is that updating to that release is very likely to fix your problem (and updating through DFU should work)
23:29 < TheSeven> oh, then we can try to apply a workaround
23:29 < TheSeven> can you access the hard drive?
23:29 < flo_> no
23:29 < flo_> by rockbox yes. by windows not.
23:36 < flo_> and the workaround is going to work?
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