--- Log opened Tue Apr 05 00:09:48 2011
00:09 < flo_> are you still here?
00:15 < flo_> im about to go to bed now. ill try to be here in about 8h ;)
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01:52 < m_> just wondering when you install emcore and rockbox can you revert back to the ipod firmware with a button press like the original rockbox firware or is the ipod firware replaced?
02:00 < TheSeven> it's completely replaced
02:00 < TheSeven> however, assuming you're talking about an ipod classic, you can restore it to the factory firmware using itunes
02:01 < m_> yes i am (classic 120gb 2nd gen) so you just use restore in itunes
02:02 < m_> so basically if i brick it i can recover it ?
02:03 < TheSeven> well, we usually refer to "bricking" as "irrecoverably damaging", so if you brick it, you can't recover it by definition
02:03 < TheSeven> however i've not seen a bricked ipod classic so far :)
02:04 < TheSeven> only a few ones that needed a bit of hacking to revive them, but that should also not happen any more with the new release
02:04 < m_> so should i wait for a newer release
02:05 < m_> oh and how do i transfer music across and can i do it on my hackintosh 
02:07 < TheSeven> m_: there are currently still a few known issues. some of them have already been resolved, so a new version will be released soon
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02:08 < [7]> however, as far as I can tell, the worst that can happen is that it doesn't work and you need to restore using itunes
02:08 < [7]> but as usual, no warranty for anything
02:09 < [7]> regarding transferring music: you don't need to use itunes any more, you just copy music files to it
02:09 < [7]> however there's a bug in mac os that's preventing it from mounting properly, but that can be worked around
02:10 < m_> so will that bug be fixed in a later release?
02:10 < [7]> which of them?
02:10 < m_> oh sorry the mac os one for mounting the ipod
02:11 < [7]> well, we can't really fix that, as it isn't a bug in our software, but one in the mac os kernel or whatever
02:11 < [7]> the workaround is that you need to partition the ipod's drive a bit differently
02:12 < m_> you said it can be worked around how would i go about doing that to get it to work?
02:12 < [7]> your mac will probably ask you if you want to format the drive, and if you allow it to do that, everything should be fine afterwards
02:12 < [7]> so that's rather trivial
02:13 < [7]> the upcoming release will mostly fix compatibility issues with some specific devices, and some emcore kernel bugs that users will probably never see anyway
02:13 < m_> ah righteo thanyou for all the help i will go try it now
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03:44 < m_> hey is it possible to get themes for rockbox on the ipod classic?
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04:19 < [Saint]> *derp*
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06:07 < gary6> hey guys, I have that standard issue of boot strap for ipod classic not being able to dectec the dfu device.
06:08 < gary6> I can see the ipod classic/dfu device in device manager, (running win 7) 
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07:00 < gary6> Phewww! got it in the end :) I used the install Itunes option :)
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07:23 < Retard> Hi all a few months back I installed the emBios v0.1.2 t206 and reboot via the menu + select key. Now my PC will not recognize my ipod nano 2nd Gen the PC sees it but has no drivers
07:23 < Retard> On the iPod its says the FTL seems to be damaged , Fource check , scanning flash. I then get to a manu 1. Uninstall iloaded (Does not work) 2. Enter disk mode ( Reboots iPod and takes me back to tis  menu) 3. Qiut iloader 4. Power off
07:24 < Retard> Please help
07:25 < STeeF> Retard, is it possible to upgrade your emBios installation to the latest emCore version? The version you are running is a bit out-dated maybe the new version might give better results.
07:28 < Retard> The PC cant see the ipod even ipodpatcher.exe says Scaning disk device , No ipods found , aborting
07:29 < [Saint]> what the hell are you using iPodpatcher for?!?!
07:31 < Retard> I read on the net that if I run this with the patam "U" it sould fix my problem .............................................................................No luck so far
07:32 < [Saint]> No, whatever you read you either misinterpreted, or it's blatantly incorrect.
07:33 < Retard> I cam to the same conclusion................. :-0
07:33 < Retard> Now what ?
07:35 < [Saint]> You'll need to wait around for TheSeven, who isn't here...in the meantime *DON'T* try random things you read on the internet.
07:36 < [Saint]> You'll need to access it via the emCORE console I believe, it is likely this can be can be salvaged depending on what you've done to it.
07:37 < Retard> LOL @ Saint as you were typing thats what I have been doing. I think ill take your advice and rather wait lol
07:38 < Retard> Thanks saint ill google enCore
07:38 < Retard> emcore 
07:38 < [Saint]> regarding iPodpatcher...that's only of any use if you're using the rockbox bootloader (you're not), it can't "see" the iPod because the original firmware is no longer where it expects it to be.
07:39 < [Saint]> for all intents and purposes as far as iPodpatcher is concerned...it's no longer an iPod.
07:41 < Retard> aha Im a lost fart in a perfume factory. will do some googling on the emCore if I dont come right Ill wait for TheSeven
07:42 < Retard> Ta
07:54 < [Saint]> Aha...TheSeven is here, just using his alternate nick.
07:54 < [Saint]> [7]
07:54 < [Saint]> there we go, he's been pinged now so he'll pop in when he's able.
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07:59 < Retard> Hi 7 when u have some time hope you dont mind giving a helping hand
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08:03 < Retard> BUMP found this on the emCORE http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodNano2G
08:19 < Retard> OK I'm a bit confused I need to some how get this debugger (emCore) on my iPod............How the hell am I going to achieve that if my PC can't see the ipod
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08:47 < STeeF> Retard, i'm very busy right now; but could you please try to follow this 'wizard': http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation
08:47 < STeeF> ?
08:52 < Retard> TA STeeF I did and followed the links and got to this http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodNano2G   ..................... I guess Ill have to wait a few days :-0
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10:10 < Retard> I think I'm getting my self deeper into Sh1t will cry later ....... any way when I plug my iPod into the PC the PC recognizes it but needs drivers of which it cant fine. After some googling I found "emBios Monitor" drivers which the PC accepted........ NOW What ?
10:11 < Elfish> how about u just wait?
10:13 < STeeF> Retard, I can not help you further as I don't have a nano so I can not tell you what to do
10:14 < Retard> Thanks STeeF just ranting
10:24 < user890104> Retard: hey, what's your ipod currenly showing on the screen?
10:28 < Retard> a menu 1. Uninstall iLoader (Just reboots) 2. Enter disk mode (Just reboots) 3 .Quit iLoader (Works) 4. Power Off (Works)       on rebooting it says "FTL seems to be damaged , Fource check , scanning flash."  I then get to the manu emBios v0.1.2 r206 
10:33 < user890104> do you get the "ftl seems to be damaged" message every time you power off/restart your ipod, or only when doing it with menu+select?
10:34 < user890104> i mean, if you select Power off from the menu, does it scan the flash on the next powering on?
10:36 < Retard> Yip
10:39 < Retard> and when I enter quit iLoader I get FTL error as well as invalid block type FF while reading vPage 1987328 ftl recovery failed use disk mode to recover (disk mode dont work)
10:42 < Retard> I get the ftl seems to be damaged error every time no matter how I restart the deveice
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11:01 < Retard> All I want to do is get some type of working firm ware on the device so that I can  un (semi)bricked it. I have installed python 3.2 just encase 
11:01 < Retard> oops brick
11:02 < user890104> first, i don't know if python 3.x is compatible with the tools, so i'll recommend you 2.6/2.7
11:02 < user890104> what operating system are you using on your pc?
11:03 < Retard> XP
11:04 < Retard> uninstalling python 3 and installing 2.7
11:04 < user890104> then get http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyusb/files/PyUSB%201.0/1.0.0-alpha-1/pyusb-1.0.0-a1.zip/download
11:05 < user890104> extract it somewhere, open a CMD console, go to the folder where you extracted it
11:05 < user890104> for example "cd Desktop/pyusb-whatever"
11:05 < user890104> then enter the following command: setup.py install
11:06 < Retard> will do.. Wil phython 2.7.1 do ?
11:06 < user890104> i guess so
11:06 < Retard> k
11:07 < user890104> you have the usb driver installed, right?
11:07 < Retard> yip
11:09 < user890104> so when you're done with the setup, i'll guide you how to update this thing
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11:37 < Retard> Done 
11:37 < Retard> sorry it took so ling for some reason python 3 took forever to uninstal
11:44 < user890104> ok, get the following files:
11:45 < user890104> http://svn.freemyipod.org/!svn/bc/672/embios/trunk/tools/embios.py
11:45 < user890104> http://svn.freemyipod.org/!svn/bc/672/embios/trunk/tools/libembios.py
11:46 < user890104> http://svn.freemyipod.org/!svn/bc/672/embios/trunk/tools/libembiosdata.py
11:46 < user890104> http://svn.freemyipod.org/!svn/bc/672/embios/trunk/tools/misc.py
11:46 < user890104> put them in the same folder, go to that folder from CMD
11:47 < user890104> then enter this command: embios getinfo version
11:48 < user890104> and paste the output to www.pastie.org (for example), then post the link to your paste here
11:52 < user890104> when you're done, enter my nickname in the channel so i'll get notified
11:59 < Retard> http://www.pastie.org/1758366
11:59 < Retard> user890104
12:01 < user890104> let's see
12:02 < user890104> you need to update your driver
12:03 < Retard> k
12:03 < Retard> ?
12:03 < user890104> http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/windows_driver.zip
12:03 < user890104> get this one
12:04 < user890104> extract it somewhere, then find you ipod in device manager (named something like emBIOS Debugger)
12:04 < user890104> right click -> update driver
12:04 < user890104> then select the last option from the following dialogs
12:04 < user890104> until you get to a page with Have disk... button
12:05 < user890104> click it, browse to the folder where you extracted the driver
12:05 < user890104> and finish the update
12:09 < Retard> Thats gana be a problem as windows detects my ipod and then needs drives it will only except emBios Monitor drivers (winusb_driver)
12:10 < Retard> user890104
12:10 < user890104> this driver is exactly for the device that windows tries to find
12:14 < Retard> OK let me try it again
12:24 < Retard> Looks like I had to delete the deveice from device manager the disconect and reconect the device it excepted the new drivers but still says emBios Monitor hers the link http://www.pastie.org/1758438
12:24 < Retard> user890104
12:25 < user890104> this is what's expected to see
12:25 < user890104> so it's working now
12:25 < user890104> now, download this: http://builds.freemyipod.org/iloader-installer/target/ipodnano2g/iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin
12:25 < user890104> and enter the command:
12:26 < user890104> embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin
12:26 < user890104> assuming that you downloaded the file in the same folder as the scripts
12:27 < user890104> an installation should start on your ipod, follow the instructions
12:27 < user890104> if there's any problem with the file system it will offer you to format it and erase everything of course
12:28 < user890104> then you would be able to uninstall it (Tools->Uninstall), or keep it if you like it :)
12:31 < Retard> still like it....    Problem the installation did not happen on my ipod the menu disappeared and now on a white screen all it says is "emCore v0.2.0 r 689" thats it
12:31 < user890104> no boot menu?
12:32 < user890104> can you try resetting it (menu+select)
12:32 < Retard> no just "emCore v0.2.0 r 689" sould i reboot device
12:32 < Retard> k
12:33 < Retard> lol man my iPod hats me I'm back to the menu
12:34 < Retard> Let me try it all over again 
12:35 < user890104> try what, you already have the most recent version?
12:35 < Retard> funny thing it reverted back to the old version "emBios v0.1.2 r 206"
12:36 < Retard> user890104
12:36 < user890104> ok, try again then
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12:43 < [Saint]> reverted back to the "old version" of emBIOS?
12:43 < [Saint]> I'm confused.
12:44 < [Saint]> If you already had emBIOS on there....what's the issue?
12:44 < [Saint]> Or did you mean iLoader?
12:44 < [7]> [09:23] <Retard> On the iPod its says the FTL seems to be damaged , Fource check , scanning flash. I then get to a manu 1. Uninstall iloaded (Does not work) 2. Enter disk mode ( Reboots iPod and takes me back to tis  menu) 3. Qiut iloader 4. Power off << ftl fuckup, wiping should help
12:44 < Retard> same thing the instalation dont start
12:45 < [7]> [09:25] <STeeF> Retard, is it possible to upgrade your emBios installation to the latest emCore version? The version you are running is a bit out-dated maybe the new version might give better results. << won't work before it's fixed
12:46 < [7]> but r206 means no umsboot yet, so you need to boot emcore via the embios monitor and then fix it from there
12:48 < Retard> 7 and saint I run embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin it reboots whit a white screen that says emCORE v0.2.0 r 689 but no instalasion if I restart deveice menu select it reverts back to emBios 0.1.2 r206
12:48 < [Saint]> ...no I didn't.
12:48 < [Saint]> I think you mean STeeF
12:49 < [Saint]> sorry, I totally read that wrong
12:49 < [7]> [13:37] <Retard> sorry it took so ling for some reason python 3 took forever to uninstal << would not have been needed, they can be installed in parallel
12:50 < Retard> now u tell me lol
12:50 < [Saint]> Well, he couldn't tell you that while he wasn't here ;)
12:51 < Retard> yip I know just a stupid joke
12:51 < [7]> [14:25] <user890104> now, download this: http://builds.freemyipod.org/iloader-installer/target/ipodnano2g/iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin << will boot emcore, but fail due to the same problem
12:51 < [7]> [14:27] <user890104> if there's any problem with the file system it will offer you to format it and erase everything of course << at the FS level, that's true, but not at the FTL level
12:52 < [7]> [14:43] <[Saint]> reverted back to the "old version" of emBIOS? [14:43] <[Saint]> I'm confused. << the new one was only in RAM
12:52 < [Saint]> Ah.
12:53 < Retard> ah from here 2
12:53 < [7]> ok, so what is the current state?
12:53 < Retard> so its not actualy installing
12:53 < Retard> not
12:53 < [7]> yeah, it didn't get that far
12:53 < [7]> is it currently running embios or emcore?
12:54 < [7]> if embios, run embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin again
12:54 < Retard> ok status is im back to embios v 0.1.2 r206
12:54 < [7]> then you need to grab some other files:
12:54 < [7]> http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/emcore.py
12:54 < [7]> http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/libemcore.py
12:54 < Retard> have done and im at a white screen with "emCore v0.2.0 r 689"
12:54 < [7]> http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/libemcoredata.py
12:55 < [7]> http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/misc.py
12:55 < Retard> k
12:55 < [7]> then run emcore.py ipodnano2g_wipenand wipelog.bin
13:00 < Retard> Should I delete the Bios lib files I download earlyer ?
13:01 < [7]> should not be neccessary
13:03 < Retard> get an error http://www.pastie.org/1758597
13:04 < [7]> you apparently rebooted it again
13:04 < [7]> run embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin again
13:04 < [7]> then run emcore.py ipodnano2g_wipenand wipelog.bin
13:04 < Retard> k
13:06 < Retard> done
13:08 < Retard> still at white screen with emCore version
13:09 < Retard> status http://www.pastie.org/1758622
13:10 < [7]> emcore.py reset
13:10 < [7]> then *disconnect* it
13:10 < [7]> select disk mode
13:10 < [7]> wait until it reboots to the "no theme found" menu again
13:10 < [7]> connect it again
13:10 < [7]> embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin
13:10 < Retard> k
13:14 < Retard> 1 sec trying to close off itunes its trying to restore
13:15 < [7]> why did I say [15:10] <[7]> then *disconnect* it
13:16 < Retard> oops ;-)
13:17 < Retard> it worked The Seven your the bomb man if you were a chick ill kisss ya 
13:23 < Retard> oops did not work
13:24 < Retard> im stuck @ white screen with emCORE version
13:24 < Retard> I can get into diskmode 
13:25 < Retard> gana try what  TheSeven said again
13:25 < Retard> 7
13:34 < Retard> ok 7 just done all what you said again the device hangs at [15:10] <[7]> embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 iloader-installer-ipodnano2g-r689.bin no responce
13:35 < [7]> what's the display showing?
13:36 < Retard> the menu Uninstall iloader ect.
13:36 < [7]> hold menu+select for 5 seconds, wait until that menu comes up again, and retry the command
13:36 < [7]> does it fail again?
13:37 < Retard> it just freezes
13:37 < Retard> no responce
13:38 < [7]> without showing some emcore boot message on the display?
13:38 < [7]> if yes, try this file instead: http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20110325/installer-ipodnano2g-r674-20110325.ubi
13:39 < [7]> that's the latest official release
13:39 < Retard> yes will try
13:39 < [7]> what exactly does embios.py say before it locks up btw?
13:42 < Retard> http://www.pastie.org/1758739   ipod just freezes
13:45 < Retard> Ok tryed embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 installer-ipodnano2g-r674-20110325.ubi and im stuck at a white screen with emCORE version again
13:47 < [7]> hm, possibly another LCD where RGB888 on-the-fly dithering fails in a weird way
13:47 < Retard> bad news ?
13:47 < [7]> in that case you might want to stick with iloader for now
13:47 < [7]> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/ipodnano2g-installer0.2.1-iloader0.2.2-uninstaller0.2.0-embios0.1.4-embiosldr0.1.1-umsboot0.1.0-20101103-r250.bin
13:48 < Retard> downloaded
13:49 < Retard> should i run embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 ipodnano2g-installer0.2.1-iloader0.2.2-uninstaller0.2.0-embios0.1.4-embiosldr0.1.1-umsboot0.1.0-20101103-r250.bin
13:50 < [7]> yes
13:54 < Retard> got the welcome iloader screen but failed to access the data partition and wants to reformat. I presume I should format ?
13:56 < [7]> yep
13:58 < Retard> ok did im at a white screen do I restart menu + select ?
13:59 < [7]> during which part of the process?
13:59 < [7]> i.e. what was the last thing you saw?
14:00 < [7]> did it finish the flashing phase and then lock up with a white screen?
14:00 < [7]> in that case you should do a menu+select reset, yes
14:00 < Retard> yes
14:01 < [7]> some known bug of that stoneage code :)
14:04 < Retard> lol it is working I get to the Menu / more options but when i go in to any i.e rockbox I get iLoader - no config file! then power off ect.
14:12 < [7]> well, you'll need to install rockbox first :)
14:14 < Retard> Thanks to all for the excellent help man you oks helped out alot. alls well in my little buble gota go home now -- AGAIN THANKS
14:15 < Retard> bubble
14:15 < Retard> oops
14:15 < Retard> man all I can say this was alot of fun realy learnt alot
14:18 < Retard> just a pitty I cant run emCORE ;-( you cant have your cake and eat it I guess
14:19 < [7]> well, if anybody can tell me what's going on with those funky lcds, i'll be happy to fix it
14:20 < [7]> if you want to help, can you check what your LCD type is?
14:21 < [7]> you can see that in diagnostics mode, go to others => status and press the center button to go to the second page
14:21 < Retard> WIll I need to open it I hope so man that will be fun
14:21 < [7]> there should be two LCD_DETECT lines
14:21 < [7]> no, you won't need to open it :P
14:21 < [7]> reassembling those things without breaking them is not trivial
14:22 < [7]> my LCD suffered badly from the one time where I had to disassemble it to fix it
14:22 < Retard> lcd 07/01/05 v.0155
14:23 < [7]> what is that? the diagmode version?
14:23 < Retard> is that what you need
14:23 < [7]> apparently not
14:23 < Retard> mmmm
14:23 < [7]> [16:21] <[7]> you can see that in diagnostics mode, go to others => status and press the center button to go to the second page
14:23 < [7]> [16:21] <[7]> there should be two LCD_DETECT lines
14:24 < [7]> i'd guess they are LCD_DETECT0:0, LCD_DETECT1:1
14:24 < [7]> which would mean ilitek :/
14:25  * [7] has the leadis one (0:1, 1:0)
14:26 < Retard> OK I go to Menu / More options the rockbox because rockbox at installed I get iLoader - no confi file with a menu one of them is diagmone
14:26 < Retard> I have not installed rock box yet
14:30 < Retard> OK I really need to go TheSeven as soon as I get home Ill get the information you need
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18:33 < Trashcat> Hi all
18:39 < Trashcat> I have installed an older version of embios on my ipod classic 6G along with rockbox. I will regularly get freeze ups on connect to usb so I would like to upgrade embios to emCore after much trouble i was able to get it to connect in the umsboot menu and mounted it in linux where I dragged and dropped the latest .ubi file version into it but once i safely discconnected and restarted my ipod I didnt see any sort of set u
18:40 < [7]> you should not restart your ipod
18:41 < [7]> and your message was truncated because it was too long
18:41 < [7]> and i'm afraid that upgrading to emcore is not likely to solve your rockbox problems
18:44 < Trashcat> well thank you for your time
18:45 < Trashcat> So once copy emcore to umsboot partition should I just disconnect and wait?
18:49 < [7]> it should boot an installer after disconnecting
18:50 < [7]> so you should see that it's doing something on the ipod's display
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22:41 < AJB540> hi, i'm trying to install this on my iPod Classic, and when I go to install RockBox, my iPod just has an empty emCORE menu
22:42 < AJB540> Following these instructions: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/DFUiTunes
22:42 < TheSeven> what is an "empty emcore menu"?
22:43 < AJB540> it just says emcore, then the version number
22:43 < AJB540> and that's it
22:43 < TheSeven> has there been any third-party code on that ipod before, or is it an initial installation?
22:43 < AJB540> initial instal
22:43 < TheSeven> and the installation process succeeded until which point exactly?
22:45 < AJB540> i put the .ubi file onto the UMSboot volume
22:45 < AJB540> then ejected and unplugged the iPod
22:45 < AJB540> and can't go any further than that
22:46 < AJB540> as soon as i eject the volume, my ipod turns to a screen that just says emCORE v0.2.0 r674
22:47 < TheSeven> ok, so the installation hasn't even started
22:47 < TheSeven> might be an exceptionally unstable ipod that crashes immediately when reducing vcore
22:47 < AJB540> ah
22:48 < AJB540> would resetting it through iTunes help possibly?
22:49 < TheSeven> nope
22:49 < AJB540> bummer
22:49 < TheSeven> what might help is a new release that isn't as aggressive
22:50 < [Saint]> TheSeven: Don't you have a reset-voltages .init file floating around?
22:50 < TheSeven> won't help if the installer crashes
22:50 < AJB540> I just ran through again, and noticed that when I ran the bootstrap file, the command window says Error 31: A device attached to the system is not functioning
22:50 < [Saint]> Or, is that not for this particular mess?
22:50 < TheSeven> [Saint]: only helps if there are glitches, but it manages to boot up to that point
22:50 < [Saint]> Ah, right.
22:51 < TheSeven> AJB540: that's normal, windows doesn't like the device to just disappear
22:51 < [Saint]> Oh...derp, yes..of course.
22:51 < [Saint]> it can't boot the .init file bore it's actually booted, let alone installed.
22:51 < [Saint]> *before.
22:51  * [Saint] is having a blonde day
22:51  * TheSeven decides to release the fixpack right here and now
22:52 < [Saint]> seems you're in luck AJB540 :D
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23:16 < AJB540> so my powerstrip just decided to stop working
23:16 < AJB540> looks like i'm going to have to wait for a new release though?
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