--- Log opened Sat Apr 09 00:28:38 2011 00:28 -!- skfunnyboy [18ca6018@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.202.96.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29 -!- Smoko [~Smoko@smokedev.com] has joined #freemyipod-support 01:37 < Smoko> Hi. Is it possible to dual boot Rockbox and the stock iPod Classic software? 01:38 < Smoko> Oh nevermind, I just got around to reading the Rockbox TargetStatus page and it says the answer is no. 01:45 < user890104> yep, that's correct (at least for now) 02:06 -!- TheSeven [~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:10 -!- TheSeven [~TheSeven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #freemyipod-support 03:48 -!- [Saint] [~st.lasciv@124-197-14-130.callplus.net.nz] has joined #freemyipod-support 07:45 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 08:37 < [Saint]> TheSeven: Farthen: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic is mighty confusing IMO 08:38 < [Saint]> it aks if you're using a third party FW, then it asks in you see anything else but an Apple logo, the second question is irrelevant. 08:41 < [Saint]> Hmmm..ok, it might not be as confusing as I imagined. The second question is still irrelevant though. 08:57 -!- [Saint] [~st.lasciv@124-197-14-130.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:01 -!- [Saint] [~st.lasciv@124-197-14-130.callplus.net.nz] has joined #freemyipod-support 11:05 < TheSeven> [Saint]: "Does that third party firmware offer you a way to run "UMSboot"?" or which one? 11:12 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has joined #freemyipod-support 12:02 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:11 < Farthen> [Saint]: the second question is for those who are not sure whether they already have a 3rd party software installed or not 12:18 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 12:48 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:43 -!- hanks [~laimun@bb121-7-97-205.singnet.com.sg] has joined #freemyipod-support 13:45 < hanks> hi anyone here 13:46 < benedikt93> possibly yes. "Please just ask your question directly and don't 'ask to ask' " 13:46 < hanks> yea 13:46 < hanks> just want to ask how do I use emcore? 13:48 < Farthen> hanks: which ipod? 13:49 < hanks> nano 2g 13:49 < Farthen> what do you have on it at the moment? 13:50 < hanks> nothin 13:53 < TheSeven> well, you must have *something* on it 13:53 < TheSeven> you mean that no third party code was installed so far? 13:54 < Farthen> hanks: how did you manage to brick it in like 2 minutes? 13:54 < hanks> ok 13:54 < hanks> heres the issue 13:54 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 13:54 < hanks> I used embios 13:54 < hanks> and the thing kinda bricked my nano 2g 13:55 < hanks> so now I want to get back to where I was before 13:55 < hanks> so I was hoping the new firmware could help 13:55 < TheSeven> can you describe "kinda bricked" with a bit more detail? 13:55 < hanks> how about a photo? 13:56 < hanks> just give me a min 13:56 < TheSeven> for example, or just a description of what it is (or isn't) doing 13:56 < hanks> it doesnt show me anything useful 13:57 < hanks> all it does is show "connected via recovery mode, connect via usb" 13:57 < hanks> is there a recovery mode? 13:57 < hanks> *entered recovery mode 13:57 < TheSeven> that basically means that the hold switch was locked during boot? 13:58 < hanks> yes 13:58 < hanks> had to do that to get this 13:58 < hanks> or else it would just show loading embios indefinitely 13:58 < Farthen> switch the hold switch off and press menu+select for 5 seconds 13:58 < Farthen> ah 13:59 < hanks> yea thats about it 13:59 < hanks> witch the hold switch off and press menu+select for 5 seconds = "loading embios" indefininely 14:01 < hanks> how now? 14:02 < TheSeven> hanks: try resetting (menu+select) it once again, then wait like 5 seconds, press the left button three times and then the center button 14:02 < TheSeven> does it power off? 14:02 < TheSeven> if yes, it's probably yet another LCD driver issue 14:02 < TheSeven> if not... well, corrupted flash image? that would need further diagnosis to tell for sure 14:03 < hanks> no power off 14:04 < TheSeven> hm, funny 14:04 < TheSeven> any unusual behavior during the installation? 14:04 < TheSeven> did it reboot to that "loading embios" screen and got stuck immediately after installation? 14:04 < TheSeven> how did you install it in the first place? 14:05 < TheSeven> is this an initial installation or an upgrade from iloader/embios? 14:05 < hanks> yea 14:05 < hanks> you are right 14:05 < hanks> got stuck there 14:05 < hanks> initial install 14:05 < hanks> I used to use iloader 14:05 < [Saint]> ah, so not an initial install 14:05 < hanks> but I erased it completely after 2 days 14:06 < hanks> it worked great 14:06 < hanks> but I tried embios and this happens 14:06 < TheSeven> did you completely uninstall iloader? 14:06 < hanks> yea 14:06 < hanks> hidden files everything 14:06 < TheSeven> and then you re-installed emcore through ipodpatcher? 14:07 < hanks> have not tried emcore 14:07 < hanks> how does it work? 14:07 < TheSeven> eh? 14:07 < TheSeven> aren't you complaining about emcore failing to boot after installation? 14:07 < hanks> theres no instructions for emcore 14:07 < hanks> emcore is new? 14:07 < hanks> I installed EMBIOS 14:07 < hanks> the old one 14:08 < hanks> that was 3 months ago 14:08 < TheSeven> oh, so you mean that an old *iloader* installation brought it into that state, and now you want to upgrade to emcore? 14:09 < TheSeven> so what you did was basically install iloader, remove files, uninstall iloader, use apple firmware, install another iloader version, and then the problem came up? 14:09 < hanks> install iloader, remove files, uninstall iloader, use apple firmware then installed EMBIOS 14:10 < hanks> I have no problem with iloader 14:10 < hanks> embios is the issue here 14:10 < hanks> embios basically wiped out my apple firmware 14:10 < TheSeven> well, there is no such thing as a standalone embios installer 14:11 < TheSeven> the only forms that embios was ever released in were kernel images (that you can't install that way), and the iloader installer 14:11 < TheSeven> embios is the kernel the more recent iloader versions are running on 14:12 < hanks> oops 14:12 < hanks> lets try this 14:12 < TheSeven> to be exact, all iloader builds since 2010-08-29 are based on embios 14:12 < hanks> I used iloader when it was in ibugger stage 14:12 < hanks> it worked fine 14:13 < hanks> then i tried iloader when it used embios 14:13 < hanks> my ipod nano got bricked 14:13 < hanks> theres the main story 14:15 < TheSeven> do you know which exact version it was that you tried to install? 14:15 < TheSeven> if not, do you know when (approximately) you did download it? 14:16 < hanks> v 0.1.1 r206 14:16 < hanks> quite long ago 14:16 < hanks> possibly the first time when it came out 14:17 < hanks> i was hoping this was better than ibugger-powered iloader 14:18 < TheSeven> well, there was never an ibugger-powered iloader either 14:18 < TheSeven> before we moved to embios, iloader was a standalone operating system, and the installer and uninstaller were one as well 14:20 < hanks> ok 14:20 < hanks> I understand 14:20 < hanks> is there anyway to get back the apple firmware? 14:20 < hanks> I dont mind using the command line 14:20 < TheSeven> hm, so assuming that this is the result of a failed flashing operation or whatever, recovery might be a bit tricky 14:20 < TheSeven> do you have access to a linux system? 14:21 < hanks> mac 14:21 < hanks> I use a mac 14:21 < TheSeven> oh 14:21 < TheSeven> well, doing it on linux is relatively simple 14:22 < TheSeven> making the neccessary drivers work on windows is rather complicated 14:22 < TheSeven> but i'm not sure if the neccessary tools run on mac os at all 14:22 < hanks> I try 14:22 < hanks> what tools? 14:23 < Farthen> you don't have access to a linux system? 14:23 < TheSeven> the first step would be to make sure that you have python 2.6 or 2.7 installed, and installing pyusb >=1.0.0a0 14:24 < hanks> ok 14:24 < hanks> then? 14:27 < TheSeven> then you need to grab some files from us and run some python scripts 14:30 < hanks> sure 14:30 < hanks> what files 14:36 < hanks> ? 14:37 < TheSeven> an emcore installer UBI file and the embiosldr.py and libembiosldr.py files 14:38 < Elfish> turning the entire display/lcd-screen off is not supported by rockbox right? 14:38 < TheSeven> Elfish: not yet, on the ipod classic 14:41 < Elfish> is it due emcore or rockbox itself? 14:41 < TheSeven> it's due to nobody having written the neccessary code yet 14:42 < hanks> where do I grab these files? 14:42 < hanks> URL? 14:42 < TheSeven> http://svn.freemyipod.org/!svn/bc/670/embios/trunk/tools/ 14:42 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20110406/installer-ipodnano2g-r692-20110406.ubi 14:47 < hanks> ok now what 14:50 < Farthen> open terminal and cd to the directory where you downloaded the stuff to 14:51 < Farthen> then type "python embiosldr.py run installer-ipodnano2g-r692-20110406.ubi" 14:55 < hanks> oops 14:55 < hanks> ImportError: Bad magic number in /Users/laimun/usb.pyc 14:56 < Farthen> why do you have usb.py in your uder directory? 14:56 < Farthen> *user 14:56 < hanks> ook 14:57 < hanks> let me just move the file 14:57 < Farthen> and you are sure you installed pyusb correctly? 14:58 < hanks> Traceback (most recent call last): 14:58 < hanks> File "embiosldr.py", line 79, in 14:58 < hanks> dev = libembiosldr.embiosldr() 14:58 < hanks> File "/Users/laimun/Desktop/libembiosldr.py", line 52, in __init__ 14:58 < hanks> raise Exception("Could not find specified device (generation = %d)" % generation) 14:58 < hanks> Exception: Could not find specified device (generation = 0) 14:58 < hanks> this happens 14:59 < Farthen> can you type "python" with no arguments? 14:59 < hanks> wait 14:59 < hanks> Im getting something 14:59 < hanks> usb.core.USBError: Operation timed out 14:59 < hanks> this happens 14:59 < hanks> I got lots of lines 15:00 < hanks> then this is the last line 15:00 < Farthen> your ipod is plugged in and in recovery mode? 15:00 < hanks> yep 15:00 < Farthen> ok, please run python without any argument 15:00 < Farthen> and then type: 15:00 < Farthen> import usb.core 15:01 < hanks> it works 15:01 < Farthen> usb.core.find(find_all=True) 15:01 < hanks> I have installed it 15:01 < Farthen> and tell me what it returns 15:01 < hanks> [, , , , ] 15:01 < Farthen> ok 15:03 < Farthen> usb.core.find(idVendor=0xFFFF, idProduct=0xE112) 15:04 < hanks> it doesnt work when I used your previous python command with the ipodnano2g command but it works when I put it back to a new recovery mode again 15:04 < hanks> usb.core.find(idVendor=0xFFFF, idProduct=0xE112) gives 15:05 < Farthen> ok 15:05 < Farthen> at least it detects your device 15:05 < Farthen> please do "exit()" 15:06 < hanks> done 15:07 < Farthen> python embiosldr.py upload 08000000 installer-ipodnano2g-r692-20110406.ubi 15:08 < hanks> usb.core.USBError: Operation timed out 15:12 < hanks> I have put it into a new recovery mode again 15:13 < Farthen> i will try increasing the timeout and then i will give you a new link 15:13 < hanks> k 15:19 < Farthen> please replace libembiosldr.py with this file: http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/libembiosldr.py 15:19 < Farthen> and then try again 15:24 < hanks> thx 15:31 < hanks> ouch 15:31 < hanks> timed out again 15:33 < Farthen> i'd really suggest you to somehow get access to a linux box. i need to adjust the scripts to run on mac os x but for now i can't help you 15:34 < hanks> any other methods? 15:34 < hanks> how about using the bin file? 15:35 < Farthen> it is the same 15:35 < Farthen> only a different file extension 15:35 < Farthen> that wouldn't help at all. i'm sorry, but i need to fix the scripts when i get access to a mac 15:36 < hanks> ooh 15:36 < hanks> but I rmb this is platform independent? 15:36 < hanks> I mean python 15:37 < Farthen> it is but there is some issue on mac os x that i don't understand yet 15:37 < hanks> ouch 15:38 < Farthen> it was not tested on mac os x yet, only on linux and windows 15:38 < hanks> the script works? 15:38 < Farthen> it does work for linux and windows 15:38 < Farthen> it does not work on mac os x yetr 15:38 < Farthen> *yet 15:39 < hanks> whats supposed to happpen? 15:39 < Farthen> it should run the emcore installer which would fix your problem 15:39 < hanks> i see 15:39 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: mov pc, lr] 15:39 < hanks> anyone on the team has a mac? 15:40 < Farthen> do you have a friend who has a linux/windows computer? 15:41 < hanks> nope 15:41 < Farthen> you don't know anyone with windows or linux? 15:41 < hanks> I could try to get my hands on one 15:43 < Farthen> the other possibility would be to wait. but i don't know how long it would take us to fix it 15:44 < hanks> no worries 15:44 < hanks> you can email me when you are done 15:44 < hanks> i dont mind waiting 15:44 < hanks> my email: straw000@gmail.com 15:44 < TheSeven> Farthen: do you know if this loader is still using the 528 transfer size, or was that changed to 512? 15:44 < TheSeven> yay, the spambots will be happy... 15:44 < hanks> how do I find out 15:46 < Farthen> TheSeven: i don't know 15:46 -!- user890104 [~Venci@6bez10.info] has quit [] 15:46 < hanks> one qn: how do I increase the timeout duration? 15:46 < hanks> which line of the code is it 15:46 < TheSeven> self.maxin = 528; 15:46 < TheSeven> self.maxout = 528 15:46 < TheSeven> that might be the problem 15:47 < Farthen> you may be right 15:47 < Farthen> hanks: can you change it yourself? 15:47 < hanks> yea 15:48 < hanks> I know some basic python 15:48 < TheSeven> change those values to 512, and re-run python embiosldr.py run installer-*.ubi 15:48 < TheSeven> someone should clean that up on the loader side as well 15:50 < hanks> k 15:52 < hanks> usb.core.USBError: Operation timed out 15:53 -!- user890104 [d4e9ef13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.239.19] has joined #freemyipod-support 15:54 < TheSeven> hm, now i'm pretty much out of ideas 15:54 < TheSeven> you could try booting a linux live cd on your mac and fixing it from there :) 15:55 < Farthen> probably the best thing you could try 15:56 < hanks> ook 15:57 < hanks> but if you ever do get around fixing this could you email me? 15:57 < hanks> thanks for all the help 15:57 < Farthen> i'll note your email. i hope that i remember to send the email 16:00 < hanks> I still have the bin file from last time 16:00 < hanks> is it possbiile to write the apple firmware onto the ipod? 16:01 < Farthen> at the moment you can't do anything but wait or get access to a linux box 16:02 < hanks> ok then 16:02 < hanks> thanks for all the help 16:05 -!- user890104 [d4e9ef13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.239.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:09 -!- user890104 [d4e9ef13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.239.19] has joined #freemyipod-support 16:13 -!- user890104_ [d4e9ef13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.239.19] has joined #freemyipod-support 16:14 -!- user890104 [d4e9ef13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.239.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15 -!- user890104_ is now known as user890104 16:23 -!- hanks [~laimun@bb121-7-97-205.singnet.com.sg] has left #freemyipod-support 17:13 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #freemyipod-support 18:12 < [Saint]> what the hell?!? 18:13 < [Saint]> why doesn't this version of emCORE not have UMSboot? 18:13 < TheSeven> which one? 18:13 < TheSeven> in the newer versions it was moved to the tools menu 18:13 < [Saint]> 674 18:14 < [Saint]> also, shutting it down via the "power" button leaves *NASTY* residual effects on the LCD 18:14 < TheSeven> that should have been mitigated in r692 18:15 < [Saint]> Oh? 18:15 < [Saint]> nice. 18:15 < [Saint]> I'm upgrading now, or trying to...but I couldn't find UMSboot ;) 18:15 < TheSeven> it just didn't allow the LCD enough time to actually clear the pixels before powering it off 18:15 < [Saint]> so, where is it? 18:15 < TheSeven> a few milliseconds of delay did the trick 18:15 < TheSeven> should be in the tools menu? 18:16 < [Saint]> uh oh... 18:16 -!- mitch928 [cfb7b4f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.183.180.247] has joined #freemyipod-support 18:16 -!- mitch928 [cfb7b4f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.183.180.247] has left #freemyipod-support 18:16 < [Saint]> There's *nothing* in the tools menu :/ 18:17 < [Saint]> it opens an empty black square for a brief period and then the player powers off with the screen slowly fading out. 18:18 < Farthen> how did you manage to do that? 18:18 * [Saint] shrugs 18:18 < Farthen> TheSeven: libui bug? 18:19 < [Saint]> it's news to me. I've no reason to go pissing around in the tools menu, I'd quite literally never opened it before I don't think. I was used to UMSboot being on the er, desktop? 18:20 < [Saint]> oh, hey...there we go. If I open up tools and start scrolling immediately, I can see the menu selection behind the bar and it doesn't crash. 18:20 < [Saint]> nice. 18:21 < TheSeven> weirdo 18:21 * TheSeven accuses [Saint] of triggering really strange bugs 18:21 < TheSeven> well, the tools menu was introduced to take care of all those rarely used options shortly before the initial release, as 12 iconflow icons would not be easy to navigate 18:22 < [Saint]> Ah, fair enough. I look at it from a "fastboot" POV, so if I want to navigate 12 iconflow thingies I've specifically chosen to. 18:23 < [Saint]> but, it's understandable to clean it up, fastboot isn't default. 18:24 < [Saint]> I can reproduce it, fwiw...this tools menu crash thing. I've done it a good 3 times now. 18:24 < TheSeven> another point was certainly that I didn't bother to create 12 icons 18:24 < [Saint]> If I don't start scrolling immediately, the screen goes weird and crashes. 18:24 < [Saint]> but *just* for the tools menu. 18:24 < [Saint]> everything else is fine. 18:24 < [Saint]> I'll try updating. 18:25 < TheSeven> interesting... i can't reproduce it at all 18:26 < [Saint]> lets hope flashing a new one fixes it and it's no longer a problem then ;) 18:28 < [Saint]> Tools > fixed, LCD > fixed. 18:28 < [Saint]> nice. 18:29 < [Saint]> I haven't made it crash on the desktop scrolly thing yet either, which is pretty cool. Even that last build with the slight weirdness with tools seemed a lot more stable in that regard. 19:05 < user890104> [Saint]: crashing on the desktop might have been caused by the number of icons 19:08 < user890104> oh ... fail - just locked up while on the menu 19:09 < user890104> but it has survived about 2 or 3 minutes before crashing 19:10 -!- user890104 [d4e9ef13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.233.239.19] has quit [] 19:16 -!- user890104 [~Venci@6bez10.info] has joined #freemyipod-support 20:12 -!- alderz [~alderz@75.Red-88-20-211.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:55 -!- F4LL0U7 [635cb23a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.92.178.58] has joined #freemyipod-support 20:55 < F4LL0U7> Hey everyone 20:56 < F4LL0U7> It says to just ask my question, so I will. 20:56 < F4LL0U7> I'm attempting to load RockBox/EmCORE on my iPod Classic 1G, 80GB 20:56 < F4LL0U7> The sans-iTunes method 20:58 < TheSeven> let me guess, "invalid parameter" when installing the driver? 20:58 < F4LL0U7> The custom driver installs fine in Windows 7. However, when I run the bootstrap exe, it says "Could not open DFU device" and "Error 3: The system cannon find the specified path" 20:59 < F4LL0U7> Nope, driver installs fine. But the DFU device can't be detected, and nothing mounts. 20:59 < TheSeven> "The system cannon find the specified path" sounds like a message from the itunes-based tool? 20:59 < F4LL0U7> Well, it does mount because I can hear the sound confirmation. But nothing appears in the Computer folder 21:00 < F4LL0U7> That's the message that is displayed in the bootstrap_ipodclassic_itunes.exe 21:00 < F4LL0U7> Shit...did I grab the wrong file? 21:00 < TheSeven> which is obviously the wrong tool, if you don't have itunes installed 21:00 < F4LL0U7> God damn it I'm an idiot 21:01 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/bootstrap_ipodclassic.exe is what you need 21:01 < TheSeven> i have no idea where you found the other one, it shouldn't be linked in the non-itunes parts of the wizard 21:02 < F4LL0U7> Well there we go. That worked. Sorry for bothering you but it looks like I'm on my way again. 21:02 < F4LL0U7> Thanks for the pointer 21:17 -!- F4LL0U7 [635cb23a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.92.178.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:55 -!- benedikt93 [~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93] has quit [Quit: Welcome to the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men and the children are agents of the FBI] --- Log closed Sun Apr 10 02:04:35 2011