--- Log opened Mon Apr 11 00:01:37 2011
00:01 < ix> Hi! I am trying to install Rockbox on a 120GB iPod Classic via the wizard on http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic. I've turned it off completely, and tried running the bootstrapping command according to the guide. I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/zA2aJZaN. Any ideas? :-)
00:03 < [Saint]> where in the instructions does it reference turning the iPod off?
00:04 < ix> That was what I found counterintuitive. It specifically says "Press and HOLD the Menu+Select buttons for about 15 seconds. At first the iPod might start, if its not started already. Second it will reboot (emCORE/emBIOS/iLoader) will show-up, keep holding the Menu+Select buttons untill the screen goes all dark."
00:04 < [Saint]> this id DFU mode.
00:05 < [Saint]> If you're turning the iPod off...you're doing it wrong.
00:05 < [Saint]> *s/id/is/
00:06 < ix> Aha. Apparently I've held the button for too long (I failed to see the screen going black before it turned off). I assumed that the guide was right, and it was powered on by some sort of USB event.
00:06 < ix> I'll put it in DFU mode. Thanks! :-)
00:09 < [Saint]> If you hold menu+select, the iPod will reset and at this stage it is important to keep holding menu+select continuosly. The Apple logo will appear briefly and dissappear, eventually the screen will settle on an all black (yet still powered) state.
00:09 < [Saint]> this is DFU mode.
00:12 < ix> Hm. How do I restart the whole process? I.e. exiting DFU mode or powering the iPod on if it is completely powered off.
00:13 < ix> Aha. It's in DFU mode, all right.
00:14 < ix> http://pastebin.com/b1DXCgzy
00:19 < ix> Same error, though. Does the "Upload: [..] failed: 2/7" mean that it actually has been able to upload some code before it failed?
00:21 < ix> (Note that I installed python-usb via the package manager, version 0.4.2-2+b1 - might this be the cause?)
00:27 < ix> ... Actually, I don't /have/ to do this now, but does the error message indicate that I shouldn't exit DFU mode?
00:47 < [Saint]> what OS are you on ix?
00:49 < ix> Debian GNU/Linux, 64-bit.
00:49 < [Saint]> IIUC, you shouldn't need to have installed pyusb
00:49 < [Saint]> python and pyusb *should* be present already.
00:50 < ix> I just noticed that I was wrong - I do have some 1.x version installed.
00:50 < [Saint]> yes, and that is the version the tools are designed for.
00:50 < ix> Still, I get the same error.
00:51 < [Saint]> This may well be the infamous "ehci module" bug, though that would be speculation, do you have easy access to a windows machine by any chance?
00:52 < ix> Not where I am right now, but that could be arranged. :-)
00:53 < ix> Should I keep the 'pod in DFU mode until then?
00:54 < [Saint]> It's not necessary to, no.
00:54 < [Saint]> At this point in stage it should be quite happy to boot back into the Apple firmware as though nothing happened to it.
00:55 < ix> Worked wonderfully. Phew!
00:56 < ix> (I am well aware of, and accept the fact, that I might brick it, by the way.)
00:57 < [Saint]> At this point, unless the tools are used for purposes other than their intention, it should be possible to recover the device from the fail states that may arise during installation.
00:57 < [Saint]> But, thankyou for being aware of the disclaimer ;)
00:58 < [Saint]> The only person I know of that seriously hurt their classic so far, did so of their own accord. And the device was still able to be recovered thanks to TheSeven.
00:59 < [Saint]> iTunes just thinks it's a different model Classic than it actually is now.
00:59 < ix> Hahah.
00:59 < [Saint]> But, that guy was pretty much asking to break his device.
00:59 < ix> I think I should read up a bit on the bootloader.
01:01 < ix> Could retreiving (lib)ipoddfu.py from SVN make a difference, by the way?
01:09 < ix> Oh, the files were quite old. Probably the same.
01:09 < ix> Windows machine it is, then. Thanks for all your help!
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09:48 < TheSeven> [02:01] <ix> Hi! I am trying to install Rockbox on a 120GB iPod Classic via the wizard on http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic. I've turned it off completely, and tried running the bootstrapping command according to the guide. I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/zA2aJZaN. Any ideas? :-) << well, same issue like 10 lines above in the logs :)
09:49 < TheSeven> [02:06] <ix> Aha. Apparently I've held the button for too long (I failed to see the screen going black before it turned off). I assumed that the guide was right, and it was powered on by some sort of USB event. << that was correct
09:49 < TheSeven> [02:09] <[Saint]> If you hold menu+select, the iPod will reset and at this stage it is important to keep holding menu+select continuosly. The Apple logo will appear briefly and dissappear, eventually the screen will settle on an all black (yet still powered) state. << no, the screen will be powered down. the only sign that the ipod is still powered up will be usb activity
09:50 < TheSeven> [02:49] <[Saint]> IIUC, you shouldn't need to have installed pyusb << pyusb often isn't installed by defaukt
09:50 < TheSeven> default*
09:51 < TheSeven> [02:51] <[Saint]> This may well be the infamous "ehci module" bug, though that would be speculation, do you have easy access to a windows machine by any chance? << nope, this bug doesn't seem to cause dfu trouble
09:52 < TheSeven> to quote the solution again:
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:11] <dwarflemur> I'm trying to install EmCORE to my ipod classis 6.5G
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:12] <dwarflemur> but when I run "sudo python ipoddfu.py bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu"
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:12] <dwarflemur> I get the error "Exception: DFU upload failed! (2 / 7)"
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:14] <TheSeven> there seems to be a problem with that file, use an old one instead: http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20110325/bootstrap-ipodclassic-r674-20110325.dfu
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:14] <TheSeven> i have absolutely no clue what the difference is though
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:15] <TheSeven> the only obvious difference between the files is the SVN revision number
09:52 < TheSeven> [01:16] <dwarflemur> ooh, that one worked, thanks
10:10 < user890104> TheSeven: i've added that solution to the Releases page
10:13 < TheSeven> yeah, i've seen that
10:13 < TheSeven> was about to do the same thing :)
10:17 < user890104> do you have any idea about the question i asked in #freemyipod ~2 hrs. ago?
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12:28 < ix> TheSeven: [Saint]: Ah, glad to know there is a solution. I just did the first stage on Windows via VirtualBox', though. Worked like a charm!
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15:27 < TheSeven> this is really weird as the windows tool is supposed to upload the very same payload
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15:53 < user890104> TheSeven: is the file size multiple of 4?
15:53 < TheSeven> the only obvious difference between the working and non-working difference is the svn revision number string
15:54 < TheSeven> so there are exactly 2 bytes different in the payload (length is the same)
15:54 < TheSeven> this of course affects the signatures as well, but I have no idea how those could be broken
15:55 < user890104> if this worked on a 3g nano, i would give it a try on mine
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17:28 < TheSeven> it doesn't
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20:15 < Fuzzy530> Would anyone here have any idea what would make an iPod automatically eject itself almost immediately after plugging it in? Mine [120Gb] keeps doing that every time I plug it in, no matter what computer, or cable I use.
20:16 < Fuzzy530> I've read of it happening to people who haven't "Rock'ed" their iPods but not sure if it happens to anyone else...
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20:26 < Farthen> Fuzzy530: you don't have rockbox/emcore installed?
20:27 < TheSeven> Fuzzy530: sounds like itunes is the most likely cause
20:27 < Farthen> yeah, you may enable "enable disk use" or something like that
20:32 < TheSeven> or just kill it completely
20:32 < TheSeven> i've heard people claiming that it refuses to see the ipod because it ejects it immediately itselc
20:32 < TheSeven> itself*
20:34 < Fuzzy530> I have Rockbox/Emcore installed. Still does it.
20:37 < TheSeven> does it only happen on one pc?
20:42 < Fuzzy530> No. I'm trying it currently with a comp @ school. Same results.
20:43 < TheSeven> strange
20:43 < TheSeven> same results with the apple firmware, disk mode and rockbox?
20:44 < Fuzzy530> I don't know how to fallback to apple, or I'd try it.
20:45 < TheSeven> oh, i interpreted that you installed rockbox in an attempt to resolve this
20:46 < Fuzzy530> No. LOL! I was using emBIOS til the change to emCore.
20:46 < TheSeven> so it refuses to mount on multiple windows machines?
20:46 < TheSeven> that would be really strange
20:46 < TheSeven> but rockbox shows the usb logo until you unplug it?
20:47 < Fuzzy530> Usually [99% of time]. sometimes it freezes on the usb screen.
20:47  * TheSeven is confused
20:48 < TheSeven> sounds like your PC keeps sending it an eject command
20:49 < Fuzzy530> I was thinking that was the case too. but it happens on the school computer, too.
20:49 < Fuzzy530> quite frustrating.
20:50 < TheSeven> hm, i can only think of two options now:
20:50 < TheSeven> - do some usb bus sniffing to check what's actually going on
20:50 < TheSeven> - uninstall emcore/rockbox and check if it happens with the apple firmware as well
20:51 < Fuzzy530> ok. How do I revert to apple? I can't find any way to do so.
20:53 < TheSeven> well, restore using itunes
20:53 < TheSeven> i'd assume that it doesn't show this weird behavior if the ipod is in dfu mode
20:55 < Fuzzy530> ... That's another thing. I can't seem to get DFU mode to come up. [thanks for reminding me!]
20:57 < TheSeven> just press menu+select for between 10 and 15 seconds
20:57 < TheSeven> no matter what the ipod does during that time, keep holding the buttons
20:57 < TheSeven> oh, and usb needs to be connected
21:00 < Fuzzy530> itunes found it, and is reinstalling...
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21:14 < Fuzzy530> okay, it just restarted, and says it's connected....
21:17 < Fuzzy530> and so far, no auto-eject...
21:18 < Fuzzy530> so, is it a possibility that my iPod doesn't like Rockbox/emcore, in a manner of speaking?
21:19 < Fuzzy530> or maybe a glitch in upgrading?
21:19 < TheSeven> i still don't really understand what's going on, as I can't reproduce it
21:20 < TheSeven> it seems to be some kind of weird behavior both on the ipod and pc side that accumulates
21:23 < Fuzzy530> Maybe if I gave a rough timeline of events, it might help... ? Started around February, with the initial alpha release. If I can get an email, I have to run to catch a bus pretty soon.
21:23 < Fuzzy530> *email address.
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