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02:08 < jake_> im trying to use this on my classic 6g 80GB ipod but i follow the wizard to a t but everytime the ipod restarts as an ipod not as a DFU driver
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03:27 < dannyc123> when i run Rockbox, i get an "ata error: -11". i know I need to update Rockbox, but i can't get ubuntu to detect/access the ipod now. advice?
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03:38 < chris_____> Hi, I was installing rockbox through the emcore installer. got to where I hold menu & center button, got into dfu mode. cant get the driver to install though
03:38 < chris_____> cant get out of dfu mode either. help would be helpful
03:40 < chris_____> getting a "parameter is incorrect" error after trying to install driver. ipod is classic series 2 (120gb)
03:49 < chris_____> sucessfully exited dfu mode
03:49 < chris_____> going to install itunes rather than standalone dfu drivers as it isn't working
03:50 < chris_____> Will this wipe all data currently on ipod?
04:03 < [Saint]> es.
04:03 < [Saint]> Yes, rather
04:03 < [Saint]> All your data will be wiped.
04:03 < [Saint]> So, back it up or lose it.
04:04  * [Saint] is pretty sure the installation instructions actually state that.
04:05 < [Saint]> chris_____: ^]
04:05 < [Saint]> -]
04:10 < chris_____> Ah, okay I had heard that but not actually seen it anywhere. Music is backed up, had a look and nothin else worthwhile
04:12 < chris_____> would you happen to know if the current build of rockbox for Classic supports drag and drop? mostly doing this to get rid of itunes/sync stuff.
04:52 < [Saint]> If USB works, then, yes.
04:52 < [Saint]> There's a reasonably high chance that you'll be unable to mount it under a Windows machine though.
04:56 < [Saint]> And, it *only* supports drag&drop, btw.
04:57 < [Saint]> Since you're wiping out the Original Firmware, and completely reformatting the device losing all data, there's no way you could sync music any other way.
04:58 < [Saint]> As far as iTunes is concerned, it's not an iPod after this (this can be reverted of course, via un-installation)
05:01 < chris_____> Thanks for the info.  It can't mount under windows at all though, or is it a toss up? running win7 x64 if thats helpful. Will I have better luck with a ubuntu live cd do you think?
05:05 < [Saint]> It's a toss up. It will either "just work", or fail to mount.
05:06 < [Saint]> So far I believe there's been more success cases than failures in this department, but it's still a reasonable likelyhood.
05:08 < chris_____> Ah. Okay, thanks for that. I think I'll give it a shot, and if needed I'll drop music while with an ubuntu livecd. do you have this running on a classic? if so, do you think it's worth it?
05:22 < [Saint]> I don't have it running on a Classic myself personally, but I have various other Rockbox targets (iPods and Sansas), and I'd never, ever, consider going back to the original firmware.
05:23 < [Saint]> At the moment the Classic port has a few quirks, but it's still a very young port in active development. And even still, most people prefer to keep using it even with these quirks rather than return to using the original firmware.
05:24 < [Saint]> The most notable downside at this point is probably battery life, as it's quite low compared to the OF, but as I understand it it's able to do around 10~12 hours of playback presently.
05:31 < chris_____> Thats not too bad. I usually keep it in the car anyways so it shouldn't be much of a problem
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07:23 < chris_____> Working perfectly now. So long, iCrap. Hello, awesome.
07:31 < TheSeven> [06:52:24] <[Saint]> There's a reasonably high chance that you'll be unable to mount it under a Windows machine though. << huh?
07:32 < TheSeven> chris_____: what did you do to make usb work?
07:40 < chris_____> Worked straight away, never had an issue with it.
07:40 < chris_____> just followed the directions at http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot
07:41 < TheSeven> ah, so "It can't mount under windows at all though" was referring to umsboot issues prior to installation?
07:43 < chris_____> He had told me it would have issues. I was asking "it wont mount at all?".
07:44 < chris_____> but i was lucky apparently. already dumping my music back onto it.
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07:47 < chris_____> [Saint] : Got it working. Didn't run into any USB issues at all. Waay better than original UI so far.
07:52 < chris_____> Thanks for the help
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16:06 < mulch> hey, I was wondering whether I need to reformat my iPod classic (6.5G, 120GB) from HFS+ to FAT before performing the installation?
16:19 < Farthen> the installation reformats the ipod for you in a different way
16:20 < Farthen> mulch: so no, you don't need to do that. you will still lose all your data on the device when performing the installation though
16:22 < mulch> yes, I knew that it's get reformatted; I just wasn't sure if the installer would choke on a mac-formatted iPod
16:23 < mulch> I presume that it will still mount on a mac after?
16:30 < Farthen> yes but it will reformat it to fat32
16:30 < Farthen> and it won't work with itunes anymore
16:30 < Farthen> (except for restoring)
16:31 < mulch> right should be fine (and I'm not bothered about syncing with itunes; I'll probably just sync much music folder with rsync
16:31 < mulch> *much -> my
16:33 < Farthen> yeah and if you are not satisfied you can always go back so it is at least worth a try IMHO
16:35 < mulch> do you reckon that doing the update through a virtual machine is a bit risky? I have access to a physical win box if I need it; however I have had success flashing my phone (galaxy s) in the aforementioned VM
16:56 < TheSeven> there's not much that can go wrong
16:58 < TheSeven> if it fails due to pc-side issues, it will do so before writing anything to nonvolatile storage on the ipod
16:58 < TheSeven> so if that happens, just reboot the ipod and start over :)
17:22 < mulch> I just ended up using my physical winvista machine; and it worked
17:22 < mulch> however, the iPod was listed as an apple mobile device whatever when in DFU mode, which caused me to panic for a few seconds, but everything seemed to work fine
17:33 < mulch> on second thoughts, it doesn't seem to want to mount on my mac at all
17:40 < TheSeven> yeah, there's some mac os bug that makes it refuse our partitioning
17:40 < TheSeven> just reformat it (as fat32) using your mac and extract the rockbox zip file again
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17:42 < mulch> I didn't want to click the bgi "Initialize…" button that came up for fear that it would mess up my iPod's ability to boot or something
17:49 < mulch> cheers, that seems to have worked fine!
17:49 < mulch> (and the awful EU volume limit is finally gone)
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22:47 < Beremat> Hi, on the EmCORE releases page, it says that "There's a small number of iPod Classic devices where USB doesn't work unless the device was booted through DFU.". How would I go about booting my Classic through DFU?
22:51 < TheSeven> DFU isn't affected by this
22:51 < [Saint]> DFU mode isn't using any third party code, so, it will always work.
22:51 < Beremat> oh, that's what it means
22:52 < Beremat> haha I totally misread that, thanks
22:53 < [Saint]> A lot of people seem to, if you have any suggetions on how to lay out the instructions so that it's more readily understandable...we'd all like to hear it.
22:53 < [Saint]> People seem to enjoy not following the very nice instructions laid out in the wiki, and getting themselves into trouble.
22:54 < Beremat> the instructions are well-written
22:58 < [Saint]> That's good to hear. Approximately 1 out of every 5 people that are curious about emCORE/Rockbox on the Classic either miss out random steps of the instructions, or follow them up to a certain point and then just start making things up and throwing a bunch of commands they don't understand at the device ;)
22:58 < Beremat> hahah
22:58 < Beremat> I think the only part I had trouble with was when it told me to close the service.exe in task manager, but there was also another .exe that needed to be closed so that iTunes wouldn't interfere
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