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07:31 < Jax> Hey guys im getting a Could not open DFU device after the "Press and hold the menu and select buttons for between 10 and 15 seconds" step. Device appears to be off, witha black screen. 
07:31 < Jax> I obviously did something wrong. I just dont know what.
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08:30 < jaxxv01> After saving the .ubi file to UMSboot and following the on screen instructions (Menu+select), the ipod classic displays the apple logo and boots into the normal firmware with access to my music and such. No emCORE boot menu. Any help is appreciated.
09:34 < [Saint]> IIUC, you're *not* supposed to reset the iPod after placing the .ubi file in the UMSboot volume
09:34 < [Saint]> you're just supposed to safely disconnect and unplug the device.
09:37 < [Saint]> jaxxv01: Follow the instructions here: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic
09:37 < [Saint]> at no point does it mention rebooting the device with menu+select after placing the .ubi file in the UMSboot volume.
09:38 < [Saint]> I think you got your wires crossed somewhere.
09:49 < [Saint]> jaxxv01: How are you getting on?
09:50 < [Saint]> (sing out if you need help, the link I pasted above is all you should need though, provided you follow the directions as stated)
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10:15 < TheSeven> [Saint]: he skipped the ejecting step before the "follow the on-screen instructions", and instead interpreted the umsboot splash as those instructions
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12:50 < Boopop> Hi all, can someone remind me how to boot rockbox automatically when I switch my iPod classic on? thanks!
12:50 < Boopop> I thought I'm supposed to create a folder called .boot but it won't let me
13:05 < TheSeven> windows explorer won't let you, right
13:06 < benedikt93> here is the discussion from yesterday: http://logs.freemyipod.org/%23freemyipod-support/2011-05/2011-05-22-%23freemyipod-support.log
13:11 < Boopop> So what do I do TheSeven ? OSX won't let me create it either
13:12 < TheSeven> that's weird
13:12 < Boopop> ah, got it
13:12 < TheSeven> have you tried to create it using mkdir in a shell, or just through the GUI?
13:12 < Boopop> used cmd instead
13:53 < Boopop> TheSeven: It says "*PANIC* Incompatible API Version!"
13:54 < Boopop> Help please >.<
13:56 < user890104_> ah, you got the old version
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13:57 < Boopop> user890104: so...what should I do? Please don't tell me I have to reinstall everything =/
13:58 < user890104> no, just wait a minute
13:58 < user890104> what's the name of the file you downloaded?
13:58 < user890104> fastboot-r708-20110424.emcoreapp ?
13:59 < Boopop> 692
13:59 < user890104> and you see emCORE r708..bla bla on the top of the screen?
13:59 < user890104> or another version number?
13:59 < Boopop> R708, yes
14:00 < Boopop> hmm
14:00 < Boopop> so I guess I downloaded the wrongone
14:00 < Boopop> damnit!
14:00 < user890104> you've used older application with newer emcore, it's not going to work that way
14:00 < Boopop> so what can I do to fix it?
14:00 < user890104> which operating system are you using on your pc?
14:00 < Boopop> Windows 7
14:00 < Boopop> but I have access to osx and ubuntu
14:01 < user890104> ubuntu would be easier to set up
14:01 < Boopop> OK
14:01 < user890104> you would need python, pyusb and libusb
14:01 < user890104> so the first and the last are usually installed by default
14:01 < Boopop> tell me what to do and I'll reboot and do it :)
14:01 < Boopop> I assume I can get all those from synaptic
14:01 < user890104> it would be better to reboot and join here again
14:02 < Boopop> fiiine :P
14:02 < Boopop> cya in a few, thanks for the help!
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14:04 < user890104> TheSeven: is it possible to have some way of skipping/preventing wrong version applications from being run at all?
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14:10 < Boopop> back user890104 
14:10 < Farthen> user890104: applications which are compiled against a different api version don't run at all. or what do you want to achieve?
14:10 < user890104> Farthen: yeah, they don't run but they prevent the boot menu from running
14:11 < user890104> Boopop open a terminal as root and wget http://is.gd/lbC8nS
14:11 < Boopop> done
14:12 < user890104> extract it and run:
14:12 < Boopop> ls
14:12 < Boopop> oops xD
14:12 < user890104> cd (the folder where you extracted it)
14:13 < user890104> python setup.py install
14:13 < Boopop> Might have to tell me how to unzip it too >.<
14:14 < Boopop> actually
14:14 < Boopop> doesn't matter
14:14 < user890104> tar -zxvf <file's name>
14:14 < user890104> then enter: svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/ freemyipod-tools
14:14 < user890104> i'll be back in 5
14:16 < Boopop> Hmm
14:16 < Boopop> don't have subversion and it gives an error when I try to install it
14:16 < Boopop> says I need to update
14:17 < user890104> then..
14:17 < user890104> apt-get update
14:17 < user890104> apt-get install subversion
14:17 < Boopop> yup, doing that already :)
14:18 < user890104> if everything goes fine, you would need to: cd freemyipod-tools
14:18 < Boopop> might be a while =/
14:18 < Boopop> ok
14:18 < user890104> python emcore.py rm /.boot/init.emcoreapp
14:18 < Boopop> ahh
14:18 < user890104> python emcore.py reset
14:18 < Boopop> that removes the wrong file
14:19 < Boopop> great, thanks :)
14:19 < user890104> then download the right file and place it there :)
14:19 < Boopop> It's nice to have linux available to hand xD
14:19 < Boopop> that's the second mistake I've made installing rockbox
14:19 < Boopop> d'oh
14:19 < Boopop> first one was last night, not finishing the guide by moving the .rockbox folder over
14:20 < Boopop> how embarassing xD
14:20 < Boopop> got my iPod classic 160gb for £75
14:20 < Boopop> bargain!
14:20 < Boopop> brand new too!
14:22 < Boopop> need to reboot, typical
14:22 < Boopop> will copy/paste log into txt file
14:22 < Boopop> there we go, brb
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14:27 < Boopop> can't find where I saved the log
14:27 < Boopop> instructions again please >.<
14:27 < Boopop> ah no worries
14:27 < Boopop> found the chat logs
14:28 < Boopop> user890104: so what does python emcore.py reset do?
14:28 < Boopop> resets...something?
14:30 < Boopop> ah
14:30 < Boopop> resets the iPod xD
14:30 < user890104> exactly
14:38 < Boopop> that's done it user890104, thanks very much :)
14:38 < Boopop> now to sell my 80GB iPod Video 5.5G xD
14:40 < user890104> you're welcome
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16:42 < jaxxv01> [Saint] sorry i missed you earlier. The emcore screen on my ipod said if i wished to continue to press menu+select. I had ejected the device previous to that step. 
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18:05 < TheSeven> is says something like "if you got here accidentally, press menu+select", not "to continue"
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19:15 < nicoc0mmi3> Hello everyone; I am here, wondering about how to install the emCore bios from a vanilla ipod (nano 2G). I was wondering if the approach to first install iLoader, and then patch the emcore binary with ipodpatcher would work?
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19:19 < TheSeven> jaxxv01: [20:05:17] <TheSeven> is says something like "if you got here accidentally, press menu+select", not "to continue"
19:19 < TheSeven> nicoc0mmi3: you can directly install emcore using ipodpatcher
19:19 < TheSeven> or, if you have iloader installed, install it through umsboot
19:20 < TheSeven> you can basically follow the iloader installation instructions, just use this file instead of the iloader installer: http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20110424/installer-ipodnano2g-r708-20110424.ipodx
19:21 < nicoc0mmi3> Oki, altough I did try to install it first with using the -ab syntax with the emcore file, but then it just used the apple-boot, and got blocked
19:27 < nicoc0mmi3> and umsboot hang-up every time sadly
19:27 < nicoc0mmi3> I tried that at first
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19:52 < jaxxv01> TheSeven thanks for the help. Must have been very tired because i totally read those directions wrong. Does  OS X not register the Classic (asa drive) with rockbox?
19:53 < TheSeven> jaxxv01: MacOS dislikes something about our partitioning. No idea what exactly.
19:54 < TheSeven> Back up the files, let the mac format it, restore the files => should work
19:59 < jaxxv01> (may sound ignorant) How do i backup the files if i cant access the drive. And i assume i just format it to macos extended (journaled).
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20:06 < jaxxv01> TheSeven is there a way within mac os  to backup the files before formatting? 
20:07 < TheSeven> i don't think so
20:07 < TheSeven> there are no system files that would need to be saved though
20:08 < TheSeven> you can just format it and then extract the rockbox zip file again
20:08 < TheSeven> you'll lose all settings and your music of course
20:09 < user890104> TheSeven: is it possible to use libemcore to download all data on the hdd?
20:09 < jaxxv01> All my music is on my mac anyways. So i should erase/format, and extract rockbox zip to drive. 
20:10 < TheSeven> yeah
20:19 < jaxxv01> Alright TheSeven now i'm getting a No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it. Mac cant find a drive. i feel like im just noobing it up here. 
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20:21 < TheSeven> hm. did it maybe format it with a GPT partition table instead of MBR?
20:21 < TheSeven> rockbox can't read that
20:26 < jaxxv01> Funky, chose fat this time and voila smooth sailing. Thanks for the help
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21:17 < [Saint]> TheSeven: Is there a way to bold text within the emcore installer and/or UMSboot? Or is all that text simply bitmap images?
21:17 < [Saint]> I guess if it *is* bitmap images, then bolding specific text would be easy.
21:17 < [Saint]> I've seen a few people miss the "if you got here accidentally" bit now and fuck up the install.
21:18 < [Saint]> ...just an idea I had. I like to try and "idiot proof" things, but I realise that that's not always a smart thing to do. We don't really want such people to be using such an advanced form of "bootloader" (as that's all they're using it for)
21:19 < [Saint]> (well, for the N2G anyway)
21:19 < [Saint]> For the Classic, there's obviously no choice...but I feel like we really should be pushing "Average Joe" onto the Rockbox bootloader...as realisticallly they're probably never going to use it to do anything other than boot RB or the OF.
21:44 < TheSeven> all the fancy font text is generally png
21:44 < TheSeven> only the 8x6 pixel non-antialiased stuff is actually text
21:45 < TheSeven> however that "if you get here" thing is umsboot, and that's text
21:45 < TheSeven> one should probably just write a regular hdd-based rockbox bootloader one day
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