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01:21 < j_14> Hello. I was trying to restore a Nano 2g back to Apple firmware.  After copying the stock firmware back to the ipod I still get an iLoader welcome screen. It gives me the option to go to a menu or to try to extract a theme; there is no unistall option in the menu and trying to extract the theme just reboots the Nano. This is iLoader 0.1.1. What can I do to get rid of it?
01:25 < j_14> Perhaps I should mention that I was trying to restore manually (w/o iTunes). I got the correct firmware but was unable to find the correct MBR for my device (Nano 2g 4GB).
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02:22 < iamed2> I can't seem to get Windows to recognize my iPod when it is "powered off", even after I have run the UMSboot.
02:22 < iamed2> Can somebody help?
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05:27 < Farthen> j_14: as iLoader 0.1.1 is pretty old you would need to upgrade to iLoader 0.2 first
05:28 < Farthen> after that you get the uninstall screen after restoring
05:28 < Farthen> *uninstall option
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13:24 < j_14> Farthen: Thank you, I'll try that.
13:32 < TheSeven> j_14: or just use the old uninstaller files, in case they're still lying around somewhere
13:32 < TheSeven> let me check
13:32 < TheSeven> j_14: http://theseven.lima-city.de/ipod/iloader/uninstallation.php
13:32 < TheSeven> that's the original 0.1.x uninstallation method
13:34 < j_14> TheSeven: Thank you, but the files are 404.  
13:35  * TheSeven digs
13:35 < j_14> Installing 0.2 didn't seem to change anything.
13:36 < TheSeven> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/uninstall/uninst.bin
13:36 < TheSeven> http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/iloader/uninstall/iloader.cfg
13:36 < TheSeven> there they are
13:37 < TheSeven> so 0.2 didn't change anything in terms of didn't install or didn't change uninstallation behavior
13:39 < j_14> I got the message "Bootloader ipodnano2g* written to device."  But the ipod was exactly the same as before.
13:39 < TheSeven> oh, you can't update through an ipodx file
13:40 < TheSeven> but yeah, updating is similarly complicated as just using the old installer
13:40 < TheSeven> er, uninstaller
13:51 < j_14> I think it did it. But it seems that iLoader 0.2 kicked in afterward. This time the menu has an "uninst" option, but it does nothing.  I'm thinking I'll try the reinstall iLoader 0.2 ??
13:54 < TheSeven> er, no
13:54 < TheSeven> that's a remnant from your try to update it
13:54 < Farthen> restore with itunes and select "uninstall" afterwards
13:54 < TheSeven> it "uninstalled" to iloader 0.2, not the apple firmware, as you had installed the iloader 0.2 installer to the firmware partition
13:54 < TheSeven> so you'll need to restore it again, and then attempt the uninstallation again
13:57 < j_14> I see. I'll try to restore it.
14:04 < j_14> OK. I now get the "Uninstall iLoader" option.  The thing is that I don't have iTunes available right now, so I was trying to restore the firmware manually.  Seems not to have worked since I keep getting the same menu over again (after doing the manual restore).
14:05 < TheSeven> did you restore manually *again* after trying to upgrade to 0.2?
14:05 < TheSeven> that attempted upgrade will have overwritten the firmware partition
14:06 < j_14> Yes. Twice. Another thing is that I don't have the correct partition table for my model (Nano 2g 4GB).  I'm using the MBR for a Nano 1g 4GB. 
14:08 < j_14> wait
14:09 < j_14> I selected the unistall option again and it did it. I see the Apple firmware now.
14:10  * [Saint] imagines that using the incorrect MBR could have resulted in some fun...
14:10 < [Saint]> I'm *really* surprised it didn't to be honest.
14:10 < TheSeven> if the firmware partition size is the same, it won't matter
14:10 < TheSeven> and i'm not sure if the bootloader even obeys the partition size in the partition table
14:12 < j_14> I now have an ipod nano with a capacity of 3276 GB but only 79.5 GB available :(
14:13 < [Saint]> 79.5GB!?!
14:13 < [Saint]> Um...
14:13 < [Saint]> that's either not a Nano...or, you've messed your units up.
14:13 < TheSeven> i'm fairly certain that he means MB :)
14:14 < j_14> No its GB! Thats what says in the about screen :)
14:14  * TheSeven wonders how j_14 did format the data partition
14:16 < TheSeven> or, wait, the n1g has 512byte sectors?
14:16 < TheSeven> that explains why the n2g firmware partition works with a n1g partition table, but the data partition is fucked up
14:19 < j_14> this is the fdisk output http://pastebin.ca/2068961
14:20  * TheSeven suggests to wipe everything, create a new partition of exactly the size of the firmware partition image, starting at sector 63, setting its type to 0, creating a fat32 partition in the rest of the space, and then writing the firmware partition image to it again
14:31 < Boopop> seems the battery still drains quickly user890104 =/
14:35 < [Saint]> TheSeven: Nano1G has 512b sectors indeed.
14:35 < [Saint]> hence my surprise at the MBR "just working"...(to the extent it did)
14:36 < [Saint]> but I figured you knew more than I when you said it'd work.
14:36 < [Saint]> ...it did *kinda* work, after all ;)
14:37 < TheSeven> Boopop: this is supposed to be a difference of about 5-20%, nothing geat
14:37 < TheSeven> great*
14:38 < Boopop> well he gave me a different build with decreased cpu voltage last night
14:38 < Boopop> or she =)
14:38 < TheSeven> yeah, that's what I meant
14:38 < Boopop> ok
14:38 < Boopop> just checking :P
14:38 < Boopop> went to the shops for about 20 mins and it had already gone down to 89% when I got back ='*
14:39 < Boopop> ='( *
14:39 < Boopop> It'll be fixed, eventually, right? xD
14:39 < TheSeven> it will be fixed when we figure out what's going on
14:39 < TheSeven> but currently I'm completely clueless as to where all that power is going
14:39 < Boopop> it is rather odd
14:40 < TheSeven> don't trust the battery meter in the near-100% range
14:40 < [Saint]> is runtime still *that* much lower than the OF?
14:40 < [Saint]> I thought it was reasonably close at present.
14:40 < TheSeven> about a factor of two
14:40 < Boopop> seems like it to me [Saint] on my classic 3g
14:40 < [Saint]> Oh, shit.
14:40 < TheSeven> so "just" 10 hours or something
14:40 < Boopop> seems even less than that on mine
14:40 < Boopop> mind
14:40 < Boopop> I haven't done a proper benchmark or anything
14:40 < [Saint]> your battery may be fudged.
14:41 < Boopop> well the thing's brand new
14:41 < Boopop> so I'd hope not! xD
14:41 < [Saint]> "brand new" can include a battery that's been sitting on the shelf for over a year...though.
14:41 < [Saint]> people forget this all the time.
14:41 < Boopop> true
14:41 < Boopop> seems unlikely that that's it though
14:41 < Boopop> chances are pretty slim I'd have thought
14:41 < TheSeven> those should still be working reasonably fine though, if they're of good quality
14:42 < [Saint]> yeah...but these are Apple products :P
14:42 < Boopop> well my iPod 5G holds its charge fine
14:42 < Boopop> as does my 4 year old macbook
14:42 < Boopop> so I'll trust that this new iPod classic does too xD
14:52 < j_14> TheSeven: I did as you suggested (except that I started the first partition at sector 512) and the about screen now shows the correct values (3.7 GB). Thank you.
14:53 < TheSeven> btw, this method of generating the correct MBR (and it doesn't care about the start sector of the firmware partition, you could even use 1 if you want to save space) should work for all models/generations/capacities of ipods
14:54 < TheSeven> apple isn't exactly picky about the partition table, it just needs to be somewhat sane
14:54 < TheSeven> with the firmware partition being the first entry, and having a type of 0
15:00 < j_14> Interesting.  Do you think that iTunes will ask to restore this ipod when it sees it?
15:01 < TheSeven> hm, i'm not sure how closely it will check it
15:01 < TheSeven> it might dislike the start sector numbers of the partitions bein non-standard
15:04 < j_14> I see, I'll ask the person to whom I'm giving it to do a restore just in case.
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15:55 < Boopop> OK
15:56 < Boopop> iPod is mocking me now
15:56 < Boopop> doing a benchmark
15:56 < Boopop> it's been playing for a good hour at least I think
15:56 < Boopop> 93%
15:56 < Boopop> lol
15:56 < Boopop> it's like schrodinger's cat or something
15:56 < Boopop> battery life is crap until you pay attention then magically it's good xD
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17:18 < user890104> Boopop: i suggest chraging it fully, then running rockbox's battery benchmark plugin
17:18 < user890104> and in a couple of hours (when it fully discharges), you'll have a result
17:19 < user890104> the battery level meter itself is still not so accurate, so you might want to measure the total running time
17:40 < Boopop> user890104: That's what I'm doing =)
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19:43 < stnr> anybody on
19:43 < stnr> ?
19:46 < stnr> HELL0000?
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20:56 < Farthen> -.-
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21:01 < Boopop> the battery seems to be doing a lot better now user890104 :)
21:01 < Boopop> I think it is anyway
21:01 < Boopop> it's been on for about...7 hours or so I think
21:01 < Boopop> maybe 5 or 6
21:01 < Boopop> anyway it's at 70% now
21:01 < Boopop> that's with playing music at a medium volume on some sennheiser headphones
21:02 < user890104> as i said before, don't trust the battery meter
21:03 < Boopop> well unless it's randomly started measuring the battery better
21:03 < Boopop> well, differently*
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21:47 < dd8ne> Hello, I's me again.. And agin, it's my iPOD Nano2G which is in trouble
21:47 < dd8ne> after an idle poweroff it stoped with an errro iloder config
21:50 < dd8ne> so far I've doen a "python embios.py ipodnano2g_wipenand /tmp/ipod.wipe" and a UMSboot with the 250 ubi file
21:51 < dd8ne> but now it stops in the UMSboot saying Booting... that's all
21:53 < TheSeven> er, wait...
21:53 < TheSeven> did you already wipe the flash successfully?
21:55 < TheSeven> wiping the nand flash is kind of a last-resort option. usually you'd just try to recover through disk mode if nandfsck failed
21:58 < dd8ne> so wipe flash using flushcaches?
21:59 < dd8ne> so now I'm in disk mode
22:01 < dd8ne> unknown partition table
22:07 < dd8ne> should I do a mkfs.msdos /dev/sdb ?
22:10 < TheSeven> well, assuming you have wiped the nand and reinitialized the FTL, it's probably your best bet to boot into umsboot and reinstall from there
22:13 < dd8ne> ok.. file ipodnano2g-installer0.2.1-iloader0.2.2-uninstaller0.2.0-embios0.1.4-embiosldr0.1.1-umsboot0.1.0-20101103-r250.ubi copied into /media/UMSboot
22:14 < dd8ne> umount /media/UMSboot
22:14 < dd8ne> disconnect ..
22:15 < dd8ne> "loading UBI file..." "Rearranging files ..." "Booting 
22:15 < dd8ne> ..."
22:15 < dd8ne>  and than it stops
22:18 < TheSeven> hm, that's not normal
22:19 < TheSeven> this is the same version that's currently installed?
22:19 < dd8ne> yes
22:20 < TheSeven> and other ubi files don't boot as well?
22:20 < dd8ne> I've never tried any other
22:20 < TheSeven> try this one (rename it to .ubi): http://builds.freemyipod.org/emcore/target/ipodnano2g/emcore-ipodnano2g-r717.bin
22:21 < TheSeven> if this doesn't work either, i'd suggest that your umsboot is broken somehow
22:21 < TheSeven> or your host OS is doing something funky with the file system that umsboot doesn't like
22:23 < dd8ne> ok. now.. emCORE r717 
22:23 < dd8ne> No usable boot options, waiting for USB commands
22:25 < TheSeven> hm, so this seems to have worked. funny
22:25 < TheSeven> are you sure that the installer hasn't become corrupted somehow?
22:26 < TheSeven> you could try running it using the runfirmware command
22:26 < dd8ne> hmm... 
22:27 < dd8ne> just runfirmware without any parameters?
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22:29 < TheSeven> python emcore.py runfirmware 0x08000000 whatever.ubi
22:29 < dd8ne> "python embios.py runfirmware" does not work.. 
22:31 < dd8ne> so I need to do checkout the SVN
22:32 < TheSeven> wait, what are you currently running? emcore or embios?
22:32 < TheSeven> you need to use the matching python script
22:33 < TheSeven> so you might just reboot to embios again and use embios.py
22:33 < dd8ne> so far embios
22:36 < dd8ne> so.. now I got the installation screen
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22:42 < dd8ne_> ok works again.. thank you
22:43 < dd8ne_> btw.    when will be the emCORE version avail for nano2G?
22:43 < TheSeven> you just booted one?
22:44 < dd8ne_> no.. if you talk from emCORE
22:44 < dd8ne_> yes if we talk about the actual problem I've even installed rockbox
22:45 < dd8ne_> and 'all' works fine
22:51 < dd8ne_> ok. I've to leave. Good night.....
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