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09:19 < Boopop> does the iPod charge when in emCORE menu?
09:19 < Boopop> it won't let me charge in rockbox, complains about the battery being low despite being plugged in!
09:20 < [7]> who complains about the battery being low?
09:20 < [7]> it should charge both in rockbox and emcore
09:21 < Boopop> rockbox does [7] 
09:21 < Boopop> it goes into USB mode for a split second then says it has to shut down
09:21 < Boopop> this is after I did a battery benchmark
09:23 < [7]> hm, that sounds like a bug
09:23 < [7]> it should tolerate low battery conditions if USB is attached, but apparently doesn't realize that it is early enough
09:23 < Boopop> any sort of log or something I can get for you once it's charged up enough in emCORE?
09:24 < [7]> no, this is just something one would need to reproduce
09:25 < [7]> but having it sit in the emcore menu for like a minute should be sufficient to make rockbox boot
09:25 < Boopop> yep, it's working now =)
09:25 < Boopop> Hmm
09:25 < Boopop> it was playing music for 18 hours!
09:25 < Boopop> that's awesome!
09:27 < user890104> Boopop: did you measured the playtime with the previous emcore build?
09:27 < Boopop> nope, sorry :3
09:27 < Boopop> but it wasn't very good
09:28 < [7]> which generation is it?
09:28 < [7]> 18 hours sounds like a 1g 160gb model
09:28 < Boopop> fairly certain it's a 3g classic
09:28 < Boopop> 160gb
09:29 < Boopop> apple site says late 2009 anyway I think
09:29 < [7]> 18 hours with a thin one? that's impressive
09:29 < Boopop> mind some of that was without headphones plugged in
09:29 < Boopop> as I was asleep :P
09:30 < [7]> hm, that might make a difference of like 20%, depending on the volume and audio being played
09:31 < Boopop> Next time I'll do another one and put it downstairs when I'm asleep I guess
09:41 < user890104> Boopop: you might want to try this method of benchmarking http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginBatteryBenchmark
09:42 < user890104> it would create a log file with the battery usage and the time
09:42 < Boopop> that's what I used
09:42 < Boopop> if you recall, I told you yesterday :P
09:43 < user890104> so there should be a log file then :)
09:43 < Boopop> yep
09:43 < Boopop> want me to pastebin it or something? =)
09:43 < user890104> could you upload it somewhere?
09:44 < Boopop> rgr rgr
09:44 < Boopop> http://pastebin.com/T9cpiyfC
09:45 < user890104> thanks
09:46 < Boopop> What can you gather from it?
09:50 < user890104> if you look at the end, you can see that 0% battery is not much accurate, since there's another half an hour running on the zero
09:51 < Boopop> Ah yes
09:51 < Boopop> quite happy with how long it lasted :)
09:54 < user890104> you can share your result on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodRuntime
09:57 < Boopop> Hmm
09:58 < Boopop> I'll do it again at some point with better constraints
09:58 < Boopop> IE headphones plugged in the whole time, a single album on repeat
10:00 < Boopop> I take it if I play a flac album for example, the battery won't last as long as an mp3?
10:26 < Boopop> user890104: Am I to assume that I shouldn't trust my iPod when it says its fully charged either then?
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11:37 < [7]> Boopop: flac and mp3 should be similar. flac has bigger files, so more hdd spinning time, but is less cpu intensive
11:37 < [7]> regarding "fully charged": the gauge will provide very inaccurate values during charging anyway
11:38 < [7]> starting at ~60% real charge state the measurements won't change much
11:38 < [7]> once we figure out how to read the battery current, we can correct that like on the nano2g
11:39 < [7]> and also the charging circuitry will only start charging if the state is below about 90% when plugging it in
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11:41 < Boopop> So [7[, leave it plugged in a good while after it reports its fully charged to actually get it fully charged? xD
11:41 < Boopop> Oh, and why does it go into USB mode when I charge it from the mains?
11:41 < Boopop> I won't get the same behaviour when it's in a dock will I?
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12:58 < [7]> hold menu while plugging to prevent that
12:58 < Boopop> Ah ok, thanks
12:58 < [7]> and yes, that will eventually be fixed, but i didn't get around to implementing true usb host detection yet
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17:10  * user890104 fails at communicating with emcoreldr's recovery mode on nano2g
17:11 < user890104> [7]: any suggestions? it gives me usb timeout, and if increase the values, it seems to be stuck at the uploading stage
17:12 < user890104> emcoreldr was launched from nor dfu, if it matters
17:12 < user890104> the point is to skip installing itunes, after an unsuccessful attempt to reinstall emcore with ipodpatcher
17:13 < [7]> [19:12:29] <user890104> emcoreldr was launched from nor dfu, if it matters << can't work by design
17:13 < user890104> i remember changing something to make it work, don't remember what exactly
17:14 < [7]> you'll need to run the payload from a different address, as it will otherwise overwrite the loader
17:15 < user890104> can you give me an example?
17:15 < [7]> so the root problem is that you don't have a firmware partition image?
17:15 < user890104> yeah, maybe - ipodpatcher says No OSOS image found
17:15 < [7]> well, anything >0x08010000 should work, but the payload needs to be compiled for that address
17:16 < [7]> i'm not sure how picky the bootstub is concerning where it's run from
17:16 < [7]> so you could just try running one from 0x09000000 or something
17:16 < user890104> so i upload the "standard" emcoreldr, then compile another one with this address in ls.x?
17:17 < [7]> nah, just try emcoreldr.py upload 0x09000000 installer-ipodnano2g-*.ubi && emcireldr.py execute 0x09000000
17:17 < [7]> oops, typo
17:20 < user890104> it didn't run for some reason
17:23 < user890104> execute requires a second argument, i've put 0x0a000000 there
17:23 < [7]> yeah, so the bootstub probably *is* picky regarding the location it was run from
17:23 < [7]> yeah, that should actually never be used
17:23 < [7]> hm, you could try to chainload a second emcoreldr at 0x22000000 using these commands
17:23 < [7]> and then run the installer regularly from there
17:24 < [7]> you'll of course need to use an unencrypted and unsigned one
17:24 < [7]> (the emcoreldr.bin file created during build)
17:26 < user890104> did that, what's next?
17:26 < user890104> which address do i run the installer from?
17:26 < [7]> now just run an installer the usual way
17:26 < [7]> emcoreldr.py run installer-ipodnano2g-*.ubi
17:27 < user890104> great, thanks :)
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