--- Log opened Sat Jul 23 00:38:04 2011
00:38 -!- benji___ [6332c0aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.50.192.170] has joined #freemyipod-support
00:38 < benji___> anyone here?
00:39 < benji___> So if anyone reads this, I am on the step where I extract the rocketbox software to my iPod Classic 80GB and windows says I have to format it. 
00:39 < benji___> I cannot access it.. so i cant move files off or onto it. Any ideas on how to fix this?
00:40 < benji___> This is the step I have a problem with : Download the "rockbox-ipodclassic.zip" file from the emCORE Releases page Extract its contents to the root directory of your iPod's hard disk drive
00:40 < benji___> Thanks fot your time. My email is benjilwalker@yahoo.com
00:41 < benji___> i will stick around as long as possible
00:42 < TheSeven> benji___: so the ipod is being detected, but windows asks you to format it?
00:42 < benji___> yeah
00:42 < benji___> exactly
00:42 < TheSeven> that's a bit weird, shouldn't happen
00:43 < benji___> iTunes also cannot restore it
00:43 < benji___> honeI think it has hardware failure... But was trying to load this anyway
00:43 < benji___> honestly I*
00:43 < TheSeven> ok, so you suspect that the HDD is broken?
00:44 < benji___> Not sure to be honest, It loads the basic software btu won't update or restore
00:44 < TheSeven> try unplugging it, shutting it down, choosing the last icon in the menu (tools), and then "reformat data partition"
00:45 < benji___> in iTunes?
00:45 < TheSeven> no, on the ipod itself
00:45 < TheSeven> it should be busy for a couple of seconds, and then either complain about something or go back to the main menu
00:45 < benji___> i see haha ok one second
00:45 < benji___> it reformatted fine at the beggining
00:45 < benji___> Well its working. I'l let you know
00:46 < TheSeven> this should take less than a minute
00:46 < TheSeven> if it takes longer, this points towards hardware trouble
00:46 < TheSeven> or, more specifically, problems accessing the hard drive
00:46 < benji___> ahh, well the first time around it took probably around 5? it also has no data on it so I dont really know what it is formatting
00:47 < benji___> Well it is for sure longer than ~1min
00:47 < benji___> Lets just say its probably around 15% done xD
00:47 < TheSeven> hm, probably bad sectors then, and especially these 80gb hdd models are known for silently ignoring them, or reporting them for the wrong sector numbers, which effectively means they're ignored because the retry (for the wrong sector) succeeds
00:48 < TheSeven> does the hdd produce a clicking noise during this process?
00:48 < benji___> so you are saying that the entire disk isnt corrupted, just parts and that it is still useless :P?
00:48 < benji___> No! but I have heard it before
00:49 < TheSeven> so, if you hold it to your ear, you can hear the motor running, but absolutely no sign of clicking?
00:49 < benji___> like when putting in DFU, I hear a click. I have an iPhone now so I dontremeber if it did it before, but i doubt it did xD
00:49 < benji___> yup. that is right
00:49 < TheSeven> the click when rebooting it the hard way is a lot louder than the clicking i'm referring to currently
00:49 < benji___> i see
00:49 < TheSeven> and that reboot click is normal, if the hdd was spinning while you rebooted it
00:50 < benji___> it finfished "reformatting"
00:50 < benji___> so I will do it again and listen
00:50 < TheSeven> did it take a long time at a certain percentage, and then proceed much more quickly?
00:50 < benji___> ok so I hear a hum and then litttle other things
00:50 < TheSeven> that would be another sign of bad sectors
00:50 < benji___> but it doesnt soudn like clicks
00:51 < TheSeven> well, now just try connecting it again, and check if it gets recognized this time
00:51 < neferty> TheSeven, so i came to pick up my ipod, i tried to load rockbox again, but it's missing from the HDD, what are the chances that it did the bad sector fixing?
00:51 < neferty> any way to check without rescanning again to 700k?
00:51 < TheSeven> if it still doesn't, let windows reformat it
00:52 < benji___> Ok will do TheSeven, ill keep you updated its currently doing another reformat so i am waiting
00:52 < benji___> Thank you for the help.
00:52 < TheSeven> neferty: if the hdd is empty, but formatted, this is a good sign. are there any files (logs) on it?
00:53 < neferty> TheSeven, it doesn't seem to be formatted :S
00:53 < neferty> TheSeven, let me check
00:53 < TheSeven> hm. do you know how/why it terminated the check?
00:53 < neferty> roommate unplugged it from wall socket...
00:53 < TheSeven> hm, that sounds like bad luck
00:54 < TheSeven> i really need to implement a way to keep track of the state on the HDD itself
00:54 < neferty> oh wait
00:54 < neferty> umm, i'm in the emcore boot menu
00:54 < neferty> how can i make the HDD accessible to the PC?
00:54 < TheSeven> i basically wrote this tool for my own use, in a controlled environment, and with the emcore tools at hand, so i could regularly do a backup of the current state if neccessary
00:54 < TheSeven> neferty: just boot rockbox
00:55 < TheSeven> it wasn't ever intended for end-user use, and that's why it has a lot of rough edges
00:55 < neferty> "No partition found insert usb cable and fix it etc..."
00:55 < TheSeven> once it had done its job for me, i didn't care much about completing it
00:55 < benji___> TheSeven, I try to reformat using windows while rocketbox is running and it says it is unable to complete.
00:55 < TheSeven> neferty: hm, sounds like an interrupted scan
00:55 < TheSeven> benji___: bad hdd :/
00:56 < TheSeven> you can try the same remapping tool that I'm just talking about with neferty, but as I said, that's not really polished
00:56 < TheSeven> it's funny that two of the people with broken hdds actually meet each other
00:56 < neferty> TheSeven, it's not even showing up under windows... D:
00:56 < TheSeven> there has been a total of like 5 people with that kind of trouble so far, so it's fairly unlikely for this to happen
00:57 < benji___> Hmm is that something that is replaceable at a moderate price? I used this thing for like 13months and then it crapped out on me with no water dmg. I imagine the HDD is fried and that is it
00:57 < benji___> Haha
00:57 < TheSeven> neferty: this might just be a rockbox bug... I'm not sure if this error case has ever been tested on the classic
00:57 < neferty> TheSeven, nevertheless the mass storage is not showing up under windows
00:58 < TheSeven> benji___: the HDD doesn't seem to be completely fried, it just has bad sectors in a critical area
00:58 < TheSeven> neferty: yeah, might be the USB driver not being started up correctly in this case
00:58 < neferty> usb connected, that's for sure, just saying that error message standing there, tried rebooting once, same stuff
00:58 < benji___> Hmm. So what do you suggest then :P?
00:58 < neferty> oh wait
00:58 < neferty> i'm still having the apple stuff running
00:59 < TheSeven> benji___: replacing the HDD isn't really easy, and the HDDs cost about the same as a used ipod
00:59 < benji___> Well shit haha. I was hoping to use this for college but I guess not
00:59 < neferty> TheSeven, what can i do? should i try the hddscan again?
00:59 < benji___> Thanks for the help!
01:00 < TheSeven> neferty: you could do so, but it would probably be advisable to install the emcore tools in order to be able to regularly do a state snapshot this time
01:00 < TheSeven> benji___: well, before you give up on it you can of course try my bad sector remapping tool
01:00 < TheSeven> it's kind of a mess to work with, but better than nothing
01:01 < benji___> Yes sorry I was reading what you wrote again and missed that
01:01 < neferty> TheSeven, umm, go on please :p
01:01 < benji___> Where can i find that, and instructions xP
01:01 < TheSeven> neferty: windows or linux?
01:01 < neferty> TheSeven, i'm on a windows machine right now but my notebook has linux, i can boot it if it's required
01:02 < TheSeven> benji___: http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/hddscan2.ubi
01:02 < benji___> I am also on Win(7) but could probably find someone running linux somewhere aswell
01:02 < TheSeven> in theory you just copy that to the umsboot ramdisk and eject the ipod
01:03 < TheSeven> it will be scanning the hdd for several days, and hopefully eventually come up with a working sector mapping
01:03 < benji___> Hmm, how do i put my device back in DFU to start over and get to the USM boot?
01:03 < TheSeven> benji___: it works on both... the driver installation is a bit easier on linux, but certainly doable on windows as well
01:04 < TheSeven> benji___: connect it to USB and press and hold menu+select for about 12 seconds
01:04 < TheSeven> but you can also choose umsboot from the tools menu
01:04 < benji___> Oh geez that was easy. Sorry
01:04 < neferty> TheSeven, so how do i go about creating a state snapshot?
01:05 < TheSeven> Farthen: I know you're awake... care to do a libusb-win32 walkthrough?
01:06 < neferty> i can do linux too, if that's easier/quicker
01:06 < TheSeven> Farthen: I'm a bit out of the loop, which version of libusb would you currently recommend?
01:07 < TheSeven> on linux, you'll usually have to install a python module, and do a checkout of our SVN, but that's it
01:07 < benji___> Ok TheSeven. It is scanning now. Should I just leave it charging for a couple Days and come back here with my Data. or is there somethign I should do after? Or is it remapping itself right now?
01:07 < TheSeven> on windows, you'll have to install python, pyusb, and a libusb driver (the tricky part)
01:07 < TheSeven> benji___: it should be working on its own, but seriously, this can take a week or even more, depending on the degree and distribution of damage
01:07 < Farthen> TheSeven: libusb-1.0 and pyusb 1 alpha 2
01:08 < TheSeven> i also can't guarantee that it would work at all
01:08 < benji___> Holy.... haha ok
01:08 < TheSeven> Farthen: global filter or per device?
01:08 < neferty> fuck windows, i'm not messing with it, linux here i come
01:08 < benji___> Ill just check it in the mornign when I wake up. But if this is successful, it should be good to go after?
01:08 < TheSeven> i'm currently using the automated device filter installer, and that seems to be working fine, but I don't even know which version that is
01:08 < benji___> lol @ neferty
01:09 < TheSeven> benji___: in theory, yes
01:09 < TheSeven> but I've seen this tool fail more often than not, for various reasons
01:09 < neferty> benji___, no seriously, python's a real hassle on windows
01:09 < TheSeven> ranging from running out of power to just not saving the remap table once it's done for no apparent reason
01:09 < Farthen> TheSeven: don't expect me to know what's working and what's not. this driver stuff is sometimes... unpredictable :-P
01:09 < benji___> OK then, thank you for the help. I want to learn linux eventuallu, but for now know nothign about it
01:10 < TheSeven> benji___: in that case you should choose the windows route if you want to be able to access the ipod's scanning state during the operation
01:10 < benji___> Good luck. Any place I could donate to you guys for your awesome work. It will probably be small... But it is better than Nothing.
01:11 < TheSeven> neferty: on linux, you'll hopefully just have to check out http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools and install the pyusb 1.0.0a2 module
01:11 < benji___> Wait so I can plug it into a USB during this scan and shouldnt just leave it charging?
01:11 < benji___> (via a wall socket)
01:12 < TheSeven> benji___: if you have the emcore tools installed, you can use them to communicate with the ipod during the process, to e.g. do a snapshot of the current state, to be able to resume from that point if something should go wrong at a later point
01:12 < neferty> okay, TheSeven can you please say the repo address again ?
01:12 < TheSeven> however, in theory, it just needs power and should do its job
01:12 < TheSeven> http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools
01:13 < neferty> uhm, and is a1 not good enough?
01:13 < neferty> because that's in my repo :(
01:14 < benji___> I think I have emcore isntalled but when i plug it into a USb i dont see it. I will most likely just leave it. Any place I could donate to you guys for your awesome work. It will probably be small... But it is better than nothing
01:15 < neferty> TheSeven: ^my above msg
01:16 < neferty> okay so my windows box shut itself down for no apparent reason
01:16 < neferty> good.
01:16 < neferty> good job microsoft
01:17 < neferty> TheSeven: what version of gcc am i supposed to be compiling this with? cause i'm getting an error
01:17 < neferty> with 4.6.1
01:18 < benji___> Lat question. i feel like you guys would know about this. I want to learn xcode via a virtualmachine on my pc.. But I cant find a free virtual machine software I can run Lion/SL on? I tried Orcale VNC btu they cut support to it. If this is too random and you have no idea just ignore me xP
01:18 < neferty> virtualbox probably?
01:19 < neferty> last time i tried it (around 2 or 3 years ago) they didn't have PAE, making it impossible to install osx on it, might've changed since then though
01:21 < TheSeven> benji___: we currently don't have a donation fund, but you could donate to the rockbox fund, who paid an ipod classic for me :)
01:21 < benji___> They (Oracle VM VirtualBox) supported OSX and then cut support in march unless you have a mac... so now its pointless :/
01:22 < TheSeven> neferty: what are you compiling?
01:22 < TheSeven> the neccessary stuff from our repo is all python
01:22 < neferty> TheSeven: well, your svn had a makefile so i immediatley tried to do a make :P
01:22 < neferty> ah ok
01:22 < TheSeven> nah, that's for the ipod side code, and it requires an ARM compiler
01:22 < neferty> svn checked out, pyusb installed
01:22 < neferty> next step?
01:23 < benji___> Ahh ok. Will do, thanks again TheSeven. How do I know if my classic is charging ._. Its pludgged into USB but no batter meter or anything and the screen is lit up so if its not It will die eventually...
01:23 < TheSeven> neferty: connect your ipod, run sudo python emcore.py console
01:23 < neferty> also, when emcore boots, it detects the ipod as a new usb device, then when i try to run rockbox it disappears
01:23 < TheSeven> it should print some ipod-side debugging info
01:23 < TheSeven> benji___: if it's plugged into USB it should be fine
01:24 < neferty> eh no module named usb.core
01:24 < TheSeven> if the battery runs low due to a weak usb power supply, it will stop scanning for a while to let it rechage (it will tell you on the display)
01:24 < TheSeven> neferty: => pyusb version too old
01:24 < TheSeven> you need >=1.0.0a0
01:24 < neferty> i have 1.0.0_a1-1
01:25 < TheSeven> then it's not installed correctly, or into the wrong python version
01:25 < neferty> it works in python3...
01:25 < neferty> should i just cp the files to the python2 lib directory or?
01:25 < neferty> is the script python 3 compatible
01:26 < neferty> it's installed in /usr/lib/python3.2/site-packages
01:27 < neferty> should i try symlinking it to python2, or is there compatibility with python3 ?
01:29 < benji___> Wow. Nice program you have written. thank you for the great info and awesome help. Goodluck!
01:29 < neferty> yay connected it says
01:30 < neferty> nothing more though...
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01:30 < neferty> should i enter the emcore console?
01:31 < neferty> ??? :(
01:35 < TheSeven> neferty: then there's nothing in the debug buffer
01:35 < TheSeven> that's a bit weird, as there should at least be some startup messages, both from the kernel and hddscn2
01:35 < TheSeven> hddscan2*
01:36 < TheSeven> and btw, it should work with python3 as well
01:36 < neferty> i'm in the main emcore menu, i launch it, and all i get is the connected to the emcore debugger etc...
01:36 < TheSeven> ah, so you didn't run hddscan2 yet?
01:36 < neferty> then after a short while if i don't crap around with the wheel on the ipod it shuts of itself, making the pythonscript generate an error and quit
01:36 < TheSeven> ok, that makes sense
01:36 < neferty> well, this means that it wasn't finished?
01:37 < TheSeven> the fact that it isn't formatted means that it didn't finish
01:37 < neferty> :\
01:37 < neferty> i can't even access the hdd as it is right now
01:37 < TheSeven> you'll probably have to do it again, but this time you can do state snapshots
01:38 < TheSeven> boot umsboot, launch the ubi file, and then run emcore console again
01:38 < TheSeven> it will spit out a message saying where the state buffer is
01:38 < neferty> uhm, hddscan2.ubi?
01:38 < TheSeven> yes
01:38 < neferty> can you give me the link again please?
01:38 < TheSeven> it will also log the individual problems that it finds on its way to this USB console
01:38 < neferty> i don't have it here
01:38 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/hddscan2.ubi
01:39 < neferty> uh, okay, gotta dig up the linux tut
01:39 < neferty> oh wait right i can put it into dfu from emcore boot menu
01:39 < neferty> i mean, umsboot
01:39 < TheSeven> yeah
01:40 < neferty> hmm, sudo mount is not returning...
01:41 < neferty> ^C doesn't interrupt it either
01:41 < neferty> :S
01:42 < neferty> crap... it's doing some kernel stuff, not even kill -9 is killing it
01:42 < TheSeven> damn, the ehci bug
01:43 < neferty> rebooting the ipod, gonna try again
01:43 < TheSeven> this might require some patience
01:43 < TheSeven> might take a few minutes to mount
01:43 < neferty> ah, ok, gonna get out my charger then
01:43 < TheSeven> if you have another machine running windows, just copy the file there, and then move it to the linux box
01:45 < neferty> just shut off my windows machine...
01:45 < neferty> i have the ubi now here so it's ok
01:47 < neferty> why does it take so long though?
01:48 < neferty> reset high speed USB device number 12 using ehci_hcd....
01:48 < neferty> lots of that
01:52 < neferty> yay it mounted it seems
01:52 < neferty> copied on the ubi, i can unmount now right?
01:55 < neferty> state information at....
01:55 < TheSeven> ok, what's that address?
01:56 < neferty> 0x08019c38
01:56 < neferty> i got that from the python script acutally
01:57 < TheSeven> yeah
01:57 < TheSeven> now ctrl+c that and run sudo python emcore.py getvolumeinfo
01:58 < TheSeven> what' the total number of sectors of the HDD?
01:58 < neferty> wrong argument count
01:58 < TheSeven> er, sudo python emcore.py getvolumeinfo 0
01:58 < TheSeven> (it only has one volume)
01:58 < neferty> there's a problem with the usb connection?
01:59 < neferty> now trying again, prints the stack trace, operation timed out?
02:01 < TheSeven> hm, no idea how that command can fail
02:01 < TheSeven> try unplugging and re-plugging the ipod, and then issuing that command again
02:02 < neferty> problem with usb connection message again
02:02 < neferty> mind you i'm using python2, if i try python3 the python interpreter gives me errors about inconsistent use of tabs and spaces
02:03  * TheSeven should hunt down those tabs, no idea how they slipped in
02:04 < neferty> anyway, shouldn't be related to the error
02:04 < TheSeven> can you reboot the ipod again and try running that command while the normal boot menu is running?
02:04 < neferty> ok
02:04 < TheSeven> might be possible that hddscan2 is blocking some mutex for too long, making the USB command time out
02:04 < neferty> no avail, same error msg
02:05 < TheSeven> that's really strange
02:05 < neferty> how about the "reformat data partition" in the tools menu?
02:07 < neferty> oh wait a second
02:08 < neferty> not even the "console" command work now
02:10 < TheSeven> hm, unplug, reboot, plug, and try again
02:10 < neferty> i think we might have to continue this tomorrow, it's 4am here now
02:10 < TheSeven> here as well :)
02:10 < neferty> oh wait, you're in gmt+1?
02:10 < TheSeven> yeah
02:10 < TheSeven> germany, to be exact
02:11 < neferty> ah ok
02:11 < TheSeven> actually gmt+2 because of DST
02:11 < neferty> you're right
02:11 < neferty> still doesn't work
02:12 < neferty> would that reformat data partition not work at this point?
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02:14 < neferty> <neferty> would that reformat data partition not work at this point?
02:18 < neferty> hmm, issuing find will print "//", and that's all
02:18 < neferty> getprocinfo works
02:21 < [7]> hm, that's a bit weird that this usb command is broken
02:21 < neferty> the getvolumeinfo breaks everything, everything else works fine, but after issuing that command, nothing works until i reconnect the ipod
02:22 < neferty> after that, everything throws a usb.core.USBError: Operation timed out
02:24 < [7]> hm, you could also boot rockbox and check dmesg for the sector count
02:24 < neferty> kind of difficult without being able to access the hdd first :P, so should i try that reformat data partition from the tools menu?
02:27 < [7]> if it doesn't get detected otherwise, you can try that
02:30 < neferty> wait what the heck, reformatted and it booted straight into rockbox, without even complaining about misisng files or something
02:31 < neferty> bwah....
02:31 < neferty> hmm, it's empty though
02:31 < [7]> ok, so how many sectors does it have?
02:32 < neferty> uh, how do i know that?
02:32 < [7]> dmesg should log that
02:33 < neferty> i'm buffer i/o errors have flooded dmesg, they're all high around 19547685
02:33 < neferty> truth be told, i couldn't even mount it under linux at all
02:34 < [7]> yeah, that doesn't surprise me
02:34 < neferty> wait a sec, nailed it
02:34 < neferty> [ 4781.039258] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdd] 19537686 4096-byte logical blocks: (80.0 GB/74.5 GiB)
02:35 < neferty> okay, copied rockbox too on it 
02:38 < neferty> http://ompldr.org/vOWxhdA here's some of it, if it's any useful
02:39 < [7]> now re-run hddscan2 and check the base address on the usb console again
02:43 < neferty> it takes so long for this thing to mount..
02:43 < [7]> yeah, that's us triggering a linux ehci driver bug, and nobody seems to really know what's going on with it
02:47 < neferty> [7]: same address
02:47 < [7]> ok, that's good
02:47 < [7]> you can use the usb console to monitor what's going on with it currently, or use this command to obtain a state dump (which can be used to resume if something bad happens): sudo python emcore.py downloadfile 0x08019c38 0x012a1f16 scannerstate.bin
02:48 < neferty> so basically, it's re-run again?
02:48 < [7]> yeah, but this time with some more monitoring and saving checkpoints just in case
02:49 < neferty> how can i check the state? with the console command?
02:50 < neferty> and what are the chances that getvolumeinfo throws the same error?
02:50 < [7]> you won't need to run getvolumeinfo
02:50 < [7]> the console command will basically print the ipod side debug log
02:51 < [7]> which is listing all important events that occurred during the scan
02:51 < neferty>  › sudo python2 emcore.py console
02:51 < neferty> Connected to emCORE Debugger v0.2.1 r692 running on iPod classic
02:51 < neferty> State information at 0x08019C38
02:51 < neferty> that's all it prints
02:51 < [7]> this means that nothing extraordinary has been  found so far
02:51 < [7]> once it finds something, it will report it there
02:51 < neferty> also, sometimes it says r692, sometimes 700 something
02:51 < neferty> 704 i think
02:52 < [7]> 692 is tha build that hddscan2.ubi contains, 704 is probably the build that you have flashed
02:53 < [7]> i'd recommend to ctrl+c the console command from time to time (maybe once a day) and run the downloadfile command to obtain a copy of the current state, to allow to resume if something bad happens
02:53 < [7]> then you can re-run the console command to monitor events again
02:54 < neferty> eh, this will be tough... i won't be home for a while 
02:54 < neferty> i might as well do this again next weekend i come home then
02:54 < [7]> well yeah, you can do that
02:55 < [7]> let's hope that nobody will unplug it until then
02:55 < neferty> well, besides getting plugged off, what other dangers are there?
02:55 < [7]> the tool might go nuts when trying to write the final remapping
02:55 < neferty> D:
02:56 < [7]> i've seen that a couple of times, and I have no idea why it happened, neither can I reproduce it
02:56 < [7]> however, in that case, you can just do another state dump after it thinks its finished to save whatever information you have
02:56 < [7]> if it turns out that it didn't write the mapping, you can use that to recover it
02:57 < neferty> hmm, with a full charge, how long does the ipod last while doing the scan?
02:57 < neferty> also wait i just realized this... so basically i can stop the scan at any point, then resume it later on anytime?
02:58 < neferty> 'cause if so, that's not a problem then
03:02 < [7]> neferty: maybe 2 hours
03:03 < [7]> the HDD consumes a lot of power
03:03 < [7]> yes, you can do that
03:03 < [7]> to resume it, just launch hddscan2.ubi again and issue the following command: sudo python emcore.py uploadfile 0x08019c38 scannerstate.bin
03:04 < neferty> oh, that's pretty neat, then i'll just save the state before going out on sunday, and resume it when i arrive at my place at monday morning
03:09 < neferty> anyway, i'll be sleeping now, thanks an awful lot, again... :P
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08:28 < MSaki> my 2ndgen nano is bricked
08:29 < MSaki> any help i can get with python would be great
08:33 < [Saint]> define "bricked", including steps you took to get the player in this state, and anything you have done since then to further compound the matter.
08:34 < MSaki> cannot parse backgnd "panic"
08:34 < MSaki> but still can get recove mode from usb via hold
08:35 < MSaki> tried python script but i just get bunchs of errors
08:36 < [Saint]> Which script? throwing random scripts at it definitely, defintely will not help matters.
08:36 < MSaki> no no
08:36 < [Saint]> And could potentially *actually* brick your player if you tried hard enough.
08:37 < MSaki> python emcoreldr.py run installer.ubi
08:37 < MSaki> downloaded everything and im using a 64bit fedora pc just if you needed to know
08:41 < MSaki> cut to the chase my ipod is at the emcore recov screen and pluged in my pc has a terminal open with python running but "python emcoreldr.py run installer.ubi" wont work
08:48 < MSaki> i get usb.core missing
08:53 < MSaki> ....
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09:02 < MSaki> well ill just keep trying to recover it usin the small amout of info on the wiki site
09:04 < [7]> MSaki: install pyusb >=1.0.0a0
09:18 < MSaki> starts running then says directory usb doesnt exsist when it doe...
09:18 < MSaki> does
09:19 < user890104> MSaki: what command are you running?
09:20 < MSaki> open terminal type: python setup.py install
09:20 < MSaki> python does run it through.......
09:21 < MSaki> wait....
09:22 < MSaki> actualy it seems to not wana run directly i have to put its location....
09:22 < MSaki> or python gives syntax error
09:24 < user890104> which version of python are you using?
09:25 < MSaki> 2.7.1
09:30 < user890104> if you have easy_install, you can just do: sudo easy_install pyusb
09:31 < user890104> on ubuntu it finds 1.0.0-a1 which is enough to run our scripts
09:33 < user890104> if you want to check if pyusb is installed successfully: type "python" to open a python shell, then type "import usb.core", if it doesn't show any error message, you can continue, if you get "No module named core", you didn't install pyusb successfully
09:35 < MSaki> yah its not installed successfully
09:42 < user890104> did you try with easy_install?
09:42 < MSaki> .... reinstalled it still gives me no module
09:42 < MSaki> no
09:44 < MSaki> install_dir /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/
09:44 < MSaki> Searching for pyusb
09:44 < MSaki> Best match: pyusb 0.4.1
09:44 < MSaki> Adding pyusb 0.4.1 to easy-install.pth file
09:44 < MSaki> Using /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages
09:44 < MSaki> Processing dependencies for pyusb
09:44 < MSaki> Finished processing dependencies for pyusb
09:44 < MSaki> (thats what it says
09:48 < user890104> so easy_install won't help then
09:48 < MSaki> nope
09:49 < user890104> i don't have much experience with python so i'm unable to help you at this point
09:50 < MSaki> heh
09:50 < MSaki> python 3.2?
09:52 < user890104> 2.7 works for sure (at least on my virtual machine with ubuntu)
09:53 < user890104> that's what i have: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyusb-1.0.0_a1-py2.7.egg
09:58 < MSaki> huh strange
09:58 < MSaki> yours is dist packages mine is state packages
10:01 < MSaki> well thanks user890104 ill get it soon
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22:35 < Benji___> Anyone here? TheSeven gave me Hdd bad sector scanner and it seems to make foreward progress in the secttors
22:35 < Benji___> But then it sometimes goes back? is that normal?
22:36 < [7]> yes, it is
22:36 < [7]> it will repeatedly scan areas of IIRC 16K sectors
22:36 < [7]> so little jumps backward are normal, bigger ones aren't
22:37 < Benji___> Are you TheSeven :D?
22:37 < [7]> yes
22:37 < Benji___> Hmm well I went to bed last night and my ipod was at
22:37 < Benji___> 617944/19,537,686
22:38 < Benji___> sweet :P, now it is at 617153.......
22:38 < Benji___> But it has been like 16houras probably?
22:38 < [7]> this is normal in highly damaged areas
22:38 < Benji___> Ahh okay just making sure
22:38 < Benji___> Thanks again :P
22:38 < [7]> so everything up to that point was probably in relatively good shape, so it only took it a few scans to fix the problems
22:39 < Benji___> Let me give you the full stats I kinda doubt it tbh xD
22:39 < [7]> and now it's scanning an area where almost every access fails (times out, thereby scanning way slower), and where lots of scans (possibly hundreds) of the same area are needed before all damage is found
22:39 < Benji___> Write Ok 14,769
22:39 < Benji___> Hard resets needed 910
22:39 < [7]> the stats don't tell anything about the location of the damage
22:39 < [7]> ouch
22:40 < [7]> that number explains the extreme slowness
22:40 < Benji___> yeah
22:40 < Benji___> haha
22:40 < Benji___> now it just sounds like crackling
22:40 < [7]> and each of thoses resets hurts the HDD's mechanics :/
22:40 < Benji___> ahh shit
22:41 < [7]> those repeated, relatively silent clicks every half a second are not an issue
22:41 < [7]> but the really lound ones every couple of minutes are
22:41 < Benji___> Well I will see, hoepfully it will work a little. Better than before xD
22:41 < [7]> (that's the hard resets needed number)
22:41 < Benji___> Could you explain to me how this works?
22:41 < Benji___> Liek after will it just not see the data areas that are bad as usable?
22:41 < [7]> the problem with this drive is that its firmware is extremely buggy
22:42 < [7]> so there's a lot of guesswork needed to figure out the locations of the actual defects, as the locations that the HDD reports are often massively off
22:42 < Benji___> I see
22:43 < Benji___> So end result is an 80gb drive that say says it has 42.65gb of usable space?
22:43 < [7]> that's why the scan takes so long (it needs to build a hypothesis based on damage patterns that it recognizes, and then verify/falsify it experimentally)
22:43 < Benji___> Jeez, and you wrote this all yourself?
22:43 < [7]> Benji___: basically yes, but usually that number is much higher
22:43 < [7]> yes :/
22:43 < Benji___> Oh sweet xP
22:43 < Benji___> hmmm. where are you employed
22:44 < [7]> i have one of these beasts myself, and i lost like a couple hundred MB of space, but now have a perfectly working mapping
22:44 < [7]> Benji___: I'm still studying
22:44 < Benji___> you seem like you could be making someone/yourself a lot of money xP
22:44 < Benji___> Xool, in America?
22:44 < Benji___> Cool*
22:44 < [7]> no, germany
22:44 < [7]> trying to hire me? :)
22:44 < Benji___> From America? Good English
22:44 < Benji___> Sorry. Im just turning 18 in like 2 days ._.
22:45 < [7]> that discussion sounded a bit like you were a headhunter :)
22:45 < Benji___> I just think that some company would scoop you up if they saw the stuff you do.
22:45 < Benji___> I know haha sorry to get your hopes up.
22:46 < [7]> well, i there were multiple people offering me jobs at their US companies already, in the various ipod-related IRC channels
22:47 < [7]> but i'm a bit reluctant to accept that, especially outside of germany...
22:47 < Benji___> You are smart to finish studying :P, but after man.....
22:48 < [7]> tbh i'm not too convinced to do that any more, it's more that I can't easily leave the area where I live
22:48 < [7]> i just have way too many unfinished tasks over here :)
22:49 < Benji___> I see :P, it would also suck to leave home to place where you would know nobody 
22:51 < Benji___> Well i must be off. Thanks again for the awesome program and wonderful help/work. I'll probably be back iin a couple days to tell you my progress xP
22:51 < Benji___> Bye now! Goodluck in the future!
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