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14:56 < Dalvini> hi all
14:57 < Dalvini> I have a question concerning the installation of emcore/rockbox on my 6th gen iPod
14:58 < Dalvini> i followed all the steps described there: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/PrepareDFULinux
14:59 < Dalvini> and there: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot
14:59 < Dalvini> everything goes well up to the emCORE boot menu
15:01 < TheSeven> let me guess, you're about to complain that it takes ages to mount?
15:01 < Dalvini> and then, as I do as told and press both 'select' and 'menu' buttons together, the ipod reboots on the original firmware
15:01 < Dalvini> nope
15:01 < TheSeven> oh, you mean the installer welcome screen
15:01 < Dalvini> yes
15:01 < Dalvini> the blue one :)
15:01 < TheSeven> re-read the legalese :)
15:01 < TheSeven> it's menu+play, not menu+select :)
15:02 < Dalvini> ...
15:02 < Dalvini> so sorry
15:02 < TheSeven> yeah, we did that so people actually read it :P
15:02 < Dalvini> i'll try again :)
15:03 < Dalvini> I'm feeling really studid right now :D
15:04 < Dalvini> I am so used to the menu+select combination :)
15:05 < TheSeven> you're not the first one to do this
15:05 < Dalvini> i'm already using rockbox on an older iPod
15:06 < Dalvini> easier to install 
15:06 < Dalvini> \o/ the iPod is now formatting
15:06 < TheSeven> yeah, one day we might be able to do the same on the classics, but nobody did have the time so far to figure out that part
15:07 < TheSeven> we're all just swamped with work and happy that rockbox works at least somewhat on these devices
15:07 < Dalvini> yes, and i must say you are doing a terrific job
15:07 < Dalvini> Rockbox... well... rocks !!
15:07 < TheSeven> well, on the classic not so much yet
15:08 < TheSeven> the battery runtime is still way below what it should be, and the occasional crashes are annoying
15:08 < Dalvini> i'll see that
15:09 < TheSeven> regarding installation: apple doesn't allow accessing the firmware partition via usb mass storage any more, so we'll probably have to write a custom driver for a one-click installer, at least on windows
15:09 < TheSeven> or maybe require itunes to be installed and piggyback on apple's driver :P
15:10 < Dalvini> or legally compell apple to allow third party firmware installation on thesr hardware :)
15:10 < Dalvini> their*
15:10 < TheSeven> you can't really do much about that
15:11 < Dalvini> i bought the device, i should be able to do whatever i see fit with it!
15:12 < TheSeven> yeah, you can do that
15:12 < Dalvini> by the way, the waiting times for the various mounts were surprisingly quick
15:12 < TheSeven> nobody forces them to open up their interface specifications though
15:12 < TheSeven> then you have a kernel that doesn't suffer from that weird ehci bug
15:17 < Dalvini> anyway, i read almost everywhere that there was no way to install anything on the classic
15:18 < Dalvini> and yet you found a way to do it
15:18 < Dalvini> sounds really great to me
15:19 < Dalvini> \o/ my classic iPod has just started rockbox for the first time
15:19 < Dalvini> :)
15:19 < TheSeven> Dalvini: bootloader gets launched through a buffer overflow exploit on every single boot
15:19 < Dalvini> thank you for your help
15:19 < TheSeven> there was no other way to do it :)
15:19 < Dalvini> oh
15:20 < TheSeven> this is getting similar to iphone jailbreaking
15:20 < Dalvini> i thought there was something different between first gen iPods and the last ones
15:20 < TheSeven> (they're in fact using the same technologies - luckily with the same bugs :P )
15:20 < Dalvini> ok i get it
15:21 < TheSeven> everything starting from the classic/ipod 6g and the nano 2g is basically iphone technology
15:21 < Dalvini> yes ok
15:21 < TheSeven> completely different processors compared to the older ipods, they have basically nothing in common
15:22 < Dalvini> right, so way you can hack into it is different as well
15:22 < TheSeven> well on the older ones it was just figuring out how to deal with the undocumented hardware
15:22 < TheSeven> there was no real security stuff involved
15:22 < TheSeven> this has changed a lot :/
15:22 < Dalvini> I can imagine
15:23 < Dalvini> you must be working in that kind of area yourself to be able to figure out stuff like that
15:23 < TheSeven> actually i'm a computer science student
15:24 < Dalvini> student ? I'm impressed :)
15:24 < TheSeven> and no, this isn't really stuff that you'll learn at the university
15:25 < Dalvini> so it's all about self learning
15:25 < Dalvini> i have one last question
15:26 < Dalvini> now that the ipod is running rockbox alright
15:27 < Dalvini> will I be able to use the user-friendly piece of software I used with the older one to install themes and the likes?
15:36 < TheSeven> hm, good question
15:36 < TheSeven> in theory yes, but i'm not sure if it actually works
15:36 < TheSeven> it doesn't know about ipod classics, so you'll need to fool it into thinking it's an ipod video
15:36 < TheSeven> the themes are compatible between these models, so that part should work
15:37 < TheSeven> it might be easier to do it manually though (it's mostly a matter of unpacking a zip file to the ipod)
15:38 < Dalvini> ok, i'll proably do that then
15:39 < Dalvini> thanks again for the great job you're doing
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