--- Log opened Mon Oct 03 00:03:01 2011
00:03 < Maver> i did do a windows format with itunes
00:03 < Maver> my friends itunes cuzz i didn't want to bother with it on my computer
00:03 < Maver> but i thought he had an older itunes that would be more compatable with all this stuff
00:03 < [Saint_AndChat]> Something's wrong then. Also, iTunes version doesn't matter really.
00:03 < [7]> hm, so you have all these apple folders on your device?
00:04 < [7]> especially iPod_Control/iTunes?
00:04 < Maver> i never put music on it
00:04 < Maver> so i don't have itunes
00:04 < Maver> but i have ipod control as a hidden folder
00:04 < Maver> calendars contacts notes recordings
00:05 < Maver> and metadata saying to never index
00:05 < [7]> hm, even if you didn't put music on it there should be an ipod_control\itunes\itunesdb file
00:05 < Maver> oh wait
00:05 < [Saint_AndChat]> Its created at boot, all that is. If iPod_control isn't there, something's warped.
00:05 < Maver> wow i'm an idot again
00:05 < Maver> there is a ipod control/itunes
00:05 < Maver> thought you were talking about 2 different folders in the root
00:06 < Maver> and a itunesdb inside of that
00:06 < [Saint_AndChat]> Ok...right, then there should be no reason floola can't "see" it.
00:06 < [Saint_AndChat]> Unless its corrupted to fuck.
00:07 < Maver> lol it can and it can use it but it just says unknown itunes verision
00:07 < Maver> but i ran sharepod
00:07 < Maver> went back to start up floola to see what the error extatly said but now it doesn't show up
00:07 < Maver> i'm getting sharepod fixed whatever floola didn't like
00:07 < [7]> apprently, and this wouldn't be the first time it did that :)
00:08 < Maver> lol
00:08 < Maver> doesn't windows media player sync up with ipods these days or not?
00:08 < Maver> just curious
00:08 < [Saint_AndChat]> It will with Rockbox.
00:08 < Maver> i'm more curious how do i get m3us onto an ipod
00:09 < Maver> rockbox is interesting but their saying they still don't support the classic, power issues and stuff
00:09 < Maver> on my older ipod i loved it
00:09 < [Saint_AndChat]> Lol
00:09 < [7]> yeah, basically battery runtime cut into half
00:09 < Maver> geez
00:09 < [Saint_AndChat]> This *is* Rockbox.
00:09 < Maver> is that a lack of a proper sleep mode?
00:09 < [7]> and seemingly-random crashes every couple of hours
00:09 < [7]> we have no idea what the cause is
00:10 < [7]> it just sucks more power if our code is running, even if it's sleeping all the time
00:10 < [7]> there's probably some deeper sleep mode that apple is using and that we haven't yet discovered
00:10 < Maver> hmm
00:11 < [Saint_AndChat]> Its "supported", but since there's no dual-boot and the installation is non-trivial its still classed as unusable(?)
00:11 < [7]> yes, it still is
00:11 < [7]> might be promoted to unstable once we bother to build a normal rockbox bootloader for it
00:12 < [7]> these guys really go nuts when they see the emcore boot menu :P
00:12 < [Saint_AndChat]> But, the build you'll end up installing is still built by the Rockbox project. Its just not made public by them due to its classification.
00:13 < [Saint_AndChat]> [7]: no fancy bootloaders! ;)
00:14 < [Saint_AndChat]> Its a shit policy.
00:14 < Maver> lol
00:14  * [7] wonders if he should abandon rockbox and revive ipodlinux instead :P
00:14 < [Saint_AndChat]> I'm not even sure its a policy, rather a dated point of view.
00:15  * Farthen prepared some itunes drivers: http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/iTunes%20Drivers.zip
00:15 < [7]> that might be a *lot* more fun to play with, even though it's probably of not much real use, apart from learning to tinker with the kernel
00:15 < [7]> Farthen: I'm not sure if we want to share these publicly for copyright reasons
00:15 < [Saint_AndChat]> Bah!
00:15 < [Saint_AndChat]> Beat me to it.
00:16 < [7]> well, it's Farthen's server, so I don't really care :)
00:17  * Farthen wonders when [7] will finally stop deprecating the stuff he started half a year ago
00:17 < Maver> lol
00:18 < [7]> well, I should probably finally finish this stuff
00:18 < [7]> once we have a rockbox bootloader, they can take care of that
00:18 < Farthen> [7]: for copyright's sake i will remove them again after thy have been downloaded
00:18  * [7] wonders who's maintaining ipodpatcher
00:18 < Farthen> [7]: nobody
00:18 < [Saint_AndChat]> Noone.
00:19 < Farthen> [7]: you
00:19 < [Saint_AndChat]> Heh.
00:19 < [7]> nah, i never touched that one
00:19 < [7]> i think it might be linuxstb or someone
00:19 < Farthen> well, i don't think he is maintaining it in the literal sense. more in the lazy sense
00:20 < [Saint_AndChat]> Git blame
00:20 < [7]> well, maintaining in the "having the knowledge" sense
00:20 < [7]> the way I am "maintaining" all this stuff right now
00:21 < [7]> It's not like I'd have time to really push it forward
00:21 < [Saint_AndChat]> When you've time to.
00:21 < Farthen> i think freemyipod is more maintained than ipodpatcher is
00:21 < [Saint_AndChat]> Oh, certainly.
00:21 < [7]> yeah, but that's because ipodpatcher is a well-established component that hasn't needed changes since nano2g support was added
00:21 < Farthen> who added nano 2g support?
00:21 < [7]> i think it was linuxstb
00:21 < Farthen> ok
00:22 < Farthen> i though it was you
00:22 < [7]> that was just a matter of adding the osos renaming functionality and adapting it to a slightly different firmware partition layout
00:22 < [7]> classic support will be a lot harder
00:22 < [7]> damn new update protocol :/
00:22 < Farthen> why do we want classic support in ipodpatcher?
00:23 < [7]> to pass all of this mess over to the rockbox project :P
00:23 < Farthen> oh, i don't know if they would be happy about that
00:23 < [7]> why? that's what they seem to be aiming for
00:23 < [7]> rockbox bootloader + ipodpatcher + rockbox utility support
00:23  * Farthen doesn't see where rockbox is aiming for atm
00:23 < [7]> that's basically what's holding it back from "unstable" status
00:24 < [7]> the rockbox bootloader part will be rather easy once we have ipodpatcher support
00:24 < [7]> actually this might be a way to enable dualboot without too much hassle
00:25  * Farthen thinks this is getting rather offtopic
00:25 < [Saint_AndChat]> It is?
00:25 < [7]> yeah, this is a #freemyipod discussion
00:25 < [Saint_AndChat]> Oh...right. I just noticed where we were. Whoops.
00:25 < [7]> or even a #rockbox one
00:26  * Farthen is wondering if Maver has already downloaded that file
00:28 < Maver> yes i have thanks
00:28 < Maver> sorry
00:29 < Farthen> no problem
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06:52 < Mari> Hi!
06:52 < Mari> I get an error "ATA: Error 80000000 while reading BBT (sector 0, count 1)
06:52 < Mari> The error also appears after removing the hard drive. But after installing a new hard drive it still shows up and nothing works. Are both hard drives broken or is it possible that it's something about the software?
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16:21 < ScaV> hi
16:38 < ScaV> hm. why rockbox is not object-oriented?
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16:38 < ScaV> if it is still written using C + + features
17:24 < user890104> ScaV: because it's runnng on devices with very low amounts of memory
17:24 < ScaV> what is about java?
17:24 < user890104> so C / ASM is the best way in order for the binaries to be small
17:25 < user890104> Java?! You need to write a virtual machine for the target architecture
17:25 < user890104> this is more likely a question for #rockbox
17:29 < ScaV> user890104: why 890104?
17:33 < user890104> because your question is not related to emCORE, but to rockbox
17:33 < TheSeven> woah, you made my day! :)
17:34 < ScaV> user890104: where are you from? 
17:35 < user890104> uhm, this isn't an emCORE-related question either :)
17:35 < TheSeven> most Java VMs alone are bigger than an ipod's memory
17:35 < TheSeven> also, there's things like IP geolocation :)
17:36 < ScaV> TheSeven: it's booooring)
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17:36 < ScaV> TheSeven: and proxies...
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20:00 < Petrakis> Hi
20:00 < Petrakis> Do you remember me?
20:01 < Petrakis> Guess what! 
20:01 < Petrakis> A *Panic* again
20:02 < Petrakis> FTL: Scheduling bank 0 block k 1489 for remap!
20:02 < Petrakis> (I was turning off the ipod nano 2g)
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20:22 < TheSeven> hm, ftl corruption or actually a bad block?
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