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07:51 < classic-through-> under the linux python installation script, i get "ImportError: No module named core" from the import usb.core line, in fedora 15
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08:41 < classic-through-> python issue solved: install the rpm for version 1 for fedora 16 rather than using pyusb 0.4*
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17:58 < lol> hello?
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17:59 < lol> anybody here?
17:59 < [Saint]> Just ask your question.
18:00 < lol> if i install emcore on my ipod classic 3g, will i have the option to boot to the apple stock firmware if i want to?
18:04 < TheSeven> no
18:05 < TheSeven> or at least not yet - and I have no idea if/when that feature might be added
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18:13 < dd8ne> Hi, I've just a question. I've seen, that the iPod Touch 2G is 'supported' by emCore. What is/will be the benefit of using emcore?
18:14 < dd8ne> For my iPod Nano2 it's very easy.. but 
18:22 < TheSeven> nothing
18:22 < TheSeven> it's just the kernel that has been ported, with only the most neccessary drivers
18:22 < TheSeven> no button/touchscreen or storage access support yet
18:22 < TheSeven> basically just display and USB
18:22 < TheSeven> this was mostly a proof of concept build
18:22 < [Saint__]> So...no benefit, and a huge loss :)
18:23 < TheSeven> (because of its similarity to the nano4g)
18:23 < dd8ne> ok. so it#s just an concept.. more or less
18:23 < dd8ne> yes. i agree
18:23 < TheSeven> i wanted to show to the idroid guys that our USB driver works better on their hardware than their own one :P
18:24 < dd8ne> :-)
18:25 < dd8ne> btw. My iPod Nano 2G runs still on 708. Is it worth to do an update?
18:26 < [Saint__]> ...nor particularly.
18:26 < [Saint__]> *not
18:27 < dd8ne> ok. so have a nice evening all together...
18:27 < [Saint__]> 708 is nice & stable. Later revisions are more for the Classic.
18:28 < dd8ne> ok. thank you
18:28 < dd8ne> bye
18:28 < [Saint__]> O/
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19:44 < nieuwbie> hello, how to load emcore app to emcore console?
19:44 < user890104> you can use the python usb tools to run one
19:45 < user890104> python emcore.py run <your-app-name.emcoreapp>
19:46 < nieuwbie> hmm
19:46 < user890104> what are you trying to do actually?
19:46 < nieuwbie> Just hello world
19:46 < user890104> well it should work this way
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19:46 < nieuwbie> Incompatible API version. :/
19:47 < user890104> you need to recompile it for the api version you have on your ipod
19:47 < nieuwbie> or load the new emcore right?
19:47 < user890104> yeah
19:47 < user890104> you can run a build from the ram
19:47 < user890104> with execfirmware
19:47 < user890104> then try running the app again
19:47 < user890104> so basicly
19:48 < user890104> python emcore.py runfirmware 0x08000000 emcore-whatever.ubi (or .bin)
19:48 < user890104> python emcore.py run helloworld.emcoreapp
19:48 < user890104> did you compile the app yourself or you used a binary from somewhere?
19:49 < user890104> and which emcore version do you have installed, and what is your device?
19:50 < nieuwbie> I use r708 with ipod classic 1G
19:50 < user890104> i started writing an app launcher a while ago, but something didn't work as expected so i didn't finish it
19:54 < nieuwbie> Happens. Ok, it works. ;]
19:54 < nieuwbie> Cheers.
19:58 < user890104> and since you reminded me of that app, i might try to complete it :)
19:58 < nieuwbie> I wish you luck.
19:58 < nieuwbie> Something is wrong. Trying to load the firmware again and I get an error.
19:58 < nieuwbie> *Panic*
19:59 < user890104> what does it say after the *panic* ?
20:00 < nieuwbie>  Data abort at 220015E0!
20:00 < nieuwbie> FSR: 00000005 (domain 0, fault 5)
20:00 < nieuwbie> Address: 007A1200
20:02 < nieuwbie> I made mistake somewhere.
20:02 < nieuwbie> I see
20:04 < nieuwbie> I wrote a small script long time ago for embios and it had 08000000 istead of 0x08000000. That caused the *PANIC*.
20:06 < nieuwbie> Got little bit time to spare?
20:16 < user890104> yeah, the syntax has changed
20:16 < user890104> time for what? if you have a question, just ask it
20:17 < nieuwbie> Little chat. ^^
20:17 < nieuwbie> Let suppose that I want to port a kernel to an ipod
20:17 < nieuwbie> Where would you start?
20:19 < user890104> i don't know, never wrote a kernel for any device
20:19 < nieuwbie> pity.
20:19 < user890104> TheSeven is the main developer, he knows more than me on this subject
20:19 < nieuwbie> Emcore is quite interesting but has no standard assosiated with it.
20:19 < user890104> i'm basicly writing apps and finding/fixing easy bugs
20:20 < user890104> there's a usb monitor protocol, which is described (not completely) in the wiki
20:21 < user890104> there are C and python implementations of the client-side code
20:21 < nieuwbie> RTFSC? :P
20:22 < user890104> for most if it, yes
20:22 < user890104> (that's how i ported the usb protocol from python to C)
20:22 < nieuwbie> Interesting.
20:22 < nieuwbie> any specific knowledge is required?
20:23 < user890104> for apps you need some C knowledge and understanding of the syscalls api
20:24 < user890104> for the kernel - C and ASM for the drivers (when the tasks are time-critical, like the display driver)
20:24 < nieuwbie> I see.
20:25 < nieuwbie> Nothing new.
20:37 < nieuwbie> That cputs, has first argument named consoles.
20:37 < nieuwbie> What's that?
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20:39  * TheSeven starts reading backlog
20:42 < TheSeven> nieuwbie: that's a bitmask of the consoles the output should go to
20:42 < TheSeven> 1 being the lcd, 2 the usb console, 4 the uart
20:42 < nieuwbie> Could you explain that?
20:43 < TheSeven> if you want to print a message to the lcd, use 1. if you want to print it to the usb debug console, use 2. if you want both, use 3. and so on...
20:43 < TheSeven> (the usb console can be accessed using the "emcore.py console" command)
20:44 < nieuwbie> it's something like file descriptor?
20:44 < TheSeven> well, from an API point of view, this behaves like fprintf, yes
20:44 < TheSeven> but the fd is a bitmask of consoles instead
20:45 < TheSeven> re: porting a more standardized kernel...
20:46 < TheSeven> i'm planning to port L4/Fiasco.OC to the classic one day
20:46 < TheSeven> don't have the time do to it right now though
20:46 < nieuwbie> ok, but I would you start to do so?
20:46 < nieuwbie> I'm interested in kernels but still a newbie.
20:47 < TheSeven> well, I barely know Fiasco either, but know a bit about kernel development and hardware interfaces in general
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