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00:34 < esalazioneHg> [7] that's the first dump http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0e596ef6.html
00:35 < esalazioneHg> [7] i had to reset manualli and boot into emCORE console mode, the ipod timed uot sometimes wile running the scripts
00:37 < esalazioneHg> [7] this second dump should be still valid
00:42 < esalazioneHg> [7] http://www.datafilehost.com/download-84484637.html
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10:23 < [7]> esalazioneHg: just to make sure: the dump.tar.bz2 file was dumped after wiping, without any attempts to run disk mode in between, then diskmode was run until it rebooted by itself, and then the after.tar.bz2 file was dumped?
10:24 < esalazioneHg> i wipened, then dumped the dump tarball, then entered disk mode while unplugged
10:25 < esalazioneHg> whei it rebooted itself i tryed dumping but it timed out, so i manually reset and entered emcore console, then dumped the "after" tarball
10:26 < esalazioneHg> if the after tar is not correct i can redo...but it timed out some times before i can dump the after-disk mode dump
10:26 < [7]> well, the before and after dumps are completely identical, so that would mean that either you messed something up, or disk mode didn't do anything at all
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10:27 < [7]> also the before dump is a mostly blank image, but with some blocks containing rather odd patterns
10:28 < [7]> bank 0 block 3264
10:28 < [7]> bank 0 block 3310
10:28 < [7]> bank 0 block 5426
10:28 < [7]> bank 3 block 5918
10:28 < [7]> bank 3 block 7758
10:29 < [7]> all pages of these contain 12 bytes of 0xff and then zeros in their spare bytes and all zeros in their data bytes
10:29 < [7]> but the erase operation apparently reported no errors at all
10:32 < esalazioneHg> uhm...is it a good thing? o.0
10:33 < [7]> well, if you did everything correctly this means that the flash chip itself didn't notice that some erase operations weren't performed at all, which is rather odd
10:34 < [7]> i mean, it's not one flipped bit, but rather 16800 out of 16896 bits of each page not being erased correctly... the chip should really have noticed that
10:36 < [7]> but on the other hand, I don't think that disk mode would even notice this... judging from the speed it must be relying on the data that the chip reports, and probably won't touch these blocks at all during initialization
11:20 < esalazioneHg> uhm...
11:21 < [7]> so yeah, I don't really understand why disk mode is not doing reinitialization
11:21 < esalazioneHg> if it's right...why rockbox < 3.7.1 worked well with rockbox bootloader and > 3.7.1 hangs in some seconds?
11:21 < esalazioneHg> what's the big difference between those version?
11:21 < [7]> the rockbox issues (and also weird disk mode behavior) were probably caused by an inconsistend FTL state
11:22 < [7]> now we wiped the flash in order to let disk mode recreate all the structures, but it refuses to do that for some reason
11:22 < esalazioneHg> i read somewhere that it uses a different method (AMD? i don't remember) that was not used in 3.7.1 and earlyer...is it right?
11:25 < [7]> well, there's a whole lot of differences between these versions, including some FTL fixes
11:26 < esalazioneHg> maybe those fixes don't work on some ipod while the previous situation still works....
11:26 < esalazioneHg> can we manipulate FTL directly?
11:26 < esalazioneHg> so we can initialize it manually and/or discover what's happening
11:27 < esalazioneHg> ?
11:27 < user890104> [7]: or maybe write an ftl dump from another ipod?
11:27 < [7]> the problem is that we have no code to initialize it, we didn't bother to look deeper once normal read/write access worked
11:28 < [7]> user890104: might work, but will probably incorrectly flag some blocks as bad... could help diagnosing at least
11:28 < [7]> however we don't yet have a way to write an image to the flash - we should probably implement that
11:30 < user890104> i thought that if there is a dump command, there should also be a write one
11:31 < [7]> well, nobody bothered :)
11:32 < [7]> user890104: so you have a non-testsigning libusb?
11:32  * [7] still hasn't fixed his driver mess
11:33 < user890104> i think i'm using the signed version (which has some bug iirc)
11:33 < user890104> so windows doesn't complain
11:34 < user890104> and it hadn't crashed the windows kernel so far, so i'm happy with it :)
11:35 < esalazioneHg> what about doing something like that? is it possible or the flashing did it unpossible? http://ipl.derpapst.eu/wiki/Restore_without_iTunes#Restore_the_Disk_Layout
11:35 < esalazioneHg> if i can restore the vfat partition i can, at least, add the appleos.bin file and maybe also a .rockbox dir
11:36 < [7]> the problem you're dealing with is at a lower level
11:37 < esalazioneHg> my most priority in that, doing those test, i can still use some firmware to use my ipod....after that i can do every test that can helps :)
11:38 < esalazioneHg> if i can still return using my ipod at some time, i'll be happy :D
11:57 < [7]> hm, the libusb changelog claims that everything from 1.2.0.0 onwards would be signed, but 1.2.5.0 clearly isn't
11:57 < [7]> user890104: which version are you using?
12:11 < user890104> [7]: 1.2.1.0
12:11 < user890104> and it says "not digitally signed" .. wtf?!
12:12 < user890104> http://i.imgur.com/W4UBq.png
12:12 < user890104> i'm using the same driver with my AVR Dragon :)
12:14 < user890104> but windows installs it and doesn't complain
12:14 < user890104> well, it complains a bit during the installation
12:14 < user890104> but it works then
12:15 < [7]> so you have testsigning enabled?
12:15 < [7]> or is that 32bit windows?
12:15 < user890104> no, i boot windows the normal way
12:16 < user890104> it's x64
12:16 < [7]> that's weird... it refuses to start the driver here
12:16 < [7]> er, why on earth does the nand access code in emcore.py use hardwired addresses instead of malloc?
12:17 < user890104> it did the same with the winavr driver, but i replaced the binaries with the ones i'm using with the freemyipod driver and it worked
12:17 < [7]> can you send me that .sys binary?
12:17 < user890104> yeah
12:18 < user890104> this is my bcdedit configuration: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EiHj5g15
12:18 < user890104> so it's the default + GRUB
12:21 < user890104> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-421df8c3.html
12:22 < user890104> well, it looks like the files are signed
12:22 < user890104> but device manager lists them as unsigned
12:25 < [7]> indeed, that one is signed
12:26 < user890104> tbh i don't remember where did i get these from
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14:18 < [7]> esalazioneHg: update your emcore.py, and download this file: http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/clean_ftl_2555D5EC.tar.bz2
14:19 < esalazioneHg> ok
14:19 < [7]> extract it, and run sudo python emcore.py ipodnano2g_restorenand clean_ftl_2555D5EC/clean_ftl_2555D5EC
14:20 < [7]> and hope for the best :)
14:21 < esalazioneHg> lol
14:21 < esalazioneHg> it doesen't sound good :D
14:21 < esalazioneHg> i'm going to emCORE console first, it's ok?
14:21 < [7]> well, it did work on mine, but as we learnt yesterday that doesn't mean anything
14:21 < [7]> yeah
14:22 < [7]> otherwise it would power down after a while
14:24 < esalazioneHg> to update the emcore.py i have to run "svn co"?
14:25 < user890104> svn up
14:28 < esalazioneHg> uhm...the command you posted is
14:28 < esalazioneHg> sudo python emcore.py ipodnano2g_restorenand clean_ftl_2555D5EC/clean_ftl_2555D5EC
14:28 < esalazioneHg> should it be
14:28 < esalazioneHg> sudo python emcore.py ipodnano2g_restorenand clean_ftl_2555D5EC/clean_ftl_2555D5EC*
14:28 < esalazioneHg> ?
14:30 < user890104> no, you just need to give the prefix
14:31 < user890104> it will figure out the remaining of the filenames
14:31 < esalazioneHg>  ipodnano2g_restorenand <filenameprefix> [force = False] 
14:31 < esalazioneHg>     Target-specific function: ipodnano2g
14:31 < esalazioneHg>     Restores the whole NAND chip from <filenameprefix>_data.bin and <filenameprefix>_spare.bin
14:31 < esalazioneHg>     [force]: use this flag to suppress the 10 seconds delay
14:31 < esalazioneHg> ERROR: 'Data file size does not match flash size!'
14:32 < user890104> uhm, what's your ipod's capacity?
14:32 < esalazioneHg> 8GB
14:33 < user890104> i guess [7]'s is not 8GB then
14:33 < user890104> mine is 4GB
14:35 < user890104> [Saint]: do you happen to have an 8GB nano2g?
14:36 < [Saint]> Not handy...
14:37 < esalazioneHg> can't we fill with 4GB of empty files? :P
14:38 < user890104> it's not 4GB of files, but 4GB of low-level flash data
14:38 < [Saint]> Uhhhhhmmmm, no :)
14:39 < esalazioneHg> uh, wait
14:39 < esalazioneHg> i've seen a prob
14:39 < esalazioneHg> the file i extracted was partial...no space left on this dev
14:39 < esalazioneHg> i'll reextract on the other hd
14:39 < esalazioneHg> :P
14:40 < user890104> ah..
14:42 < esalazioneHg> i tought it was smaller..
14:48 < user890104> i think that [7] figured out what is your flash size and made a file that will fit in it
14:48 < user890104> so this is going to be larger than 8GB
15:08 < [7]> user890104: I have the exact same chip, and it was successfully written to mine
15:08 < [7]> so I'd suspect something went wrong while unpacking it
15:09 < [7]> there are dozens of possible flash layouts for the nano2gs, but we apparently happened to have the exact same one, making things a lot easier
15:12 < esalazioneHg> it's programming the blocks
15:14  * [7] wonders if there will be any errors
15:15 < esalazioneHg> now eresing...till now no errors
15:16 < [7]> which block number is it processing right now?
15:21 < esalazioneHg> done
15:21 < [7]> now reboot your ipod and boot rockbox
15:22 < esalazioneHg> i'll reset manually?
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15:27 < esalazioneHg> it launched the fallback image
15:38 < [7]> can you access the flash?
15:38 < [7]> if yes, extract a rockbox 3.9.1 or whatever image to it
15:46 < esalazioneHg> via disk image?
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15:52 < esalazioneHg> *disk mode
15:54 < esalazioneHg> [26403.078112] end_request: critical target error, dev sdd, sector 0
15:58 < [7]> i meant using rockbox
16:01 < esalazioneHg> ?
16:13 < user890104> boot the rockbox fallback image, and use it as disk mode
16:13 < user890104> to copy the full set of rockbox files
16:13 < esalazioneHg> it works
16:13 < esalazioneHg> cool
16:14 < esalazioneHg> can i put also the .boot dir with the appleos.bin file?
16:14 < user890104> ъеах
16:14 < user890104> yeah *
16:14 < esalazioneHg> i'll put the 3.7.1 version for test...and two songs
16:15 < user890104> can you try mine
16:15 < user890104> to see if it's still having issues
16:15 < user890104> if it doesn't work, replace it with 3.7.1
16:15 < esalazioneHg> your...uhm....i'll search it
16:16 < esalazioneHg> i download a lot of things in those 2 days XD
16:16 < user890104> well ...
16:17 < user890104> i can upload it again
16:18 < user890104> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-69f842d4.html
16:19 < esalazioneHg> i've just found it :D
16:19 < esalazioneHg> thanks
16:20 < user890104> if it works, i'd recomment using this one
16:21 < user890104> untill there is a more recent stable rockbox build
16:21 < user890104> because thay made a lot of changes in the last month or two, and the current builds don't seem to be stable to me
16:23 < esalazioneHg> i'd like to help with giving infos to my problem with newer version..
16:25 < user890104> if it doesn't work, we can try to find the problem
16:25 < user890104> did you uploaded it to the ipod?
16:25 < esalazioneHg> yes, and 1 .ogg, 1.mp3
16:25 < esalazioneHg> i'm rebooting
16:25 < user890104> give it a try for like 30 minutes
16:26 < user890104> if it works fine, then the issue was in the flash memory, not it rockbox
16:26 < user890104> but if it doesn't...
16:27 < esalazioneHg> the .ogg hangs after 3 secs
16:28 < user890104> everything hangs and the display doesn't update anymore
16:28 < user890104> or it stutters on the last sound?
16:28 < esalazioneHg> it's silent
16:28 < esalazioneHg> i rebooted, it shows "FTL cleaning" or similar...i'll retry with mp3
16:28 < user890104> ok, try the older rockbox
16:29 < user890104> this is normal, since it was not shut down properly
16:29 < user890104> another thing you can try is to upload the same file a couple of times
16:29 < esalazioneHg> mp3 hangs after 3 secs too
16:29 < user890104> and try the different copies
16:29 < user890104> it could be because of flash memory damage
16:30 < user890104> but it's unlikely
16:31 < esalazioneHg> i entered rockbox, plugged in the ipod and....
16:31 < esalazioneHg> *PANIC*
16:31 < esalazioneHg> FTL: Scheduling bank 0 block 5426 for remap
16:33 < user890104> this is from rockbox, and not from emcore?
16:33 < user890104> reset it with menu+select, emcore should do the rest
16:35 < esalazioneHg> i rebooted, emcore corrected the FTL, then i booted rockbox and plugged in....panic
16:35 < [7]> 5426 is one of the bad ones which obviously aren't flagged in my image
16:36 < [7]> this is now yet another case where I'd go for disk mode, but you said that this still doesn't work for you?
16:37 < [7]> are you sure that this is an ipod-side problem and not just some linux-related screwup? (i've seen enough of the latter, but usually not with apple code but rather with ours=
16:37 < esalazioneHg> i think it's an ipod problem because the panic message is shown on the ipod, not in the linux terminal
16:38 < [7]> i meant the disk mode issue
16:38 < esalazioneHg> first time i entered disk mode through rockbox fallback image it worked...from the .rockbox user890104's build it panic
16:38  * [7] is puzzled?
16:39 < user890104> it is the same binary
16:39 < user890104> the rockbox build and the fallback build
16:39 < [7]> how do you enter disk mode through rockbox?
16:39 < esalazioneHg> boot rockbox, plug the usb
16:40 < [7]> huh?
16:41 < esalazioneHg> i boot emCORE, i click on rockbox icon, theni insert the ipod cable
16:41 < [7]> well, that's not disk mode
16:42 < esalazioneHg> uhm
16:44 < esalazioneHg> so...what "boot the rockbox fallback image, and use it as disk mode" does mean?
16:46 < [7]> "use it to copy the files" would have been the better explanation
16:46 < esalazioneHg> i still can't understand...how can i do that?
16:47 < [7]> he just meant to tell you that you can copy rockbox that way as well (as I instructed you before) if disk mode is acting up
16:47 < [7]> but you'll need the real apple disk mode to flag the bad block
16:48 < esalazioneHg> if i can boot disk mode once again, or if i can acces the flash in some ways, i can add .boot/appleos.bin
16:49 < esalazioneHg> if i format the data partition the fallback image permit me to acces the partition as i did before?
16:51 < [7]> most likely not
16:51 < esalazioneHg> and if i do the restorenand again?
16:52 < [7]> anyway, you should really try to fix the root cause and not just poke around randomly to get it to work briefly and fail again a minute later
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17:15 < esalazioneHg> launching the apple's firmware and letting its disk mode correct the sector?
17:28 < user890104> exactly
17:28 < user890104> apple firmware or apple's disk mode
18:03 < esalazioneHg> tu launcl apple's one i need to have the .boot/appleos.bin
18:04 < esalazioneHg> tu add this file i need to acces the partition...how could i do?
18:09 < user890104> esalazioneHg: python emcore.py runfirmware 0x08000000 AppleOS.bin
18:11 < user890104> you have the file, right?
18:12 < user890104> disk mode can be launched in a similar way
18:13 < esalazioneHg> yes, i have it
18:18 < esalazioneHg> diskmode throug runfirmware worked!
18:19 < [7]> which diskmode image?
18:20 < [7]> where did you obtain it from?
18:20 < [7]> so the disk mode image in your ipod's NOR flash is broken, or what's going on here?
18:20 < user890104> i gave him one
18:21 < [7]> that's really really odd because launching it from the menu should do basically the same
18:22 < user890104> well i think that all things happening to his ipod are odd
18:22 < user890104> so this is not an exception :)
18:22 < user890104> esalazioneHg: did apple firmware work too?
18:23 < esalazioneHg> i'm creating the .boot dir
18:23 < esalazioneHg> [you have to admit i'ts a challenging search XD]
18:25 < esalazioneHg> i'm adding rockbox 3.7.1 too for test
18:25 < esalazioneHg> should i put something other in it for some test?
18:29 < esalazioneHg> from emCORE i can boot apple's firm
18:31 < esalazioneHg> now, while i'm on the apple's firmware, i'll plug the cable to enter apple's disk mode
18:31 < [7]> this is NOT disk mode!
18:31 < esalazioneHg> ok, this mode :P i don't know how to name it
18:31 < esalazioneHg> but, it worked
18:32 < esalazioneHg> i'll reboot and try rockbox 3.7.1
18:33 < esalazioneHg> rockbox don't boot....
18:34 < esalazioneHg> hangs at the splash logo
18:34 < [7]> but 3.9.1 works?
18:34 < esalazioneHg> if i clik play button a "blue/black" square appears in the top-lest corner
18:35 < [7]> hm, lcd setup trouble
18:35 < esalazioneHg> i'll try disk mode from emCORE
18:36 < esalazioneHg> 3.9.1 user890104's build hanged [tried before booting the apple's disk script]
18:39 < esalazioneHg> disk mode from emCORE still not work
18:41 < esalazioneHg> diskflsh still work
18:42 < user890104> can you upload/download files using diskflsh?
18:43 < user890104> i mean, are there any errors/unusual messages in dmesg
18:43 < esalazioneHg> yes, i can
18:43 < esalazioneHg> n-no
18:44 < user890104> can you run the installer .ubi with runfirmware?
18:44 < esalazioneHg> dmesg sees an sdd, but it read an FAT-fs
18:44 < esalazioneHg> last line in dmesg is empty
18:45 < esalazioneHg> now i'm trying rockbox 3.9.1 from site
18:46 < esalazioneHg> no dmesg error
18:46 < esalazioneHg> 3.9.1 boots
18:46 < esalazioneHg> i'll try playback
18:48 < esalazioneHg> at 4-5 secs bad playback, some noise...hangs at 8 secs
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18:49 < user890104> you basicly need to reinstall emcore
18:49 < esalazioneHg> [user890104] which .ubi should i try?
18:49 < user890104> installer-ipodnano2g.ubi
18:49 < esalazioneHg> the last one you sent me?
18:49 < user890104> yes
18:49 < esalazioneHg> i've got...3 of that XD
18:49 < user890104> uhm ... well
18:49 < user890104> it doesn't matter
18:49 < user890104> the last one preferably
18:49 < esalazioneHg> i'm watching the date ;)
18:50 < user890104> it has most debug info printed on the screen when you run it
18:50 < user890104> so if we assume that you flash is fixed, this should install fine
18:54 < esalazioneHg> done!
18:54 < esalazioneHg> it worked
18:54 < user890104> everything works?
18:55 < esalazioneHg> the flashing worked
18:55 < esalazioneHg> so the .ubi in run
18:55 < user890104> ok, now you probably need a build with debug logging disabled
18:56 < user890104> because this one prints a lot of stuff to both consoles :)
18:56 < user890104> can you flash the first one i sent you? it should be like 2 days ago
18:58 < esalazioneHg> let's try booting apple's and rockbox first
18:58 < esalazioneHg> my xterm console is closed :D
18:58 < user890104> there's no reason why apple's firmware won't work
18:58 < user890104> i mean the console on ipod's screen
18:58 < esalazioneHg> but there's reason for rockbox
18:59 < esalazioneHg> not a problem..i like terminal-style screen :D
18:59 < user890104> well ...
19:00 < user890104> it would draw on the top of the boot menu when you scroll the clickwheel or press buttons
19:00 < esalazioneHg> i've seen :D
19:00 < esalazioneHg> 3.9.1 still hangs
19:00 < user890104> ok, use 3.7.1 then
19:01 < esalazioneHg> i'll try disk mode
19:01 < user890104> if it works fine for some time, we can try to find the problem in the latter versions of rockbox
19:02 < esalazioneHg> disk mode still not work
19:03 < user890104> disk mode from the menu?
19:03 < esalazioneHg> yep
19:04 < user890104> well ... my suggestion would be to restore with itunes, then uninstall emcore
19:05 < user890104> then reinstall either emcore or the rockbox bootloader
19:05 < user890104> using their utility
19:06 < esalazioneHg> you mean ipodpatcher?
19:06 < user890104> no
19:06 < user890104> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility
19:06 < user890104> well you can use ipodpatcher of course
19:06 < user890104> and manually extract the files
19:06 < esalazioneHg> is there a way to "restore with itunes" on Debian?
19:07 < user890104> well ... not actually
19:07 < esalazioneHg> uff
19:07 < user890104> unless you make a VM with windows
19:08 < esalazioneHg> i'll try wine
19:08 < user890104> it won't be successful
19:08 < user890104> i don't know if itunes would install
19:08 < esalazioneHg> ok..i'll use a win XP i have on a pc
19:09 < user890104> i think you can write apple's firmware to the firmware partition manually
19:09 < user890104> but i don't know any more details
19:09 < user890104> i have a windows xp VM with itunes for such cases :)
19:09 < esalazioneHg> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347
19:12 < esalazioneHg> it seems rockbox bootloader is less invasive...
19:12 < esalazioneHg> (rockbox 3.7.1 still not working)
19:15 < esalazioneHg> playonlinux , a wine "facility", have itunes10 and itunes7
19:15 < user890104> you are free to try to restore it somehow
19:16 < user890104> in order to get it recognized by itunes, you need to be either in disk mode, or in apple's OS
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20:51 < user890104> esalazioneHg: what's running on your ipod so far?
20:52 < esalazioneHg> i restored it and uninstalled emCORE
20:52 < esalazioneHg> i'm chosing bethween emCORE and rb bootloader
20:53 < esalazioneHg> i think i'll chose the second one...worked well...or do you think emcore is better for some reason? i.e. tests
20:57 < user890104> emcore is more functional for developers
20:57 < user890104> my personal preference would be emcore, with apple's firmware partition left undeleted
20:57 < esalazioneHg> now that's restored, i can uninstall emcore when i want without problem?
20:57 < user890104> so you can install/uninstall it without ever requiring itunes
20:57 < esalazioneHg> perfect
20:58 < user890104> only if you leave the firmware partition
20:58 < user890104> otherwise you need to restore again
20:59 < esalazioneHg> what amcore version should i run to help you?
20:59 < esalazioneHg> r773?
21:01 < [7]> seriously, i think you help us most by avoiding any trouble in the future, i.e. sticking with apple as much as possible => using the rockbox bootloader
21:01 < [7]> emcore is highly experimental software
21:05 < esalazioneHg> lol!
21:05 < esalazioneHg> it can't helps you to find out bugs, etc?
21:05 < esalazioneHg> i came here only to try to find out why version >3.7.1 don't work for someone...
21:06 < esalazioneHg> otherwise i'd continued with 3.7.1 :P
21:06 < user890104> if >3.7.1 doesn't also work with rockbox's bootloader, you should complain to them
21:07 < user890104> the nano2g build is marked as stable, so it's supported by the rockbox community
21:10 < esalazioneHg> i said it in the #rockbox and they suggested me to use amcore...
21:10 < esalazioneHg> then i found problem with emcore
21:10 < user890104> the problem was in your ipod's flash, which should be fixed now
21:11 < esalazioneHg> ok, i'll try with rb bootloader
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