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14:06 < JamesR> Hi, I've installed EmCore and Rockbox onto my iPod, and it was all working fine until I installed fastboot, it now says '*PANIC* Incompatible API Version! Got 2, need 4', it won't do anything, or connect, please can somebody help?
14:08 < TheSeven> it should connect to you pc while showing this message
14:09 < TheSeven> however not as a storage device, but instead as an emcore debugging interface
14:09 < TheSeven> you apparently installed a fastboot app for a newer kernel version than you have installed
14:09 < JamesR> It's not doing that, it won't connect as anything, I'm on Windows 7 and it doesn't seem to recognise that it's plugged in
14:10 < TheSeven> so there's not even an unknown device in the device manager?
14:11 < JamesR> Actually yes, it's in the device manager as emCore Debugger under other devices, can I fix it from there?
14:20 < user890104> yes
14:21 < user890104> first, which emcore version and fastboot version did you download and installed?
14:22 < JamesR> According to the boot screen I installed emCORE version 0.2.0 r674 and I've realised now that I've installed fastboot version r708 by accident
14:25 < [Saint]> Heh...I did the same thing, many, many months ago.
14:25 < [Saint]> Thanks to my stupidity, more recent versions will delete a missmatched API fastboot.
14:26 < JamesR> How did you fix it? (Hoping that you did fix it)
14:26 < [Saint]> I did...but, do toy have access to a Linux environment?
14:26 < [Saint]> Its a million times easier.
14:26 < [Saint]> *do you
14:26 < JamesR> I don't unfortunately no
14:27 < [Saint]> Ah well...its just a lot more setup and buffering around initially.
14:27 < [Saint]> *buggering
14:27  * [Saint] needs to learn to disable autocorrect on his phone
14:28 < JamesR> I don't mind buggering around as long as it fixes my iPod :)
14:34 < user890104> JamesR: you need python 2.x, pyusb 1.0.0+, and libusb drivers
14:35 < JamesR> I'll download them now, whilst I'm installing/getting them, can you tell me the next step?
14:37 < user890104> you need to issue this command:
14:37 < user890104> python emcore.py rm /.boot/init.emcoreapp
14:38 < user890104> emcore.py and the other needed scripts are here: http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/
14:38 < user890104> using an svn client to download the files is as simple as: svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/ emcore-tools
14:39 < user890104> on windows, there's tortoisesvn, but if you want to save yourself installing it, you can manually download them
14:39 < user890104> you don't need the subfolders
14:39 < [Saint]> You don't need a client.
14:40 < [Saint]> VIEWVC for the win.
14:40 < [Saint]> *VIEWVC
14:40 < [Saint]> Whoops...I did get it right 
14:44 < JamesR> Thanks guys, I'm having trouble with pyusb, it's saying it need python 2.6 and I've installed the newest version which is 2.7, I seem to be having major issues with releases today!
14:44 < JamesR> I'll try VIEWVC now and see if that's helpful
14:44 < [Saint]>  Newer python is fine.
14:45 < [Saint]> ViewVC is simply a tool to browse svn repositories...no need to download it itself.
14:46 < user890104> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyusb/files/PyUSB%201.0/1.0.0-alpha-1/pyusb-1.0.0-a1.zip/download
14:46 < user890104> this is the pyusb version you need
14:46 < [Saint]> But you can use it to download the scripts you'll need from the freemyipod svn report (saves installing an svn client)
14:46 < [Saint]> *repo
14:47 < user890104> but we don't have viewvc on the freemyipod server, only websvn
14:47 < user890104> which doesn't have "download tarball" option
14:48 < TheSeven> [16:26:09] <[Saint]> Thanks to my stupidity, more recent versions will delete a missmatched API fastboot. << only during upgrades, not if the users installs a wrong fastboot version
14:48 < user890104> so either a manual download of these couple of scripts, or a windows client would help
14:50 < JamesR> Sorry I'm a bit confused here, I've got as far as installing pyusb, it seems to have worked, although when I clicked setup it quickly loaded a DOS window, then it disappeared, so I'll take it as done, but I don't know what to do with these svn links, when I open them, they open text files, is thta because I need an svn client?
14:50 < user890104> no, it's because they are text files
14:50 < user890104> but you need to keep the extension when saving them
14:51 < user890104> about installing pyusb, there's a setup script and a readme file
14:51 < user890104> you need python first, then you open a CMD window, go to the directory (for ex. "cd Desktop/pyusb-whatever")
14:52 < [Saint]> TheSeven: yeah... user890104 mentioned that. See, I seemed to (wrongly) recall a check at boot for missmatched API rather than install/upgrade just removing any init.emcoreapp
14:52 < [Saint]> The former (even if it slows boot slightly) seems a sane option.
14:52 < user890104> and run the install script (something like "python setup.py install" or whatever)
14:56 < TheSeven> [Saint]: the former has a conceptual problem
14:57 < TheSeven> the kernel will just launch the app and doesn't know anything about its api version
14:57 < TheSeven> the app will just crash at a later point because of the mismatch
14:57 < TheSeven> from the kernel's point of view, it was successfully launched, so it doesn't care about the version on the bootflash
14:58 < JamesR> OK, I've successfully installed pyusb as far I can tell in the command line, it gave a lot of code, so I assumed it was successful
14:59 < JamesR> And I've downloaded emcore.py, so what happens now?
15:01 < user890104> you need to install a driver for the device
15:01 < [Saint]> TheSeven: couldn't that be solved with a version header in the emcoreapp files, and the core checking its no newer than <foo>?
15:02 < JamesR> is that libusb?
15:02 < TheSeven> possibly, but generating that wouldn't be as easy
15:02 < user890104> libusb + an .inf file
15:02 < user890104> which windows version are you using?
15:03 < TheSeven> compiling it into main.o seems to be the only safe way that ensures that it's actually the version of the API that's being used
15:03 < [Saint]> Hum...right.
15:03 < TheSeven> everything else would at least require some huge makefile hackery
15:04 < JamesR> I'm using Windows 7
15:04 < [Saint]> I hear gevaerts likes makefiles :)
15:04 < TheSeven> btw, the libusb setup that seems to work best for me is installing the winusb driver for the device and then attaching user890104's libusb filter driver using the filter wizard from the most recent libusb release
15:05 < JamesR> I've downloaded libusb, but have no idea what to do with it
15:05 < JamesR> It's libusbwin32, as according to something I saw libusb 1 is experimental and not good with Windows 7
15:06 < user890104> TheSeven: doesn't pyusb 1.x support winusb directly?
15:07 < user890104> i'm using the drivers i sent you as drvice drivers, not a filter drivers
15:07 < user890104> device*
15:08 < JamesR> Do I need to download all of those files you sent as svn files? Sorry I'm really not good with any of this, I've installed python, and installed pyusb, but I'm a bit lost as to where I'm going from here, I'm a complete newby to this stuff
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15:10  * [Saint] is a little surprised the "windows support method" isn't "download an Ubuntu liveCD" :)
15:10 < TheSeven> user890104: winusb doesn't seem to work with pyusb for some reason (haven't investigated further)
15:11 < user890104> JamesR: i would advise you to first check your pyusb installation
15:11 < user890104> to do so: open a cmd window, and type "python" then enter
15:12 < user890104> if you see the prompt >>> you're fine
15:12 < JamesR> it's saying python is an unknown comman
15:12 < user890104> then type "import usb.core"
15:12 < JamesR> command*
15:12 < user890104> well, try to specify the whole path
15:12 < user890104> c:\program files......
15:13 < user890104> you can complete the paths with Tab (in case you don't know)
15:13 < JamesR> that worked
15:13 < JamesR> import usb.core gave me another >>> that right?
15:13 < user890104> if the usb import command works, i'll send you a driver
15:13 < user890104> yes, great
15:14 < JamesR> awesome, thanks for your help on this, I'll await the driver
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15:17 < user890104> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d4dd68ab.html
15:17 < user890104> try this one
15:17 < user890104> you know how to install the driver, right?
15:18 < JamesR> no, I could guess, but that's not got me very far as of yet :(, is it putting it in system32 by any chance?
15:19 < user890104> no, you jjust need to open device manager
15:19 < user890104> then select the device, right click -> update driver
15:19 < user890104> then you select the bottom option in the first few pages
15:19 < user890104> until you have a Have disk... button
15:20 < user890104> where you select the folder in which you extracted the archive
15:20 < user890104> so it would show up as emCORE monitor
15:20 < JamesR> right, I think I'm ok with that, let me give it a try
15:21 < JamesR> bingo I've got emCore monitor now
15:21 < user890104> it'll copy whatever is needed in the folders automaticly
15:21 < user890104> ok, then run the "rm" command
15:21 < user890104> python emcore.py rm /.boot/init.emcoreapp
15:22 < user890104> python emcore.py reset
15:22 < user890104> and next time use the proper fastboot version :)
15:22 < JamesR> It's syaing invalid syntax when I try the first command :(
15:23 < user890104> include the full python path
15:23 < user890104> as you did before
15:23 < JamesR> Do I need to run that in a basic command prompt or in the >>> one?
15:23 < user890104> no, in the basic prompt
15:23 < user890104> c:\....>
15:23 < JamesR> that'll be where I'm going wrong, I'll try that
15:25 < JamesR> it's saying can't open rm, no such file or directory
15:27 < user890104> uhm, you didn't write it correct then
15:27 < user890104> the full command should be something like
15:28 < user890104> "c:\program files\python\python.exe" "c:\users\<your username>\desktop\emcore-tools\emcore.py" rm /.boot/init.emcoreapp
15:28 < user890104> just guessing about the paths of course
15:30 < JamesR> ah, I think I'm not specifying the path to the emcore.py, I'll try that, just a check, why are there 2 commands, do I have the run python, then put that bit in?
15:30 < user890104> you don't open a python console (the one with >>> in front)
15:30 < user890104> it was just to test if the usb stuff works
15:31 < user890104> emcore.py is a script, it needs to be specified as a parameter to python.exe
15:31 < user890104> and not in a python console
15:32 < user890104> so basicly you have: python.exe <script name> <arguments>
15:32 < user890104> enclosed in quotations marks, if there are spaces in any of the paths
15:36 < JamesR> right,, now I've got a Traceback and no module named libemcore
15:38 < JamesR> Do I need all those files in that svn link?
15:38 < user890104> yeah, you need most of them
15:40 < JamesR> right, think I know what to do now, I'll let you know how this next bit goes...
15:42 < JamesR> I'm getting a window saying bad image, it says libusb0.dll is either not designed to run on windows, or it contains an error
15:42 < user890104> uhm...
15:43 < JamesR> Are the drivers not happy do you think?
15:46 < user890104> when do you see this message?
15:49 < JamesR> during the first command, ti goes through a few things, but then comes up in an alert window
15:50 < JamesR> I've just tried downloading a libusb0.dll from another site and it still has the same problem
15:50 < user890104> did you copy any files of the archive manually?
15:50 < user890104> to system32 or somewhere in the windows folder?
15:51 < JamesR> no, I did everything you told me, I'm not sure at which point libusb0 was copied to my system32
15:52 < user890104> at the driver installation
15:52 < user890104> and it should work
15:52 < user890104> are you using a 32-bit windows 7, or a 64-bit one?
15:52 < JamesR> 64 bit
15:52 < user890104> ah
15:53 < JamesR> that's the problem?
15:53 < user890104> ok, i'll send you my drivers then
15:54 < user890104> http://www.datafilehost.com/download-421df8c3.html
15:55 < user890104> place the files manually in the appropriate folders
15:55 < user890104> and it should magically work
15:56 < user890104> so you place the file from system32 to \windows\system32, and so on
15:56 < JamesR> ok I'll try that
15:57 < JamesR> Still got the same problem :(
15:57 < user890104> try rebooting
15:58 < JamesR> Right, I'll reboot and see if that helps, see you in a sec...
15:58 < user890104> if it doesn't help, you can ask TheSeven to explain what's his libusb/winusb setup
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16:05 < JamesR> Hi again user, I'm back, I've stupidly forgotten to copy that command, could you paste it out again please?
16:06 < benedikt93> JamesR, the channel is logged at logs.freemyipod.org
16:08 < user890104> yeah, the logs are very useful sometimes
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16:08 < JamesR__> Hi,
16:08 < JamesR__> Sorry my computer rnadomly restarted, and my old username is still stuck in here
16:09 < JamesR__> Any chance I could have the command I need again (the long one with the paths in between "")
16:10 < user890104> yeah, sure, just scroll to the bottom of http://logs.freemyipod.org/%23freemyipod-support/2011-10/2011-10-16-%23freemyipod-support.log
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16:11 < JamesR__> Thanks, I'll try now
16:12 < JamesR__> Still got the same problem
16:12 < JamesR__> If I go through the device manager and install the 64 bit drivers you sent me, reckon that will work?
16:14 < user890104> you can try
16:14 < JamesR__> it's saying the best drivers are already installed :(
16:15 < user890104> try uninstall/reinstal
16:15 < JamesR__> shall I delete the driver software for the device too?
16:16 < JamesR__> it's an option when I uninstall the device
16:20 < JamesR__> Right, I've done that, but now lost it in the device manager, help?
16:21 < user890104> View -> Devices by connection
16:21 < user890104> then click on your computer which is the very top item, and press * on the numpad
16:21 < user890104> this would expand every devices, look below the usb controllers
16:22 < JamesR__> I've actually managed to find the debugger now
16:22 < JamesR__> but when I update the driver it's saying it can't find the required drivers in the 64 bit drivers folder you sent
16:24 < user890104> uhm.. i sent you files that you could directly replace
16:24 < JamesR__> Ah, not the right ones if I do it this way?
16:24 < user890104> the zip file with the .inf file is the actual driver
16:24 < JamesR__> Shall I stick those files in and hope?
16:24 < user890104> which you can install
16:25 < user890104> so yes, use the windows_driver.zip
16:25 < JamesR__> didn't those ones not work on account of them being for a 32 bit windows installation?
16:26 < user890104> they are both 32-bit and 64-bit
16:26 < user890104> but sometimes there are weird issues with the drivers
16:27 < JamesR__> Right, I'll have another go with them
16:27 < user890104> (that's why [saint] suggested using a linux virtual machine)
16:27 < user890104> you can also give a try at http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/winusb_driver.zip
16:27 < user890104> then download libusb-win32 and use their wizard to install a filter driver
16:28 < user890104> which i can't really help you with, unless i try it on my computer
16:30 < JamesR__> right, still having problems, I'd assume it's going for the windows 32 option rather than 64
16:31 < JamesR__> If I use the other winusb driver, will I still be able to do the same command on the prompt?
16:32 < user890104> yes
16:33 < JamesR__> Right, trying that option now...
16:33 < JamesR__> Still got the same message...
16:37 < JamesR__> Damn drivers, if I could get past that I couldget my iPod working, reckon TheSeven will have the answer with his configuration?
16:40 < JamesR__> I'm going to try restarting and see if that helps...
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16:44 < JamesR> Hi, restarting hasn't helped
16:45 < JamesR> TheSeven, can you help at all, do you have a different set up drivers wise?
16:45 < TheSeven> how is it failing currently?
16:46 < TheSeven> does windows accept the drivers at all? is the device flagged with an exclamation mark?
16:47 < JamesR> it accepts them, but when I run the command in the prompt, it says it's either not designed to runon Windows or it contains an error
16:48 < JamesR> it does that with both the libusb driver and the winusb one, and it also did it when I copied the files over that user sent
16:51 < JamesR> It gives these messages in the prompt: Traceback (most recent call last):   File "c:\users\James Renshaw\desktop\tools\emcore.py", line 1331, in <module>     interface = Commandline()   File "c:\users\James Renshaw\desktop\tools\emcore.py", line 115, in __init__     self.emcore = libemcore.Emcore(logger = self.logger)   File "c:\users\James Renshaw\desktop\tools\libemcore.py", line 106, in __init_ _     self.lib = Lib(self.l
16:51 < JamesR> Gives a bit more than that actually...
16:51 < JamesR> I think this is where it's failing (this is the last bit):
16:51 < JamesR>   self.connect()   File "c:\users\James Renshaw\desktop\tools\libemcore.py", line 1072, in connec t     self.dev = usb.core.find(idVendor=self.idVendor, idProduct=self.idProduct)   File "c:\python27\lib\site-packages\usb\core.py", line 829, in find     raise ValueError('No backend available') ValueError: No backend available
16:54 < JamesR> I need to leave now, but if anyone can think of what's going wrong drivers wise, or think of any other drivers that might work, that would be great, I'm going to stay logged in, so I'l be able to view any replies when I get back,thanks in advance
16:57 < TheSeven> er, that's 64bit windows?
16:57 < TheSeven> delete c:\windows\syswow64\libusb.dll and copy libusb_x86.dll there (without renaming)
16:58 < TheSeven> this is not the driver that's acting up here, but the usermode part
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19:04 < JamesR> Hi there, TheSeven, I've had a look at your comments, but have no idea how to get my hands on libusb_x86.dll and I don't have libusb.dll, only libusb0.dll, are they the same thing? 
19:05 < JamesR> I've also had the idea of trying the whole process on my laptop, which I'm on now, it's 32 bit Windows XP, and still throws up the same error as before :(
19:19 < TheSeven> i meant libusb0
19:19 < TheSeven> hm, weird
19:19 < TheSeven> but this is definitely a problem with the dll file or one of its dependencies and not with the driver itself
19:21 < JamesR> Right, how would I get libusb_x86.dll? Because I've had a look at all the stuff I've downloaded and can't find it
19:22 < JamesR> I'll definitely give it a try
19:31 < JamesR> Could you let me know how I get it, or send it?
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20:08 < JamesR> Hi, does anybody know where I can get the libusb_x86.dll file? I'm pretty desperate here, my iPod is still not even booting up :(
20:09 < JamesR> I'm also open to any other ideas on how to fix the bad image error I'm having
20:25 < JamesR> I'm off to bed now, but if anyone can help, whether it's something to fix the bad image error, a different way of solving the fastboot version mismatch, or even just send over that file so I can have go with that new one, my e-mail is jameserenshaw@googlemail.com, so if you could e-mail it me, that would be awesome, otherwise I'll probably drop by here tomorrow night if I get time, thanks in advance
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