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13:16 < NiketoNabu> Hithere! People? need help!
13:20 < NiketoNabu> after installation fastboot on ipod classic it cannot be load into the win/ it doesnt work at all! sistem message after reboot is: *PANIC* Incompatible API version! Got 4, need2. Systen cant see yhe device. so i cant even recover ipod by iTunes
13:22 < NiketoNabu> how can i do that the system see the device as a hard or recover it with iTunes for example
13:24 < NiketoNabu> how can i delete the folder .boot from the root menu rokcbox-pod
13:28 < NiketoNabu> the disklamer was right((((
13:31 < NiketoNabu> PS I cant switch off the device menu+select tabs call only rebboot the device, no switching off. so - rebooting is cycling without shouting down
13:33 < user890104> NiketoNabu: redo the installation
13:33 < user890104> it will delete the wrong version fastboot file
13:33 < NiketoNabu> WARNING: Always use the same version of emCORE and fastboot! Mixing up versions may lead to a condition where your iPod won't boot, and would require recovering with an additional set of tools! - that is disklamer/ And what is yhe @additional tools@ -  seems i need it
13:34 < NiketoNabu> i cant redo
13:34 < user890104> you can
13:34 < user890104> hold menu+select for 12 seconds
13:34 < NiketoNabu> cause the device not found in ANY system
13:34 < user890104> it will enter DFU mode
13:34 < user890104> and then start over
13:34 < user890104> like you did to install emcore 
13:35 < user890104> connect the ipod to usb, and not matter what it shows on the screen hold menu+select until the screen goes black
13:35 < user890104> like you did to install emcore
13:35 < NiketoNabu> after meny+select device boot emCORE and after second - give me a @PANIC@ - and thets all
13:35 < user890104> don't look at this, just keep holding :)
13:36 < NiketoNabu> oke - lets try
13:36 < user890104> when it shows the black screen, release the buttons
13:37 < user890104> and continue the installation
13:37 < NiketoNabu> the same under win and lin
13:37 < NiketoNabu> it cant load in DFU mode - thats the troubble
13:38 < user890104> it can only enter DFU if it is connected to a PC
13:39 < user890104> i just did it on my ipod
13:39 < NiketoNabu> of course - it connected
13:39 < NiketoNabu> but no matter(((
13:39 < NiketoNabu> ok - i go to try some else
13:40 < user890104> exactly on the 12th second after continious holding the buttons
13:40 < user890104> it enters DFU
13:40 < user890104> no matter what is installed
13:40 < user890104> you said you have linux installed, you can use the other method then
13:40 < user890104> because it's easier on linux than on windows
13:41 < NiketoNabu> what method&
13:41 < user890104> connect it to the linux pc, and enter: lsusb
13:41 < user890104> is there a line with "ffff:e000" ?
13:43 < NiketoNabu> ok - it is there
13:44 < user890104> svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/ freemyipod-tools
13:45 < NiketoNabu> what shoud i do with this? help please
13:46 < NiketoNabu> with this tools
13:46 < user890104> did you enter the svn command
13:47 < user890104> to download them?
13:47 < user890104> there should be a folder called freemyipod-tools
13:47 < NiketoNabu> now i under win((((
13:48 < NiketoNabu> and in lin - i am is full nub
13:48 < NiketoNabu> sorry
13:49 < user890104> using linux will be very easy
13:49 < user890104> on windows you need to install python, pyusb and drivers
13:49 < user890104> on linux it's only 1 line
13:50 < NiketoNabu> aga? but what shoud i do wiht @svn@&
13:51 < user890104> this is a linux command to download the whole folder
13:51 < user890104> you can download tortoisesvn for windows, but then it would be more difficult
13:52 < user890104> if you want to use windows, i'll give you a archived conversation where someone else did the same mistake
13:52 < user890104> and i explained him how to recover the ipod
13:53 < NiketoNabu> no - i installed svn under ubuntu
13:53 < NiketoNabu> how can i use it?
13:54 < user890104> enter the command above
13:54 < user890104> and you should have a "freemyipod-tools" folder
13:54 < user890104> containing some python scripts
13:55 < NiketoNabu> svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools/ freemyipod-tools - is it clear syntax for the command&
13:55 < user890104> yes, this is the exact syntax
13:55 < NiketoNabu> oke - lets try
13:57 < user890104> what distribution are you using? ubuntu?
13:57 < NiketoNabu> i hade a list of files in my console
13:57 < NiketoNabu> get*
13:57 < NiketoNabu> lubuntu yes
13:59 < user890104> enter "python -V"
13:59 < user890104> with capital V, not lowercase
14:02 < NiketoNabu> Python 2.7.2+
14:02 < user890104> ok great
14:02 < NiketoNabu> pythonusb lsusb - in the system too
14:03 < user890104> now enter:
14:03 < NiketoNabu> whatever this mean
14:03 < user890104> python freemyipod-tools/emcore.py getinfo version
14:04 < NiketoNabu> import error
14:04 < NiketoNabu> no module named core
14:05 < NiketoNabu> am i fool?
14:09 < TheSeven> NiketoNabu: that's pyusb 0.4.2, you need 0.1.0
14:09 < TheSeven> er, 1.0.0
14:10 < TheSeven> the python-usb package from debian/ubuntu is the old version, at least up to natty, don't know for oneiric
14:10 < NiketoNabu> give me archived conversation where someone else did the same mistake - i think that i cant do this in lin(((please
14:13 < user890104> NiketoNabu: http://logs.freemyipod.org/%23freemyipod-support/2011-10/2011-10-16-%23freemyipod-support.log
14:13 < user890104> but you can have issues with the drivers, like that guy did
14:13 < NiketoNabu> is the decision of my problem at this page? http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Troubleshooting
14:13 < NiketoNabu> oke - very thanks
14:14 < user890104> i already explained to you how to enter DFU
14:14 < user890104> this is the easiest way to recover
14:14 < NiketoNabu> i have to go to decide my problem wiyh you help
14:14 < NiketoNabu> i cant enter DFU
14:14 < NiketoNabu> cant
14:15 < NiketoNabu> it reboot - PANIC - reboot  - PANIC
14:15 < user890104> so you are sure that you aren't releasing the buttons even for a split second while it reboots?
14:16 < NiketoNabu> yes
14:16 < NiketoNabu> sure
14:18 < NiketoNabu> oke - i press menu+select than hold it - device reboot - emCORE rise up on the screen - one second waiting - message PANIC - than freeze. then i press menu+select - and again
14:19 < TheSeven> make sure USB is connected, and then press and hold menu+select for 12 seconds, ignoring what the ipod does
14:19 < NiketoNabu> shoud i count seconds? seriosly
14:20 < NiketoNabu> wtf - IT SWITCHING OFF!!!
14:21 < NiketoNabu> hm////
14:23 < NiketoNabu> oke - thx! and what now?
14:23 < user890104> now redo the installation
14:24 < user890104> like you did the first time
14:24 < NiketoNabu> using bootstrap_ipodclassic_itunes?
14:25 < NiketoNabu> oke - lets try
14:27 < NiketoNabu> aaaa//// iTunes found iPod. TNX 890104! The beer from me!
14:27 < TheSeven> yeah, that "switching off" ist DFU mode
14:27 < NiketoNabu> oh my crank hands
14:28 < NiketoNabu> TNX, The SEVEN too))))
14:28 < TheSeven> if itunes found it, this probably means that you will need to re-enter DFU before the bootstrapper will work (itunes will have already tinkered with it)
14:30 < NiketoNabu> ugu< yes
14:30 < NiketoNabu> one else< guys
14:30 < NiketoNabu> on problem
14:30 < NiketoNabu> anoser
14:32 < NiketoNabu> win7 can found the device with roxbox on it< but cant enter the root directory. xp and lin - can, win764x - cant
14:32 < NiketoNabu> is this a problem of 64x platform?
14:37 < NiketoNabu> and one else: how can i find the right version of fastboot to installer-ipodclassic-r708-20110424? thx
14:47 < user890104> NiketoNabu: it is on the same page
14:47 < user890104> in the same section as the installer
14:48 < user890104> and it has 708 in the filename
14:49 < NiketoNabu> hmmm.... i use this..... than freeze
14:52 < user890104> i can give you a more recent version and the fastboot file for it
14:52 < NiketoNabu> more recent?
14:53 < user890104> TheSeven: i have /.boot/init.emcoreapp on my classic but it is not being executed. what could be wrong?
14:53 < user890104> NiketoNabu: yes, the most recent development version
14:53 < user890104> r779
14:53 < NiketoNabu> oke lets try it!
14:55 < NiketoNabu> and can i update installed version of rb? without reinstall
14:55 < user890104> i'm going to try it on my ipod first, then i'll give you a link
14:55 < user890104> yes, updating rockbox is just extracting the new ZIP file into the ipod
14:56 < NiketoNabu> oke - tnx if it possible - on e-mail - i have to go one wwek without i-net. e_l_f@bk.ru very tnx
14:57 < NiketoNabu> thats good upgrade method))))
14:58 < NiketoNabu> all - tnx a lot - disconnect
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22:18 < NiketoNabu> user890104, i v got you message with new vertion of emcore
22:19 < NiketoNabu> strange, but situation is the same
22:20 < NiketoNabu> but now the error message is *PANIC* Incompatible API version! GOT 4, NEED 5
22:21 < user890104> uhm
22:21 < user890104> let me try it on my ipod
22:21 < user890104> i could have sent you the wrong file
22:22 < user890104> in which order did you install the files?
22:25 < user890104> it works for me
22:25 < user890104> you need to use the emcore version i sent you
22:26 < user890104> otherwise it won't work
22:27 < NiketoNabu> create .boot folder put the file into the folder rename to init.emcoreapp than put the folder to the root onto pod
22:28 < NiketoNabu> you need to use the emcore version i sent you - this is mean that i shoud to clean reinstall the system on my ipod with the files that you send to me&
22:29 < NiketoNabu> is this?
22:29 < user890104> there's no "clean install", just follow the instructions using the files i sent you
22:29 < user890104> it will update the installed file
22:29 < user890104> you don't need to remove anything
22:29 < user890104> if it shows r779 when booting, then you are fine
22:29 < user890104> you just need to add the init.emcoreapp file then
22:30 < user890104> i tried it out 2 or 3 times and it works on my ipod
22:31 < NiketoNabu> oke - i get the error message i wrote above
22:31 < NiketoNabu> strange
22:31 < user890104> what version number do you see when the ipod turns on?
22:31 < user890104> for a second or two
22:31 < user890104> while the hard disk spins up?
22:31 < NiketoNabu> oke - i will try again
22:32 < user890104> the message you're showing me means that you didn't update your emcore installation on the ipod
22:32 < user890104> so you have older version of emcore than fastboot
22:33 < NiketoNabu> old version.... so i have to install new version
22:33 < NiketoNabu> oke yes
22:33 < user890104> yes
22:34 < user890104> which method are you using
22:34 < user890104> with itunes or without itunes?
22:34 < NiketoNabu> so - clean reinstall - not only copy-past the folder .rockbox and /boot if i want to use fastboot
22:35 < NiketoNabu> ok - ill do this
22:35 < user890104> "clean reinstall" means uninstalling first (restoring with itunes)
22:35 < user890104> yo don't need to do that
22:35 < user890104> you*
22:35 < user890104> just redo the install as usual
22:36 < NiketoNabu>  as usual? 
22:36 < user890104> yes, like it is explained on the wiki
22:37 < user890104> but using my files of course
22:39 < NiketoNabu> night is long and my reed is take all night i think))))) so lets read)
22:42 < NiketoNabu> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Classic_1G_.2F_Classic_2G_.2F_Classic_3G - pages suppose no recovery mode for pod classic - only @clean reinstal@ wiht iTunes
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22:52 < TheSeven> NiketoNabu: just proceed as if you would do an initial installation of emcore
22:52 < TheSeven> and ignore the fact that it's already there
22:53 < NiketoNabu> great! all work!
22:54 < NiketoNabu> tnx all!
22:56 < NiketoNabu> and what about my trouble with mount root directory under win 7 64x? i steel cant do this((((
22:56 < NiketoNabu> is it only my trouble?
22:57 < TheSeven> what exactly is going wrong with that?
22:57 < TheSeven> it's normal that mounting the ipod on windows might take a couple of seconds as windows will usually read the whole FAT to RAM before showing the drive in explorer
22:57 < TheSeven> but that shouldn't take more than maybe a minute
22:58 < NiketoNabu> the devise with rockbox onboard is detected by system but i cant get into directory from any filemanager
22:59 < user890104> this happens on my ipod sometimes, so try unplugging and replugging it
22:59 < NiketoNabu> minute..... it is waiting about 2-5 min than freez
23:00 < user890104> or unplugging, shutting down rockbox (by holding PLAY until it says Shutting down...), then starting the ipod again and after rockbox loads and displays the menu, plug it to the computer again 
23:00 < NiketoNabu> replug dont help - the same trouble. under xp or linux i have no problem with it
23:01 < TheSeven> is the hdd spinning during that time?
23:01 < TheSeven> if yes, can you hear any clicking activity?
23:03 < NiketoNabu> TC give me box with message @connecting@ - then nothing
23:03 < NiketoNabu> yes 0 hard is spinning
23:04 < NiketoNabu> i hear
23:04 < NiketoNabu> about 0.5 minutes - yhen - silence and freeze
23:04 < TheSeven> freeze in terms of what? on the ipod or windows side?
23:05 < TheSeven> if you unplug it, does the ipod come back to life or is it stuck in USB mode?
23:05 < TheSeven> this *might* be related to FS#12310
23:06 < NiketoNabu> and icon of safe remove in tray is freeze too
23:06 < NiketoNabu> on the win size - nothing happend at all
23:08 < NiketoNabu> ipod show me the picture of usb-connecter and not freeze
23:08 < NiketoNabu> safe remove in tray unfreeze only i unplugged ipod unsafely
23:09 < NiketoNabu> over few minutes
23:10 < NiketoNabu> or at once O_O
23:10 < NiketoNabu> differently
23:13 < NiketoNabu> user890104 - u method - steel inaccessible
23:14 < user890104> NiketoNabu: it happens to me sometimes, too
23:14 < user890104> then i use the python scripts to upload music/files :)
23:14 < NiketoNabu> emcore-tools?
23:14 < user890104> which is a bit difficult on windows, but on linux works fine
23:14 < user890104> yes, exactly
23:15 < user890104> there is a command "puttree" which uploads folders and all their contents
23:15 < NiketoNabu> on lin i have no problem. xp32bit - too
23:15 < NiketoNabu> only on my sevenx64
23:15 < user890104> if you can run the python scripts, you can use the command too
23:15 < NiketoNabu> but all my music is here((((
23:16 < user890104> it's something like: python.exe emcore.py puttree d:\music /Music
23:16 < NiketoNabu> any ideas - what the problem?
23:16 < user890104> the problem is that the usb drivers for the classics are still unstable
23:17 < user890104> and they don't always work
23:17 < user890104> i mean the drivers on the ipod side, not on the PC side
23:17 < NiketoNabu> my wife is cilling me if i offer to use omg - python scripts))))
23:17 < user890104> restore it to the original firmware then, and use iTunes :)
23:18 < NiketoNabu> no thx!
23:18 < NiketoNabu> )))
23:19 < NiketoNabu> so.... i have to open up the emcore-tools huh.....
23:19 < user890104> i think that TheSeven wrote an application for windows that uses emcore's protocol (not rockbox but like the python scripts) to emulate a virtual drive on windows, that can be used to transfer music/files/whatever to the hard disk of the ipod
23:20 < user890104> i wrote one too (for linux) but it's still read-only, so you can't use it to uplaod files on the ipod
23:20 < TheSeven> user890104: that's even more unstable than your fuse port is :)
23:21 < user890104> TheSeven: i don't remember if i ever made it run :)
23:21 < user890104> it was showing an empty drive at some point and i gave up iirc
23:21 < TheSeven> do you have any idea what's going on there? i don't really understand why anything on the pc side could lock up while the hdd on the ipod side spins down because it's idle... that just doesn't make any sense
23:21 < NiketoNabu> third programm? this like iTunes..... pretty rockbox - is direct access to pod drive from file manager
23:22 < TheSeven> i've never observed that kind of behavior on my devices
23:22 < user890104> TheSeven: i have seen problems only when using rockbox's usb mode, if i use emcore+python it's fine for both uploading and downloading
23:23 < TheSeven> never had that here (also win7 sp1 amd64)
23:23 < user890104> that's why i'll complete my fuse app to include rw support, and not use rockbox's disk mode at all
23:23 < TheSeven> well, at least as long as the hdd works
23:24 < TheSeven> but even with my bad hdd + remapping layer, it seems to work fine all the time
23:24 < NiketoNabu> rockbox+python tools all-in-one?))))
23:24 < TheSeven> might be worth to do a trace of what it's trying to access when it locks up
23:24 < user890104> sometimes it feels like the usb driver is not responding in rockbox (the clock changes, but unplugging/replugging has no effect)
23:24 < TheSeven> user890104: how often does this happen to you? often enough to reproduce it to capture a trace?
23:25 < TheSeven> user890104: that's probably FS#12310
23:25 < user890104> i think i can reproduce it, it happens frequently
23:25 < TheSeven> (which has been fixed a couple of days ago)
23:26 < TheSeven> rockbox trunk head has the usb fix and the fs#12310 fix applied, so that should work fine atm
23:26 < TheSeven> the apps layer should be somewhat stable again, as they're about to release 3.10
23:26 < TheSeven> => it might make sense to do further testing with head instead of 3.9.1
23:27 < user890104> i'm using r30963 compiled on 11-11-11
23:27 < user890104> which is the 3_10 branch
23:27 < TheSeven> that's after i fixed my build breakage?
23:27 < TheSeven> then it should include the fs#12310 fix
23:27 < user890104> i think so
23:28 < user890104> so it's some other issue then
23:28 < user890104> the classics are still a bit strange
23:28 < TheSeven> any ipod-side lockups with that build?
23:29 < user890104> i haven't listened to more music in order to test that, but the usb either work or it doesn't at all
23:29 < user890104> it seems to be random so far
23:29 < user890104> but i haven't waited long enough to check if only usb is locked up, or the rockbox itself
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23:30 < user890104> sometimes the clickwheel behaves strange (doesn't note the fact that i'm holding a button on boot)
23:32 < TheSeven> user890104: i meant usb-related ipod-side lockups
23:32 < TheSeven> [00:31:14] <user890104> sometimes the clickwheel behaves strange (doesn't note the fact that i'm holding a button on boot) << regression?
23:33 < TheSeven> or did the classic wheel driver never support that?
23:33 < user890104> it works sometimes, and sometimes doesn't
23:33 < TheSeven> it might work if you move your finger around slightly during boot
23:34 < TheSeven> (which will cause the wheel to send updates without us explicitly asking it for its state)
23:34 < user890104> i'm holding the center button so i'm not touching anything else
23:34 < user890104> ok, i connected it while running rockbox, and after like a minute of searching, windows opened an empty drive
23:35 < TheSeven> and regarding usb lockups: did you observe any cases where it didn't return from USB mode after unplugging with that build?
23:35 < TheSeven> yeah, that's expected if it needs to scan the fat, especially on slightly broken (and thus slow) drives
23:35 < user890104> the button issue is when trying to prevent it entering disk mode in rockbox right after booting with the cable connected
23:36 < user890104> sometimes it doesn't return when unplugging the usb, yes
23:36 < user890104> it's like it stopped receiving any information from the usb driver
23:37 < user890104> but moving the scrollwheel turns the backlight on
23:37 < user890104> so it's not completely locked up
23:37 < user890104> it's the same at the moment
23:37 < user890104> i just unplugged it and it remains in usb mode
23:38 < user890104> the backlight fades as usual when not touching the clickwheel, and turns on again when i touch it
23:38 < user890104> but the usb image doesn't go away
23:38 < user890104> and the clock updates
23:39 < user890104> what should i do now? pack up the ipod and send it to you while it's in this condition? :)
23:42 < TheSeven> heh
23:42 < user890104> connecting usb made it exit the usb screen (wtf?!), then the hard disk spinned up, the hdd icon is shown all the time
23:42 < user890104> the menu is shown too, but i can't scroll it
23:42 < TheSeven> try pressing a button
23:43 < TheSeven> sometimes the wheel locks up in such a way
23:43 < TheSeven> or rather rockbox's button handling
23:43 < user890104> touching the clockwheel/switching the hold switch makes the backlight go on/off
23:43 < TheSeven> so you get a main menu that you can't navigate?
23:43 < user890104> yup
23:43 < user890104> while usb is connected
23:43 < user890104> isn't this strange?
23:43 < user890104> pressing buttons doesn't help
23:43 < TheSeven> hm, this is smelling more and more like apps layer breakage, or possibly yet another memory corruption bug
23:43 < TheSeven> can you reproduce any of that on nano2g?
23:44 < user890104> i don't think so
23:44 < user890104> only rolo is broken there
23:44 < user890104> i'll try on the n2g with the same revision of rockbox
23:44  * TheSeven wonders why, he has fixed it like a dozen times now
23:44 < TheSeven> how do they manage to break it all the time?
23:45 < user890104> well, someone seems to be breaking it every time you fix it :P
23:47 < user890104> btw the main menu screen is not updating at all
23:47 < user890104> seems like the display driver got broken
23:47 < user890104> i can tell that by looking at the clock
23:47 < user890104> that's why the disk access icon stays still
23:48 < user890104> the strange thing is that rockbox doesn't want to shut down
23:50 < TheSeven> this is probably just a UI thread lockup
23:53 < user890104> the 2g nano is recognised just fine as a mass storage device
23:53 < user890104> no delays or lockups
23:54 < user890104> even after frequently unplugging/replugging, it doesn't crash/lockup
23:55 < user890104> i'll try it with the classic, but i don't expect it to make it
23:56  * user890104 wishes that some of apple's datasheets for these devices magically appear online
23:59 < TheSeven> we might want to nicely ask samsung...
23:59 < user890104> i got the classic to a state where it doesn't respond to usb insertions anymore, the hold switch and the clickwheel can manage the backlight and the hard disk is turned off and it doesn't turn on when inserting/removing usb
23:59 < TheSeven> given what apple is doing to them right now, they might even do that :)
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