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12:50 < TheSeven> Marach: WTF?
12:51 < TheSeven> does this happen consistently? if yes, which exact version number is that?
12:59 < Marach> usually sound goes off completely and i have to restart the device.
12:59 < Marach> but no, happens completely at random
13:00 < TheSeven> so did it only happen once, or were you able to reproduce it at least a couple of times?
13:00 < TheSeven> i have the impression that we're once again dealing with a memory corruption bug here
13:05 < Marach> one channel going quiet happened a couple of times. at first i thought my headphones broke
13:05 < Marach> but it isn't anything major
13:46  * TheSeven suspects that it's just another symptom of a very subtle root cause that causes a lot of issues in seemingly random places
13:47 < TheSeven> if we manage to catch a somewhat reproducible one of these symptoms, this might get us a lot closer to tracking down what's actually causing all of this
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15:06 < mm_> anyone there
15:06 < mm_> oh dear i messed up emcore fast boot thing after all the warnings
15:07 < mm_> now stuck on emcore consol with error message
15:08 < Marach> TheSeven: okay, i'll look for a way to reproduce it more reliably
15:11 < mm_> its there any way to connect to .boot directory to change the init.emcoreapp
15:11 < TheSeven> Marach: anything better than "crashes for no apparent reason every couple of hours" would get us closer to finding this bug...
15:12 < TheSeven> mm_: you'll need to install the emcore tools
15:12 < mm_> great
15:12 < TheSeven> then you can run python emcore.py rm /.boot/init.emcoreapp and it should be gone
15:12 < mm_> where would i find them i am all new to this
15:12 < TheSeven> http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools
15:13 < mm_> brilliant
15:13 < TheSeven> you'll need emcore.py, libemcore.py, libemcoredata.py and misc.py
15:13 < mm_> ok need to learn python?
15:14 < TheSeven> to run those you need python 2.6+, pyusb 1.0.0a0+ and (if you're on windows) a libusb driver
15:14 < mm_> great help
15:15 < mm_> searched emcore *PANIC* to no avail now i have hope cheers theseven
15:16 < TheSeven> well, most of the users with this problem seem to end up here
15:16 < TheSeven> it's pretty straight forward to fix it once the tools are working
15:17 < mm_> now comes the learning phase...the only time i learn something new is when i crash it bug it club it crash it burn it...
15:17 < TheSeven> sadly installing the neccessary drivers on windows can be rather complicated
15:17 < TheSeven> are you talking about an ipod nano or classic?
15:17 < mm_> classic
15:17 < mm_> 2009
15:18 < TheSeven> in that case, another possible route of recovery would be to just restore it using itunes, but you would lose all data on it that way, i.e. reset it to factory state
15:18 < TheSeven> so if you want to keep emcore/rockbox/your music, you should probably use the emcore tools to fix it
15:18 < mm_> it wont talk to itunes tried it
15:19 < mm_> shows no external hardrive
15:19 < TheSeven> it will if you enter dfu mode first
15:19 < mm_> mmm
15:20 < mm_> thought i had tried it will retry start itunes then kill services
15:21 < TheSeven> you don't need to kill the services if you want itunes to restore it
15:21 < mm_> itunes sees no ipod 
15:21 < TheSeven> killing the services is neccessary to *prevent* that from happening automatically if you want to use our tool to install emcore instead
15:21 < mm_> even with menu select hold trick
15:21 < TheSeven> oh, there's a third way of recovery: reinstall emcore through DFU
15:21 < TheSeven> that will also remove fastboot
15:21 < TheSeven> and you won't lose other data
15:22 < TheSeven> in that case, just proceed as if you were installing emcore for the first time
15:22 < mm_> not bothered about data save
15:22 < mm_> ok give it a shot
15:22 < mm_> where are you
15:22 < mm_> europe 
15:22 < mm_> usa
15:22 < TheSeven> if you want to keep emcore/rockbox this will be the easiest way
15:22 < mm_> india
15:23 < TheSeven> germany
15:23 < TheSeven> so it's afternoon here
15:23 < mm_> ok in uk but live in saarbruecken
15:23 < mm_> from scotland
15:23  * TheSeven is located near stuttgart :)
15:24 < mm_> back there on tues is it minus temps yet?
15:24 < TheSeven> down here it's +9 right now, but minus during the night
15:24 < TheSeven> anyway, if you want to try the reinstallation approach, just kill all those apple services, connect your ipod, press and hold menu+select for 12 seconds no matter what it does, and then run our bootstrapper tool and proceed as usual
15:25 < mm_> ok TheSeven are you fro that river?
15:35 < mm_> just keeps cycling up to emcore v0.2.2 r708  *PANIC* Incompatible API version Got4, need 2
15:36 < TheSeven> after pressing and holding the reboot button combination for about 12 seconds it should appear to be powered off
15:37 < TheSeven> USB must be connected during that
15:37 < mm_> yeap
15:37 < mm_> back light is off but text is showing
15:38 < mm_> text with back light off is broken text
15:44 < TheSeven> there shouldn't be any text... is the DFU device being detected now?
15:45 < mm_> no it is as if there is no communication to ipod got it in linux but without ability to make a hardrive
15:49 < mm_> brilliANAT WORKED AFTER § TIME GOT TO UMSBOOT SCREEN
15:50 < mm_> WOW that saved me a bit of learning :/
15:50 < mm_> now i can do it all again til i f_ck up again ;-)
15:51 < mm_> cheers The Seven
16:04 < mm_> often near schorndorf if you know it NNE of stuttgart  thanks alot
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