[00:14:07] <user890104> csharp_: this sounds strange
[00:14:15] <user890104> can you redo the installation with a different file?
[00:16:26] <user890104> https://mega.co.nz/#!g0BmBbIT!Ssa-QDGHzsYwO7bRcZAoVDvOCOJQQ1fTBpfD7G8bz3c
[00:19:38] <csharp_> ough! idiot... sorry. i was pressing select+menu instead of menu+play
[00:19:42] <csharp_> all is good now!
[00:21:59] <user890104> ah, you triggered our "read the instructions" check :)
[00:34:42] <nortunyu> hi again, I'm having trouble transfering files again. I run the enter fallback image, then connect via usb, but windows can't seem to access the contents of the ipod
[00:46:25] <user890104> nortunyu: yes, this happens sometimes, i can recommend either using other operating system (even a virtual one, for example ubuntu in virtualbox), using the command-line python tools (emcore.py) for file transfer, or trying different rockbox versions, until you find one that works for you
[00:50:19] <nortunyu> I will try it on my mac, let's see
[00:52:12] <nortunyu> "the disk you inserted was not readable by this computer"...
[00:55:41] <nortunyu> and windows is now asking me to format the disk
[00:55:53] <nortunyu> what is the "fallback image" anyways?
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[01:13:55] <user890104> nortunyu: it's a known-working version of rockbox
[01:14:26] <user890104> and we use it for file transfers, since we don't have a "disk mode" in emCORE
[01:14:52] <user890104> and if you delete the .rockbox dir, you can't boot rockbox anymore, unless you re-upload it
[01:15:15] <user890104> that's why we flash a rockbox image into the boot flash of the ipod, so you can easily recover such mistake
[01:15:58] <user890104> about mac, we use a partitioning scheme that macs don't seem to like
[01:16:37] <user890104> you can use my virtual filesystem app (emCOREFS), to mount the ipod on mac
[01:28:29] <user890104> http://freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCOREFS
[01:40:48] <csharp_> question about the ipod classic rockbox version r31516-120101
[01:41:08] <csharp_> how does that compare to the latest release of rockbox 3.13?
[01:42:02] <csharp_> and is there effort going on to update the r135... to whatever is current in the rockbox world?
[01:45:45] <user890104> the sencond part of the build number (120101) means that it is built from the source on 1 january 2012, so it's very old
[01:46:07] <user890104> you can get the latest available build either by updating using rockbox utility
[01:46:14] <user890104> www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download
[01:47:38] <user890104> or my downloading this file
[01:47:41] <user890104> http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
[01:47:50] <user890104> and extracting it to the root directory of the ipod
[01:48:20] <user890104> keep in mind that the most recent version of rockbox that will get installed by either method, is completely untested, and contains the most recent rockbox code
[01:48:55] <user890104> it's possible that it won't boot at all, or in rare cases, cause some side effects
[01:50:09] <user890104> there is no "release" version for the classics yet, that's why these builds are the most recent versions of rockbox for ipod classic
[01:55:15] <csharp_> got it. well, when i tried to use the rockbox utility on the classic, it just didn't work at all
[01:55:32] <csharp_> i.e. it didn't boot and went back to the fallback image
[01:55:44] <csharp_> i uploaded the ipod video version, i assumed that would be the closest build
[01:57:17] <csharp_> is there a forum where people may have mentioned particular builds that seem stable on the 6g? or do you know whether the latest build is stable/unstable?
[02:27:30] <[7]> csharp_: you obviously need to use the ipod classic version, not an ipod video one (which is completely different hardware, they really have barely anything in common)
[02:27:59] <[7]> you can generally assume that the latest build is likely to work well, except for file transfers which seem to generally be having problems lately
[02:28:57] <csharp_> yea, i seem to be running into those problems as speaking
[02:31:26] <[7]> they typically don't affect the fallback version though
[02:31:48] <[7]> so your computer must be especially picky about something
[02:32:17] <[7]> (sure, it should be fixed in rockbox regardless, but nobody seems to be getting around to actually doing that)
[02:32:36] <[7]> csharp_: did you have *any* trouble accessing the UMSboot drive to copy the installer file?
[02:32:44] <[7]> i.e. did it take long to appear or anything?
[02:32:52] <[7]> or did it behave just like a regular USB thumbdrive?
[02:33:13] <[7]> that information might help us further track down where rockbox's USB problems might be coming from
[02:33:30] <csharp_> no problem in terms of timing or copying the file, but the dos prompt that appeared said there was an error
[02:33:41] <[7]> that's to be expected
[02:34:07] <[7]> that error is basically "the device has disappeared from the bus (due to it booting the just uploaded code)"
[02:34:34] <[7]> so completely harmless and expected... actually that error not appearing would be a sign of a problem, lol :)
[02:34:43] <csharp_> "DeviceIoControl: Error 31: A device attached to the system is not functioning." is what it said
[02:34:50] <csharp_> haha
[02:35:01] <[7]> yes
[02:35:33] <[7]> windows just doesn't know WHY it disappeared (and that we expected it to), and thus freaks out
[02:36:07] <[7]> the code is actually waiting for that error condition before it indicates success to the user
[02:36:42] <csharp_> i see. well, no other problems i can think of
[02:36:52] <csharp_> when i plug it in now, it takes a while for the drive to show up
[02:37:15] <[7]> ok, and exactly the misbehavior that you're observing now didn't happen with UMSboot, right?
[02:37:18] <csharp_> first a note shows up there is a problem with the plugged device, it then dissapears and a drive shows up
[02:37:34] <[7]> that suggests that rockbox could benefit from just ripping out its USB driver and replacing it with UMSboot's (and some glue)
[02:37:59] <csharp_> nope. i was able to transfer ubi file without a problem
[02:38:10] <[7]> (it's a fair bit of work though)
[02:38:33] <csharp_> i'm using XP, if that makes any difference..
[02:38:43] <[7]> interesting
[02:38:57] <[7]> most of our user base is using windows 7/8 or linux, a few use macs
[02:39:09] <[7]> win7 seems to work mostly fine with the fallback image
[02:39:21] <[7]> win8 (and possibly win7 on usb3-capable hardware) is a bit more picky
[02:39:29] <[7]> linux just works, as usual ;)
[02:39:51] <csharp_> so do you think if i loaded an older UBI version just to transfer all the files the first time, it might be more  stable?
[02:39:54] <[7]> (linux system logs also suggest that something might not be completely right though)
[02:40:06] <[7]> no, the .ubi file version isn't relevant here
[02:40:11] <csharp_> i see
[02:40:18] <[7]> only the rockbox version is
[02:40:19] <csharp_> so it's the rockbox build
[02:40:45] <csharp_> yea, i'm still using the version that came with the distribution (01 01 2012)
[02:40:53] <csharp_> i can upload the lates one and see if that helps...
[02:41:04] <[7]> (this kind of stuff is actually fixed in the latest bootstrapper and (not yet released) UBI file/emCORE image, but not in the rockbox image that it includes
[02:41:26] <[7]> and fixing it in rockbox is a bit of work, although it should be mostly straightforward
[02:41:46] <[7]> I suspect that later rockbox versions will make matters worse, not better (for USB transfers)
[02:42:09] <csharp_> ok
[02:42:14] <[7]> they do fix a few other bugs (especially random hangs/lockups with stuttering music) and dramatically improve battery runtime though
[02:42:36] <[7]> so we recommend to upgrade to the latest and just use the fallback image for transferring files for the time being (until this gets fixed properly)
[02:42:50] <csharp_> yea.. i've transfered the first 21GB without a hitch, and now restarting the transfer for the third time
[02:43:18] <csharp_> ok, sounds good. i'll do that
[02:43:36] <csharp_> thanks so much for doing all the development, by the way!
[02:44:38] <csharp_> i was eagerly waiting/hoping for a classic stabalish build for a long time!!!
[02:44:49] <csharp_> and this is already awesome
[03:10:36] <nortunyu> [7]: so how do you suggest I proceed? none of my computers seem to be able to see the contents of my ipod now, but yesterday it was working fine
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[18:13:43] <nortunyu> so, given that none of my computers can see the contents of my ipod when running the fallback image, what version of rockbox should I try next?
[18:14:20] <nortunyu> or am I better off installing a virtual box with ubuntu? (I've never done this before, so I'm a bit hesitant))
[18:18:04] <nortunyu> and will trying a different rockbox version make me lose the music I have already trasnfered to the ipod?
[18:39:03] <user890104> nortunyu: you can reinstall the rockbox version, as long as you can access the ipod's hard disk
[18:39:17] <user890104> if you format it, you will lose all the data on it
[18:40:23] <nortunyu> hmmm well I can see the disk, but not its contents...
[18:40:28] <user890104> if emCORE can read the hard disk, you can access it with emCOREFS on Mac/Linux, or you can try the python scripts (emcore.py ls and so on)
[18:40:53] <user890104> you can tell if emcore reads the disk, if you see the winter theme of the boot menu
[18:40:59] <user890104> with the snow
[18:41:09] <user890104> if you don't, then emcore also can't read the hard disk
[18:42:38] <nortunyu> oh, it's working fine by itself
[18:43:03] <nortunyu> I see the rockbox options, can enter rockbox and see all the music there
[18:44:05] <nortunyu> it's just that I can't really access the drive for file transfer through windows
[18:46:04] <nortunyu> rockbox version seems to be f580714 131009, and when in fallback mode the version is d8fd988m 120222
[18:47:41] <nortunyu> does that make sense?
[20:30:07] <nortunyu> I've decided to try emcorefs on my mac, but I'm pretty lost
[20:45:18] <user890104> nortunyu: it makes sense, the fallback version is usually a very old one
[20:46:08] <nortunyu> ok, so if even that doesn't seem to work on my windows anymore, is there any sense in trying other versions of rockbox?
[20:47:15] <user890104> nortunyu: i would try an ancient one, like 2-3 years old
[20:47:39] <user890104> uhm well ... the ipod classic support isn't that old actually
[20:49:52] <nortunyu> ok, and to try an older version, do I need to format my ipod first?
[20:54:07] <user890104> not really, if you boot it using the python script
[20:54:28] <user890104> then you can use that old version (if it works) to install it permanently on the hard disk
[20:55:03] <user890104> in terms of "untethered" installation
[20:55:37] <user890104> which computer are you using now? the windows one, or the mac?
[20:56:17] <nortunyu> windows
[20:56:28] <nortunyu> my mac is too old for me to want to bother with
[20:57:02] <user890104> ok, connect your ipod, and select emCORE Console from the boot menu
[20:57:29] <user890104> then open device manager and tell me if you see any new device, in the USB branch
[21:00:10] <nortunyu> I see unknown device in the other devices branch
[21:00:59] <nortunyu> the USB controllers branch has some other normal looking intel stuff
[21:02:28] <user890104> double-click the unknown device
[21:02:31] <user890104> then go to the last tab
[21:03:15] <user890104> and select Hardware Ids
[21:04:12] <user890104> then tell me what's after VID_ and PID_
[21:04:15] <nortunyu> I see usb/vid_0763&PID_1001&Rev_0001
[21:04:24] <user890104> that's not the ipod
[21:04:51] <nortunyu> ok, let me look again
[21:04:55] <user890104> can you select View from device manager's menu, then select Devices by connection
[21:05:34] <user890104> then click on the top-level item (your computer), and press * from the numpad keyboard
[21:06:33] <user890104> it should expand all devices, then look for the ipod below the USB root hubs
[21:08:20] <nortunyu> I only see 2 unknown devices, the other one is FFFF and E000
[21:08:28] <user890104> yes, that's it
[21:08:32] <nortunyu> ah ok
[21:09:11] <user890104> great, now go to http://zadig.akeo.ie/
[21:09:27] <user890104> and download the appropriate version for your windows
[21:09:39] <nortunyu> k
[21:10:28] <user890104> then run it, select that device (check the USB ID section to make sure it's the correct one)
[21:10:51] <user890104> and tell me what's in the left box "Driver", to the left of the green arrow
[21:11:42] <nortunyu> in the dropdown I have 2 options: unknown device 1 and emcore debugger
[21:11:48] <nortunyu> we want the second one?
[21:11:56] <user890104> yes, exactly
[21:12:23] <nortunyu> ok, it has None listed
[21:12:46] <nortunyu> as driver
[21:13:28] <user890104> ok, select libusb-win32 in the right box, then click the button below
[21:15:02] <nortunyu> ok, done
[21:15:13] <nortunyu> now I see emcore debugger in device manager
[21:15:34] <user890104> great, now i'll send you some python scripts
[21:16:36] <user890104> do you have python 3 (installed or standalone)?
[21:17:57] <nortunyu> no, last time we used the temp version...
[21:18:07] <user890104> that should work too
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[21:20:57] <user890104> nortunyu: get this file: https://mega.co.nz/#!QkYQXKbQ!GGWIPiiGEi1eLC93KgpQ60D6IVV61Jk-OUIJJhHQQXs
[21:21:15] <user890104> extract it side by side to your python3 folder
[21:22:11] <user890104> then go to the folder where both python3 and tools are located, shift+right-click, select Open command window here
[21:22:19] <user890104> and type inside the console:
[21:22:31] <user890104> python3\python.exe tools\emcore.py ls
[21:22:42] <user890104> this should list all files in the root folder of the ipod
[21:22:52] <user890104> if this works, i have good news for you
[21:25:09] <Bapt_> hello everyone
[21:25:26] <nortunyu> problem with import libmcore and usb.core
[21:26:17] <nortunyu> "no module names usb.core"
[21:26:22] <Bapt_> I'm having trouble copying installer-ipodclassic.ubi on the USMboot volume on a Windows 7 32bits system and with an ipod classic 7g 160GB
[21:26:59] <Bapt_> each time I try to copy the file, explorer.exe stop working
[21:28:14] <user890104> nortunyu: extract this archive inside the tools folder: https://mega.co.nz/#!hgA0UKDJ!c-9KwAsvKAGaF1Xx69ZpKhMzJVVRXx1t-IwwrsTJnhI
[21:29:04] <user890104> Bapt_: can you copy it using the command line? press Windows key + R, then type cmd
[21:29:09] <Bapt_> do you have an idea what could be the cause ?
[21:29:12] <user890104> in that window, type:
[21:29:25] <Bapt_> nop, I tried
[21:29:29] <user890104> ah, i see
[21:29:34] <user890104> what happens then?
[21:29:49] <Bapt_> I typed cd H:\ (the letter of the USMboot
[21:30:08] <user890104> try this:
[21:30:18] <Bapt_> and there's no response anymore in the command line
[21:30:28] <user890104> copy c:\<path to the installer>\installer-ipodclassic.ubi H:\
[21:31:13] <user890104> which method are you using? itunes or non-itunes?
[21:32:19] <Bapt_> non-itunes (using floola)
[21:32:21] <nortunyu> now I get: "error: no emCORE device found!"
[21:32:28] <Bapt_> I'm trying to copy it your way
[21:33:47] <user890104> Bapt_: so you installed our driver for the DFU device?
[21:33:54] <Bapt_> yes
[21:34:11] <user890104> and uploaded the bootstrap using python, right?
[21:35:26] <user890104> nortunyu: is the emcore debugger still in device manager?
[21:35:51] <user890104> if not, reconnect the ipod, if this doesn't work, hard-reset it with menu+select, then go to emCORE console again and reconnect it
[21:36:03] <user890104> then, rerun the python command
[21:36:54] <nortunyu> yes, it is
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[21:38:31] <nortunyu> ok, I'll reset and try again
[21:38:42] <nortunyu> will I need to install that usb driver again?
[21:39:11] <Duckbuster> Hello, I'm in the process of installing EmCORE on my iPod Classic (160G/thin)
[21:39:27] <Duckbuster> And I was wondering how long the "Booting UBI file..." normally takes
[21:41:51] <Bapt_> @user890104 -> rebooted the ipod, reran the bootstrap, tried to copy the .ubi on the USMboot again and  nothing happened again, any idea ?
[21:42:18] <Duckbuster> It's safe to reboot, and try this again right?
[21:44:09] <user890104> Duckbuster: it should take no mo than 2-3 seconds, it is safe to reboot at this stage
[21:44:27] <user890104> nortunyu: no, the driver is alredy installed for this device
[21:44:55] <user890104> Bapt_: eject the ipod, as shown on the screenshot in the wiki
[21:44:57] <Duckbuster> Tried it again, same result. Any idea's?
[21:45:27] <user890104> Bapt_: eject it exactly this way, not using the system tray icon or just unplugging it
[21:45:52] <user890104> Duckbuster: what operating system are you using on your computer?
[21:46:14] <Duckbuster> Windows 8.1
[21:47:02] <Duckbuster> Should this be a problem?
[21:48:45] <user890104> Duckbuster: we haven't tested in on win 8.1 yet, but it should work
[21:49:44] <nortunyu> ok, well I restarted the ipod and I still see the emcore device in device manager, but the python script still gives the same error
[21:49:47] <Bapt_> @user890104 : ejected it, what should I do then ?
[21:50:03] <user890104> Duckbuster: can you check in device manager if the ipod is still shown as an usb device, after you eject it?
[21:50:24] <user890104> Bapt_: it should boot the installation now
[21:50:46] <user890104> i'll be back in a couple of minutes
[21:50:56] <Bapt_> nop, I still haven't found a way to copy it
[21:50:57] <Duckbuster> Only my dongle
[21:50:58] <Duckbuster> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9985874/ShareX/2013-10/2013-10-16_20-50-58.png
[21:51:04] <Bapt_> ok
[21:51:44] <Duckbuster> Could it be because of the ipod firmware?
[21:54:26] <Duckbuster> Does the first error have any effect on my ipod? Or is it just some other device it found
[21:54:27] <Duckbuster> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9985874/ShareX/2013-10/2013-10-16_20-54-09.png
[21:57:58] <user890104> Duckbuster: this error message is expected and normal, that's windows wondering why the device has disappeared, while it loads our custom firmware
[21:58:10] <Duckbuster> I see
[21:58:26] <Duckbuster> So you guys have no clue on why it doesn't want to boot the ubi?
[21:58:35] <Duckbuster> Should I try on a different pc?
[22:02:22] <Bapt_> user890104_: I still haven't found a way to copy the .ubi on the USMboot
[22:02:24] <user890104> Duckbuster: yes, that could fix the problem
[22:02:50] <Bapt_> do you have any idea how I could do that ?
[22:03:15] <user890104> Bapt_: you can try a different version of umsboot
[22:03:32] <user890104> nortunyu: what error message do you get? emcore device not found?
[22:05:35] <user890104> Duckbuster: you're using the itunes method, right? i can give you an alternative version of bootstrap_ipodclassic_itunes.exe that might work on win 8.1
[22:05:52] <Duckbuster> yeah I am using itunes method
[22:05:57] <Duckbuster> Sure, pass that along
[22:06:24] <nortunyu> es, that's the error
[22:07:19] <nortunyu> and I tried it on my other laptop, which gives a longer error message from core.py: "no backend available"
[22:08:20] <user890104> nortunyu: this means it can't find libusb (i.e. no driver installed)
[22:08:36] <user890104> you can use zadig to install/reinstall the libusb driver
[22:09:19] <nortunyu> ok
[22:12:04] <user890104> Bapt_: i'll send you a different version of bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu, so you can use that instead and start over with the installation
[22:13:12] <nortunyu> ok, now I get the same error on my laptop too: "no emcore device found"
[22:13:48] <user890104> nortunyu: that's strange, we must be missing something
[22:14:31] <user890104> Bapt_ Duckbuster: i'll send you an alternate installers, once i get my development pc to work, that should be in a couple of minutes
[22:14:47] <Duckbuster> trying the no itunes method atm
[22:14:50] <Duckbuster> on my netbook
[22:15:04] <Duckbuster> seems like that is a older usmboot version
[22:15:15] <Duckbuster> (0.0.1 r419)
[22:15:30] <user890104> ah, that's *very* old one :)
[22:15:36] <user890104> where did you get it from?
[22:15:42] <Duckbuster> from the page
[22:16:05] <Duckbuster> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/DFUNoiTunes
[22:16:09] <Duckbuster> "this file"
[22:16:48] <Duckbuster> is it safe to continue?
[22:17:01] <user890104> ah, that's TheSeven's .net app i guess
[22:17:52] <Duckbuster> it worked
[22:17:59] <Duckbuster> it launched the installer
[22:18:04] <user890104> ok, great
[22:18:24] <user890104> seems like our new umsboot version (0.2) doesn't work so well
[22:18:25] <Duckbuster> I can use a newer rockbox build right? (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort)
[22:18:36] <Duckbuster> Seems like it
[22:18:41] <user890104> Duckbuster: yes, of course
[22:18:43] <Duckbuster> It looks better though (on screen)
[22:19:01] <Duckbuster> Thanks for the help, let's see if I can get rockbox running now 
[22:19:10] <user890104> but keep in mind that file transfers in recent rockbox versions are broken sometimes
[22:19:37] <Duckbuster> Any recommended version around?
[22:19:40] <user890104> and you might need to use the older rockbox file (Tools->Run rockbox fallback image) for the file transfers
[22:19:51] <user890104> that's in emcore's boot menu
[22:20:04] <nortunyu> tried a reboot, but still getting the no emcore device found error
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[22:20:26] <user890104> well, generally you might want to install the most recent rockbox version and use it for playing music and stuff
[22:20:47] <user890104> and use the "fallback" one only for file transfers, since it doesn't have any codecs and won't play music
[22:21:13] <user890104> switch between them by holding the Play button, so rockbox shuts down, then select the desired version in the boot menu
[22:21:42] <Duckbuster> so, I just drop it in the root right?
[22:21:45] <Duckbuster> not in .apps
[22:22:07] <user890104> yes
[22:22:22] <user890104> .apps stores the bootmenu's settings and theme
[22:22:34] <user890104> you extract rockbox in the root folder
[22:22:52] <user890104> and put your music wherever you like, except in the .rockbox folder
[22:23:51] <user890104> i usually make a Music folder in the root folder, and put everything there
[22:24:16] <user890104> nortunyu: can you check everything again?
[22:24:20] <user890104> 1. the device is with hardware ids USB\VEN_FFFF&PID_E000\....
[22:24:22] <user890104> 2. the device is listed as libusb-win32 device
[22:24:34] <user890104> 3. zadig reports that it has the required driver
[22:24:43] <user890104> then, in the cmd window, type:
[22:24:52] <user890104> python3\python.exe
[22:27:41] <user890104> import usb.core
[22:28:06] <nortunyu> when I run zadig now this device is not showing up
[22:28:12] <nortunyu> only my other unknown device
[22:29:10] <nortunyu> ah, I had to let it show all devices
[22:29:12] <nortunyu> ok
[22:29:18] <Duckbuster> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9985874/ShareX/2013-10/iPodClassic_%28L%29_2013-10-16_21-29-16.png
[22:29:20] <Duckbuster> :)
[22:29:51] <user890104> Duckbuster: great, enjoy using rockbox
[22:29:58] <Duckbuster> Thanks
[22:30:16] <Duckbuster> I was getting sick of itunes and converting my flacs to alac
[22:30:31] <user890104> you can get a theme for the user interface here: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo
[22:30:38] <user890104> these should work fine on a classic
[22:31:20] <user890104> nortunyu: after the first two commands (if they succeed), type:
[22:31:30] <user890104> usb.core.find(find_all=True)
[22:31:30] <nortunyu> import tools\usb.core is giving me a character error
[22:31:59] <user890104> leave out the 'tools' part, type it as-is
[22:32:34] <user890104> that's how it should look like:
[22:32:35] <nortunyu> but then it doesnt find the module
[22:32:38] <user890104> >>> import usb.core
[22:32:38] <user890104> >>> usb.core.find(find_all=True)
[22:32:38] <user890104> [<usb.core.Device object at 0x027DC430>]
[22:32:38] <user890104> >>>
[22:32:43] <user890104> ah, i see
[22:32:46] <nortunyu> usb is a folder inside the tools folder
[22:32:56] <user890104> type exit, then cd to tools
[22:33:02] <nortunyu> k
[22:33:03] <user890104> then launch python with
[22:33:08] <user890104> ..\python3\python.exe
[22:33:19] <user890104> and rerty the import command
[22:35:14] <nortunyu> ok, that works
[22:35:44] <nortunyu> object at 0x02...something
[22:36:52] <user890104> can you try
[22:37:04] <user890104> usb.core.find(idVendor=0xffff, idProduct=0xe000)
[22:39:01] <nortunyu> ok, it finds object at somewhere else
[22:39:10] <nortunyu> similar to above
[22:39:26] <user890104> ok, so python sees the device
[22:39:33] <user890104> type exit
[22:39:44] <user890104> then type
[22:40:02] <user890104> ..\python3\python.exe emcore.py ls
[22:40:10] <user890104> assuming you're in the tools folder
[22:41:32] <nortunyu> no emcore device found...
[22:42:23] <user890104> ok, now launch python again
[22:42:28] <user890104> ..\python3\python.exe
[22:42:31] <user890104> import usb.core
[22:42:38] <user890104> usb.core.find(idVendor=0xffff, idProduct=0xe000)
[22:42:56] <user890104> if it still finds it, there's something very wrong here
[22:45:28] <nortunyu> yes, this still finds something...
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[22:45:46] <user890104> well, that's exactly what emcore.py does
[22:50:57] <nortunyu> weird...
[22:51:15] <TheSeven> what, 3 people needing support at once here? wow...
[22:52:10] <nortunyu> what I don't understand is why the fallback image was allowing me to trasnfer my files perfectly yesterday, but not today
[22:52:28] <user890104> TheSeven: yeah, it was a busy evening :)
[22:53:00] <Duckbuster> What theme are you using user890104? I am trying out Googley-Classic-Green
[22:53:32] <Duckbuster> <TheSeven> what, 3 people needing support at once here? wow...<- yeah I wasn't expecting this either, I thought "oh boy another dead support channel..."
[22:53:59] <user890104> Duckbuster: i'm using the default one, since my ipod is mostly used for development, and gets restored/formatted frequently :)
[22:54:25] <Duckbuster> I see
[22:54:34] <TheSeven> er.... umsboot 0.2 failed on a device where 0.1 worked? wtf.
[22:55:55] <user890104> TheSeven: windows 8.1 could be the reason for this
[22:56:16] <Duckbuster> You could pass me another version btw
[22:56:24] <Duckbuster> I could tgry to see if it works or not
[22:56:51] <user890104> Duckbuster: go to tools->umsboot, and see if it works
[22:56:54] <Duckbuster> Well I tried the other version on a other computer, running Windows 8, it did not have iTunes.
[22:57:05] <Duckbuster> All those factors
[22:57:09] <TheSeven> that's not good at all
[22:57:16] <user890104> upload the installer for example, it won't touch your music/files
[22:57:19] <TheSeven> means that 0.2 is still buggy
[22:57:30] <TheSeven> and we do know for sure that 0.1 is crap
[22:57:50] <user890104> make sure you eject it properly, by right-clicking the device in Computer, and selecting Eject
[22:58:16] <Duckbuster> <user890104> Duckbuster: go to tools->umsboot, and see if it works <- that launches the 0.1.0 r859 one
[22:58:19] <Duckbuster> not 0.2
[22:58:23] <user890104> ah, i see
[22:58:33] <user890104> does this one work then?
[22:58:55] <user890104> you installed using r4xx, right?
[22:59:01] <Duckbuster> yeah
[22:59:07] <Duckbuster> going to try r8xx on my 8.1
[22:59:13] <user890104> ok
[22:59:54] <user890104> here's 0.2: https://mega.co.nz/#!08QV3bbR!biJuqTvOJEnxEyAGVTLXn3GAYr8dzePm9x490mkKZkI
[22:59:55] <Duckbuster> panic, data abort at 22000304
[23:00:00] <user890104> ouch
[23:00:29] <Duckbuster> so yeah, that one didn't work, should I try it again?
[23:00:52] <user890104> when did the message appear? after ejecting?
[23:00:57] <Duckbuster> yeah
[23:01:00] <Duckbuster> after eject
[23:01:04] <nortunyu> also, yesterday the fallback image would show up as ipod device in windows, but today it's just a "removable drive" that I can't access
[23:01:14] <nortunyu> I can't think of anything that has changed
[23:01:38] <user890104> Duckbuster: try uploading the file i just posted instead of the installer
[23:02:02] <user890104> this should load umsboot 0.2 using umsboot 0.1
[23:02:14] <Duckbuster> hmm
[23:02:18] <Duckbuster> I tried it on my netbook
[23:02:23] <Duckbuster> and it booted the installer fine
[23:02:31] <Duckbuster> my netbook is 32bit though, this pc is 64bit
[23:02:42] <Duckbuster> But I'll try the file you posted now on my desktop
[23:02:54] <user890104> what about booting umsboot 0.2 (can you test on both computers please?)
[23:04:54] <Duckbuster> botting umsboot 0.2 on my netbook just hangs on booting...
[23:05:55] <Duckbuster> on desktop I get the same 22000304 error
[23:07:18] <user890104> Duckbuster: can you reinstall using this installer: https://mega.co.nz/#!g0BmBbIT!Ssa-QDGHzsYwO7bRcZAoVDvOCOJQQ1fTBpfD7G8bz3c
[23:07:52] <user890104> on your netbook
[23:11:19] <Duckbuster> it's flashing
[23:12:25] <Duckbuster> So I got it reinstalled
[23:12:27] <Duckbuster> What now?
[23:17:10] <user890104> now try umsboot on your desktop computer
[23:17:19] <Duckbuster> (I tested USMBoot from r899M) Tried to boot the file installer-ipodclassic.ubi that you posted earlier. It works on my netbook(you can see it boot text appear for a sec ) and my desktop it freezes at booting ubi file...
[23:17:47] <Duckbuster> I really have no idea what would cause this
[23:18:19] <user890104> which ubi files did you test on the desktop, with r899M?
[23:18:26] <Duckbuster> just that one
[23:18:30] <Duckbuster> i'll try the other installer
[23:18:56] <user890104> try booting umsboot 0.2 (umsboot-ipodclassic.ubi)
[23:19:08] <Duckbuster> I did that
[23:19:14] <Duckbuster> That didn't work
[23:20:33] <user890104> the point is to get a panic message with this version (i have debug files for it, so i can check what's going on using the numbers from the error message)
[23:20:36] <nortunyu> any other ideas? I will format and start over if that's what it takes...
[23:20:49] <user890104> you don't need to
[23:21:02] <user890104> the issue is with umsboot, that's entirely in the RAM
[23:21:41] <Duckbuster> Well like I said
[23:22:06] <Duckbuster> booting umsboot-ipodclassic.ubi just results in it hanging on Booting UBI file..., not error messages or anything
[23:24:01] <Duckbuster> maybe if you enable more verbose or something?
[23:26:31] <user890104> Duckbuster: yes, i can make a debug build
[23:26:41] <Duckbuster> Yeah, give me that
[23:26:44] <nortunyu> hmmm device manager even sees the device as Apple Ipod Classic Usb Device, but explorer only shows removable disk
[23:26:54] <Duckbuster> I can't really help you right now if it doesn't show me any information
[23:44:01] <user890104> Duckbuster: i can't make a debug build right now, thanks for testing so far. feel free to join tomorrow.
[23:44:12] <Duckbuster> Aight no problem
[23:44:18] <Duckbuster> I'll problem idle around here
[23:44:23] <Duckbuster> so just hit me up with a pm
[23:44:27] <user890104> ok
[23:44:28] <Duckbuster> *probably
[23:44:57] <Duckbuster> awsheet, is that some bejeweled
[23:45:12] <user890104> nortunyu: if you have your music files backed up, can you uninstall emcore completely?
[23:57:46] <nortunyu> yes, I have everything backed up
[23:58:09] <nortunyu> so I can re-install, but I don't really know how to on my own
[23:59:33] <user890104> nortunyu: you can either restore using itunes, or restore manually using our scripts