[00:00:18] <nortunyu> yes
[00:01:04] <user890104> great, i can send you one
[00:01:06] <[Saint]> Then we don't need to care about the update server at all. Huzzah.
[00:01:19] <user890104> btw: the video i was talking about, just got uploaded
[00:01:21] <user890104> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEz0cCDBqnQ
[00:01:27] <[Saint]> Nice.
[00:01:48] <user890104> nortunyu: you can see how fast the ipodscsi command should do its job
[00:01:59] <nortunyu> k
[00:03:14] <user890104> nortunyu: download the latest apple firmware for your ipod here: http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-5740.20081111.ZaU7Y/iPod_33.2.0.1.ipsw
[00:03:35] <user890104> then upload it with itunes (using shift+restore)
[00:07:13] <nortunyu> firmware file not compatible, again...
[00:11:04] <[Saint]> What the flying?
[00:11:04] <[Saint]> This iPod appears to have forgotten its an iPod.
[00:11:16] <nortunyu> heh
[00:13:01] <user890104> [23:18:33] <user890104> uhm well, sounds like damaged syscfg
[00:13:33] <nortunyu> meaning?
[00:13:35] <user890104> unfortunately, my guess was correct
[00:13:49] <user890104> your ipod has a block of data which holds the serial number, model and other stuff
[00:14:09] <user890104> this seems to have been wiped during installation of emcore for some reason
[00:14:21] <nortunyu> oy
[00:14:35] <nortunyu> so... I'm just screwed?
[00:14:37] <user890104> [Saint]: which generation is your ipod? [7] what about yours?
[00:15:08] <user890104> nortunyu: no, we can construct a new one, we just need a 7G ipod classic
[00:15:17] <nortunyu> ah
[00:15:20] <user890104> mine is 6.5G, so it won't work
[00:15:35] <nortunyu> and we are psotive that mine is 7G ?
[00:15:47] <user890104> yes, zadig shows 1247
[00:15:53] <nortunyu> right, ok
[00:16:23] <nortunyu> this is getting intense, I leave on a 15 hour flight in a few days, hence the ipod purchase :)
[00:17:06] <user890104> well, these things happen very rarely
[00:17:28] <user890104> mine has been re-flashed a zillion times, and its syscfg is still fine
[00:17:51] <user890104> (except when i forcefully wiped it, just to see how itunes handles such situations :) )
[00:19:06] <user890104> it's a matter of transferring a 1 MB file over usb, and we have a tool that does it
[00:19:15] <user890104> we just need the correct file for your ipod model
[00:19:24] <nortunyu> I understand
[00:19:32] <user890104> i can download mine and change the model (and serial number)
[00:19:42] <user890104> unless [7] has a better plan
[00:20:17] <nortunyu> I will try anything
[00:21:14] <user890104> [7]: we havent't tested mixing up different generations of ipod and SCfg, right? maybe i should flash a 1G one on my 2G, just to see if it works?
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[00:21:31] <[7]> I've never seen syscfg getting erased
[00:21:38] <[7]> in fact we never write to that block on a classic
[00:22:00] <[7]> user890104: can you actually confirm that the syscfg is damaged?
[00:22:53] <user890104> we should be able to download the NOR
[00:23:35] <user890104> with an umsboot bootstrap+emcore
[00:24:08] <user890104> can you please give nortunyu instructions how to do that, as i'm a bit busy at the moment?
[00:24:28] <nortunyu> I am all ears
[00:30:50] * [7] is too busy as well
[00:31:15] <[7]> but I think in case of a trashed syscfg our installer would refuse to install as well?
[00:31:21] <[7]> (that should be verified)
[00:31:30] <[7]> my take is that it might just be itunes being dumb
[00:31:35] <[7]> try the ipodscsi route of restoring
[00:32:46] <nortunyu> we tried that
[00:33:08] <nortunyu> it took an abnormally long time, but claimed to be successful
[00:33:25] <nortunyu> then I got an error when I tried to reformat the drive
[00:36:13] <user890104> my guess is that apple's updater is responsible for screwing up this
[00:36:33] <user890104> (the small progress bar below the apple logo, that runs after completing ipodscsi's upload)
[00:37:08] <user890104> nortunyu: so you have itunes installed now, right?
[00:37:21] <nortunyu> yup
[00:37:32] <user890104> ok, close it, then open up Task manager
[00:37:49] <user890104> go to processes, and kill everything that has Apple and Ipod in it
[00:38:11] <user890104> IpodService, AppleMobileHelper, or whatever these are named
[00:38:28] <user890104> i don't remember the exact names
[00:38:58] <nortunyu> k
[00:39:14] <user890104> then connect your ipod to usb, and enter DFU mode
[00:39:49] <nortunyu> ituneshelper was all I killed
[00:40:27] <user890104> ok
[00:41:11] <user890104> if itunes does not launch automatically when the ipod enters DFU, then it should be fine
[00:41:24] <nortunyu> ok, dfu mode entered
[00:41:26] <nortunyu> no itunes
[00:41:30] <[Saint]> user890104: all 6G "fat" models, sorry.
[00:42:56] <user890104> [Saint]: ah, i see
[00:43:08] <user890104> nortunyu: i'll send you a file to run, just a moment
[00:43:53] <user890104> check in device manager, if the dfu device uses apple's driver
[00:45:34] <user890104> it should be named Apple mobile device usb driver
[00:45:41] <nortunyu> the device manufacturer is Apple Inc.
[00:46:01] <nortunyu> but it is named USB DFU Device
[00:46:52] <[Saint]> user890104: Its not that I dislike the other generations of Classic, I actually think the 7G is kinda cute, but I like the old "fat" Classic for two reasons: 1 - It /looks/ like an iPod, it maintained almost identical lines to the iPod 5/5.5G Video with the silver backing and almost identical dimensions. 2 - They have a massive stock battery, and room for an even larger aftermarket battery.
[00:47:18] <user890104> nortunyu: that's fine then
[00:48:07] <[Saint]> Oh, I guess there's a 3: ease of disassembly.
[00:48:18] <user890104> nortunyu: https://mega.co.nz/#!8hJhhQyL!Yc5QHXwBXrcwgBXpOZRSQAJYficgVNkccYfO3D28ThE
[00:48:36] <user890104> [Saint]: 3. is a serious advantage :)
[00:48:46] * [Saint] nods
[00:49:27] <nortunyu> got the file
[00:49:33] <nortunyu> shall I run it?
[00:49:38] <user890104> yes
[00:50:04] <[Saint]> I have had a 2A battery and a 256GB mSATA disc in a "fat" Classic for a while now. It rocks.
[00:50:21] <nortunyu> "Could not open DFU device!"
[00:50:36] <[Saint]> Though the battery is closer to 1.8A in real life.
[00:50:50] <[Saint]> Gah! What the shit?
[00:50:56] <nortunyu> error 3: The system cannot find the path specified
[00:51:18] <user890104> nortunyu: sounds like a wrong driver, can you go to device manager, right click the device and select Update driver?
[00:51:38] <nortunyu> ok
[00:51:41] <user890104> then select Browse my computer...
[00:51:48] <[7]> user890104: apple's updater should never, ever write the syscfg sector either
[00:52:01] <user890104> then Let me pick from a list...
[00:52:04] <[7]> and if WTF actually booted up, then the syscfg can't be screwed up
[00:52:10] <[7]> even more so if the OF boots
[00:52:15] <nortunyu> ok, what file do I give it?
[00:52:21] <user890104> then click Have disk
[00:52:45] <[7]> if things are taking ages and USB access is troublesome, this smells more like HDD problems
[00:53:04] <user890104> look for iTunes in Program file, it should have its driver somewhere in its folder
[00:53:11] <nortunyu> k
[00:54:29] <user890104> i have the x64 driver files, so if your windows is 64 bit, i can make it easier for you by sending them
[00:54:39] <nortunyu> ok, now it's listed as Apple Mobile Device USB driver
[00:54:57] <user890104> great, rerun the bootstrapper app
[00:55:33] <nortunyu> UMSBoot has been launched!
[00:55:49] <user890104> and you see umsboot v0.2 on the screen?
[00:56:40] <nortunyu> but the console says error 31: a device attached is not functioning
[00:57:11] <nortunyu> in explorer, the H drive is now UMSBoot
[00:57:11] <user890104> that's fine, it's expected and harmless
[00:57:20] <user890104> download this: http://builds.freemyipod.org/emcore/target/ipodclassic/emcore-ipodclassic-r890.bin
[00:57:34] <user890104> rename it to emcore.ubi, and copy it to H:
[00:57:50] <user890104> then go one level up, right-click H: and select Eject
[00:58:11] <user890104> (i'm doing the same on my ipod at the moment)
[00:59:12] <nortunyu> ok
[00:59:19] <user890104> you should see a white screen with "emCORE v0.2.3 r890" text
[00:59:26] <nortunyu> my ipod says "Loading UBI file.. no ubi file found. Please retry"
[00:59:37] <user890104> uhm, you didn't rename it to .ubi
[00:59:49] <nortunyu> AH
[00:59:52] <nortunyu> you're right
[00:59:53] <nortunyu> sorry
[01:02:30] <nortunyu> now I get:
[01:02:46] <nortunyu> "no usable boot options. Waiting for usb command" after the emcore screen
[01:02:55] <[7]> sounds good
[01:04:06] <[Saint]> excellent.
[01:05:12] <nortunyu> I'm happy if you guys are :)
[01:05:44] <[Saint]> Oh, right, that's what I was supposed to do - from a /long/ time ago. How do I go about updating emCORE to bleeding edge for testings sake, [7]?
[01:07:37] <user890104> https://mega.co.nz/#!QkYQXKbQ!GGWIPiiGEi1eLC93KgpQ60D6IVV61Jk-OUIJJhHQQXs
[01:07:48] <user890104> nortunyu: download this tools.zip, in case you don't have it already
[01:07:53] <[Saint]> Just grab the latest non-failed Classic bin from the build server, rename to .ubi, and pray?
[01:07:53] <[Saint]> user890104: ^?
[01:09:27] <user890104> [Saint]: or better, use the svn head .ubi that i have on my desktop
[01:09:41] <user890104> i built it in my ubuntu VM
[01:09:52] <user890104> and it seems to work fine so far
[01:10:12] <user890104> with a notable exception of file renaming, that crashes the kernel :)
[01:10:25] <[Saint]> :)
[01:11:05] <nortunyu> so what did we conclude? syscfg is not damaged, or what?
[01:11:32] <user890104> no, we need to download the NOR flash contents
[01:12:27] <nortunyu> ok
[01:12:46] <user890104> that's why you need tools.zip
[01:13:20] <user890104> [7]: i need a quick reminder of the commandline that dumps nor to a file
[01:25:54] <[7]> memalign 0x100000 0x10
[01:26:17] <[7]> readbootflash <forgot the arg sequence>
[01:26:32] <user890104> addr_flash addr_mem size
[01:26:43] <[7]> so that's 0 <addr> 0x100000
[01:26:47] <[7]> downloadfile <addr> 0x100000 filename
[01:26:54] <user890104> thanks
[01:26:54] <[7]> free <addr>
[02:08:55] <nortunyu> ack, and ready to proceed when you are
[02:09:08] <nortunyu> (back)
[02:35:54] <user890104> nortunyu: more likely tomorrow, it's 02:35 in the night here
[02:35:56] <user890104> good night
[02:39:56] <nortunyu> ok, good night
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[15:22:03] <nortunyu> hooray for another day of troubleshooting :)
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[17:49:23] <nortunyu> user890104, please let me know when we you're ready to carry on
[17:55:21] <nortunyu> I will have a third computer available tonight that I can try this on, but I really don't think that would help much at this point...
[20:25:14] <user890104> nortunyu: maybe in about half an hour
[20:27:39] <nortunyu> okie dokie, i'll be around for about 2 more hours
[20:27:47] <nortunyu> I appreciate your help, a lot
[21:02:09] <user890104> nortunyu: i'm ready
[21:02:18] <nortunyu> me too!
[21:02:25] <user890104> ok, let's get this done
[21:02:44] <user890104> enter DFU, and use bootstrapper-ipodclassic.ubi (the most recent one) with ipoddfu
[21:02:56] <user890104> i'll send you a more recent emcore.bin file
[21:02:57] <nortunyu> yup, that's where I'm at now
[21:03:04] <nortunyu> ok
[21:03:10] <user890104> because we changed the usb debugging api at some point
[21:03:23] <user890104> so you can reuse that tools.zip file i sent you yesterday
[21:04:12] <nortunyu> I have the ...r890.ubi on the ipod now
[21:04:18] <nortunyu> that's not what we want?
[21:04:45] <user890104> you didn't restart it since yesterday?
[21:05:04] <nortunyu> I did, but then I did this again since I figured that's where we left off
[21:05:12] <user890104> ah, i see
[21:05:16] <nortunyu> the ipod is now "waiting for command via usb"
[21:05:21] <user890104> well, i'll make a brand new build just in case
[21:05:38] <nortunyu> k
[21:05:41] <user890104> so i'll have the debug files handy, in case something goes wrong again
[21:08:41] <nortunyu> actually, I'm not sure what you mean by "use bootstrapper-ipodclassic.ubi (the most recent one) with ipoddfu"
[21:09:00] <user890104> ah, did i write .ubi?
[21:09:05] <user890104> i meant .dfu
[21:09:37] <nortunyu> ok, but how do I "use" it?
[21:09:45] <user890104> just reboot the ipod in DFU mode, and don't upload anything yet
[21:09:59] <user890104> well, "python.exe ipoddfu.py bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu"
[21:10:05] <nortunyu> ah ok
[21:10:11] <user890104> (assuming they are in the same folder)
[21:10:24] <user890104> but just leave it in DFU for now
[21:10:34] <user890104> until i send you some updated files
[21:12:56] <user890104> building everything should take no more than 10 minutes
[21:28:43] <user890104> well, it takes a little longer
[21:29:44] <nortunyu> hehe
[21:40:57] <user890104> nortunyu: download this
[21:40:59] <user890104> https://mega.co.nz/#!45Ih0abb!GGXDFSIQB2qZJClchUDoz26c5x8GEetU6Xv32cZLHG8
[21:41:05] <nortunyu> k
[21:41:33] <user890104> then run the ipoddfu script with this bootstrapper, and upload emcore.ubi
[21:42:08] <user890104> the installer.ubi file is not needed now
[21:42:22] <user890104> tell me when you see "waiting for usb commands" on the screen
[21:43:30] <nortunyu> python.exe ipoddfu.py emcore.ubi ?
[21:43:37] <nortunyu> assuming all files in one folder?
[21:45:32] <user890104> no
[21:45:38] <nortunyu> didn't think so
[21:45:50] <user890104> python.exe ipoddfu.py bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu
[21:46:03] <user890104> then upload emcore.ubi to the umsboot drive using explorer
[21:47:38] <nortunyu> oh, windows doesn't see my dfu device for some reason
[21:47:46] <nortunyu> and menu+select isn't doing anything
[21:48:44] <nortunyu> ok there we go
[21:48:54] <nortunyu> but windows still doesn't see it...
[21:49:43] <nortunyu> ok got it
[21:50:32] <nortunyu> waiting for usb command
[21:51:43] <user890104> python3\python.exe tools\emcore.py getinfo version
[21:52:41] <nortunyu> connected to emcore debugger v0.2.3 r899 running on ipod classic
[21:53:40] <user890104> ok, great
[21:54:03] <user890104> run the next commands using the same script
[21:54:14] <user890104> replacing "getinfo version" with the actual command
[21:54:22] <nortunyu> k
[21:54:26] <user890104> memalign 0x100000 0x10
[21:54:38] <user890104> tell me what is the result of this command
[21:54:52] <user890104> it should include an address in the form of 0x0800xxxx
[21:55:06] <nortunyu> allocating 16 bytes of memory aligned to 0x100000
[21:55:20] <nortunyu> allocated 16 bytes of memory at 0x8100000
[21:55:56] <user890104> readbootflash 0 0x8100000 0x100000
[21:56:26] <user890104> downloadfile 0x8100000 0x100000 norflash.bin
[21:56:37] <user890104> free 0x8100000
[21:56:54] <user890104> then zip and send me norflash.bin that's in the same folder where you cmd window is currently at
[21:58:56] <nortunyu> free gave me an error
[21:59:08] <user890104> what error?
[21:59:20] <nortunyu> Error: there is a problem with the usb connection
[21:59:35] <user890104> what's the size of norflash.bin?
[21:59:51] <nortunyu> 1 mb
[22:00:44] <nortunyu> there's also an error msg on the ipod screen, but I'm not sure when it came up:
[22:01:04] <nortunyu> *Panic* Data abort at 220034E4! 
[22:01:19] <nortunyu> FSR: 00000005 (domain 0, fault 5)
[22:01:32] <nortunyu> Address: 53724E79
[22:01:59] <user890104> ouch
[22:02:08] <user890104> can you redo the whole process, starting with dfu
[22:02:14] <nortunyu> k
[22:02:19] <user890104> then watch the screen after every of the emcore.py commands
[22:05:53] <nortunyu> it comes up after the free command
[22:07:41] <user890104> ok, that's fine 
[22:07:51] <user890104> send me the file please
[22:08:19] <nortunyu> through irc?
[22:08:53] <user890104> well, i doubt that would work
[22:09:11] <user890104> either use a file sharing site, or email it to user890104@freemyipod.org
[22:10:09] <nortunyu> https://mega.co.nz/#!yFZT2K7T!bjHYJ0AZLWi6E-mlvigBomCjzTQR_Ut-uxvsQanMsZE
[22:11:09] <user890104> ok, let's take a look at this...
[22:13:45] <user890104> syscfg looks fine
[22:13:51] * user890104 pings TheSeven
[22:13:56] <nortunyu> ok...
[22:14:47] <user890104> there are some remains of emcore at 0x1000
[22:14:56] <user890104> looks like the directory entries
[22:15:34] <user890104> and something with an emCOexec header at 0x2000
[22:16:59] <user890104> also at 0x3000, something that looks like umsboot at 0x5000, and probably apple's bootloader at 0x8000
[22:17:32] <nortunyu> so we need to clear away all this junk, or what?
[22:18:04] <user890104> well, itunes should overwrite that with its stuff
[22:18:20] <user890104> i don't see any reason why it doesn't want to restore the ipod
[22:18:33] <user890104> as TheSeven, we don't touch the area where syscfg is stored
[22:18:51] <user890104> but i just wanted to make sure it's ok
[22:19:15] <user890104> can you redo restoring with itunes?
[22:19:22] <nortunyu> ok I'll try
[22:19:27] <nortunyu> back into dfu mode?
[22:19:37] <user890104> uhm, we haven't tried that
[22:19:50] <user890104> get it to dfu, then update the driver with apple's
[22:20:07] <user890104> and use itunes to restore (shift+click) the ipsw file i sent you
[22:20:16] <nortunyu> k
[22:20:50] <nortunyu> so I want the device to be "Apple mobile Device USB driver" ?
[22:21:16] <user890104> yes
[22:21:48] <nortunyu> hmm itunes isn't asking me to restore
[22:22:28] <nortunyu> can I get to that screen manually?
[22:22:50] <user890104> if the ipod is in dfu with apple's driver, itunes should pop up and ask you to restore it
[22:23:40] <nortunyu> when I start itunes I get "The ipod software update server could not be contacted" and then just the itunes screen
[22:23:47] <nortunyu> this wasn't happening yesterday
[22:27:32] <nortunyu> switching the driver to ipod classic dfu gives the same behaviour
[22:37:06] <nortunyu> I will try this again tonight on another computer with a fresh install of itunes 9.2.5.1
[22:38:19] <user890104> ok
[22:38:50] <user890104> if it doesn't work, redo it but leaving the ipod in non-dfu mode (the do not disconnect screen)
[22:39:17] <nortunyu> ok
[22:39:48] <nortunyu> if you have any other suggestions that come to mind just write them out here and I'll see it when I return tonight
[22:39:59] <user890104> well, i don't at the moment
[22:40:21] <nortunyu> btw, what is the correct way to get out of dfu mode?
[22:40:39] <user890104> uploading a valid image
[22:40:56] <user890104> it would run it, and exit dfu
[22:41:07] <user890104> but it should be perfectly safe to hard-reset the ipod
[22:41:14] <nortunyu> oh, because right now I just sort of press a bunch of buttons until it resets
[22:41:46] <nortunyu> hard reset is menu+select?
[22:41:53] <user890104> yes, for 5 seconds
[22:42:57] <nortunyu> hmmm itunes now wants to restore my ipod
[22:43:06] <nortunyu> with the do not disconnect screen
[22:43:39] <nortunyu> but I still get the same error using your ipsw file
[22:43:52] <nortunyu> "the firmware file is not compatible"
[22:45:07] <nortunyu> oh, hopefully I will have better luck later
[22:46:18] <nortunyu> and if I disconnect the ipod when it's connected in dfu mode, do I just leave it like that until I use it next?
[22:47:54] <nortunyu> anyways, gotta go
[22:48:01] <nortunyu> will report back in later
[22:49:24] <user890104> if you disconnect an ipod in dfu mode, it would be a better idea to reset it, then turn it off
[22:50:12] <user890104> doing this if you don't have any working firmware (neither emcore nor apple's), is a bit tricky, you basicly want to lock the hold switch, exactly when it reboots while holding menu+select
[22:50:36] <user890104> so if reboots with the hold switch locked, and doesn't boot any OS
[23:17:00] <user890104> [01:26:06] <[7]> memalign 0x100000 0x10
[23:17:05] <user890104> gotcha!
[23:17:20] <user890104> memalign <align> <size>
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