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[07:01:33] <random> I need help
[07:01:50] <random> How do I install Rockbox?
[07:02:16] <random> and how long should it take for the UBI to boot?
[07:02:22] <[Saint]> The wiki page I assume you found this channel from describes it perfectly clearly.
[07:02:52] <random> I know how to install rockbox but how long does it take to boot the UBI?
[07:03:34] <random> I'm using an iPod Classic, 7th Generation, 160 GB
[07:03:35] <[Saint]> Approximately 2 seconds
[07:03:56] <random> damnit, my thing has been BOOTING UBI FILE for more than that
[07:04:07] <[Saint]> I figured.
[07:04:07] <random> WAY more than that (now running 5 minutes)
[07:04:17] <[Saint]> Reboot it. Its not happening.
[07:04:28] <random> OK
[07:04:40] <random> Rebooted
[07:04:51] <random> Apple Logo and I'm back on the iPod iOS
[07:05:04] <random> or firmware,
[07:05:11] <random> you know what I meant
[07:05:12] <[Saint]> You're not using USB3 and/or Windows <&, are you?
[07:05:18] <[Saint]> * <7
[07:05:25] <random> I'm on W8, sadly
[07:05:43] <[Saint]> YEah, that's almost certainly not going to happen.
[07:05:51] <[Saint]> We don't know why.
[07:05:55] <random> Sooooooo I have to do it from W7?
[07:05:59] <random> or is it XP?
[07:06:12] <random> I mean Vista, not XP lol
[07:06:14] <[Saint]> But, FWIW, its also incredidly unlikely it would succeed on any Windows variant.
[07:06:38] <random> So it can only be done on Linux or Mac?
[07:07:02] <[Saint]> The install procedures for Windows, combined with the various bugs Windows has in its variants, makes for a myriad of possible sombinations for it to fuck up.
[07:07:20] <[Saint]> The best bet is with a debian-esque distribution.
[07:07:21] <random> ah
[07:07:29] <random> well shit....
[07:08:04] <[Saint]> I think sadly only one active developer uses Windows regularly, and everything "Just Works" on his system.
[07:08:36] <random> lucky~
[07:08:41] <[Saint]> You can boot Debian/Ubuntu/Etc. quite trivially from generic USB storage, or a LiveCD.
[07:09:01] <[Saint]> Well, its not terribly lucky, really. As it makes it practically impossible to debug. :-S
[07:09:11] <random> right
[07:09:25] <random> If all else fails, I'll just use the iPod as-is
[07:09:35] <random> but I may wanna look into debian
[07:10:03] <random> really big thank-you for clearing this up
[07:10:14] <[Saint]> Just a quick check, you could also try ejecting the drive manually.
[07:10:30] <[Saint]> But not with the "Safely remove hardware" thing on the task bar.
[07:11:26] <[Saint]> In all honest, I would expect that to also fail (based on past experience), but it is worth trying. Eject from the device manager instead.
[07:11:57] <random> Device Manager at the bottom-right?
[07:12:20] <random> Methinks I should do the bootstrap with Compatibility Mode
[07:12:55] <[Saint]> There's two different ways I know of where it fucks up handing off to the system after uploading the UBI image.
[07:12:57] <random> It says "Error 31, A Device attached to the system is not functioning"
[07:13:08] <random> that's one of them, I'm sure
[07:13:12] <random> right?
[07:13:14] <[Saint]> I think one of them the cause is known.
[07:13:24] <[Saint]> That's expected, actually.
[07:13:33] <random> ah
[07:13:34] <[Saint]> It actually means its working as it should.
[07:13:39] <random> okay...
[07:13:40] <[Saint]> It would be an error to not see that. :)
[07:13:48] <random> Ironically :3
[07:14:11] <random> I used the latest EmCore last time
[07:14:17] <random> maybe I should dumb it down?
[07:14:17] <[Saint]> Its just when we bootstrap, the driver suddenly disappears and is replaced, and Wndows freaks out a little.
[07:14:25] <random> as in
[07:14:37] <random> like, maybe I should use an older version?
[07:14:43] <random> Let's see how that works
[07:14:47] <[Saint]> No.
[07:15:13] <[Saint]> Believe it or not, this is the less bugged version.
[07:15:22] <random> I know it is
[07:15:33] <random> but I'm just saying, this could be worth the shot
[07:17:37] <[Saint]> re: Device manager in Windows 8/8.1, I know its definitely available from the control panel rather oviously if the control panel view isn't set to large icons.
[07:17:51] <[Saint]> But I haven't used Windows for about 4 years now.
[07:18:17] <random> Ejected
[07:18:20] <random> NO RESPONSE
[07:18:24] <random> (older version
[07:18:26] <random> used)
[07:19:08] <[Saint]> The LCD doesn't show a weird, half and half-ish image of the Apple boot splash by any chance, does it?
[07:19:15] <random> hell no
[07:19:37] <random> it's not working is it then?
[07:19:44] <[Saint]> Ok, right. So this is "the other way" of the two I know of I mentioned earlier.
[07:19:51] <random> oh
[07:20:33] <[Saint]> This is the one I'm pretty sure no one has much of a clue about why it happens or what the trigger was.
[07:20:34] <[Saint]> As it used to function perfectly.
[07:20:46] <[Saint]> And the code on this end hasn't changed in an age.
[07:20:51] <random> Hmm
[07:21:02] <random> All I know for sure is, I want my RB back
[07:21:24] <random> I'm a noob, so please bear with me
[07:21:56] <random> I had an MP3 last year called the Sansa Fuze Plus. And, though it was listed as Unstable, it did me well for about a year
[07:22:01] <[Saint]> The other other way, I believe, is caused by a specific LCD variant that isn't quite handled properly.
[07:22:06] <random> ah
[07:22:11] <[Saint]> Right, its a nice player, yes.
[07:22:25] <random> That SF Plus ran slowly...
[07:22:29] <random> VERY, VERY SLOWLY
[07:22:30] <[Saint]> They kinda remind me of Samsung flagship mobiles, though.
[07:22:37] <random> until I added RB
[07:22:49] <[Saint]> Even though they're very nice hardware, they feel cheap and plasticy and flimsily made.
[07:22:51] <[Saint]> (to me, anyway)
[07:22:56] <[Saint]> Like a Happy Meal toy.
[07:22:59] <random> lol
[07:23:09] <random> well, it kind of IS a toy--
[07:23:20] <random> 4 or 8 gigs isn't much to sneeze at to me
[07:23:31] <random> But when you throw on a 32-gig SD card...
[07:23:48] <[Saint]> It would be more expensive, and harder to fabricate, but it would feel a /lot/ nicer if it had an aluminium unibody case.
[07:24:05] <[Saint]> Instead of flimsy feeling plastic.
[07:24:15] <random> I agree, man :D
[07:24:34] <[Saint]> Whether humans do it consciously or not, they directly associate the weight of a product with its value.
[07:24:54] <[Saint]> Hence the trend of shoddy Chinese goods glueing bolts into stereos or HDDs.
[07:25:17] <[Saint]> If it feels more substantial, it is "more well made".
[07:25:35] <random> SF Plus is probably the best Flimsy toy I've used though XD
[07:25:35] <[Saint]> ...even if its really garbage. Heh. Humans. :)
[07:26:10] <random> I actually had to swap my iPod Classic today =_=
[07:26:31] <random> some asshole sold his iPod to the place where I bought it from, and it had a HIGH number of Allocations
[07:26:46] <random> meaning its harddrive was fucking FUBAR
[07:27:05] <random> and thus I swapped mine
[07:27:19] <random> which was the one that was sold with the fucked up harddrive
[07:27:24] <random> that same one.
[07:27:31] <random> I'm glad I replaced it.
[07:27:33] <[Saint]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD or http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows while I remeber.
[07:27:38] <random> Thanks
[07:28:11] <random> I'll either do this tomorrow or continue with the iPod as is
[07:28:13] <[Saint]> Actually, s/he may or may not have been an asshole.
[07:28:22] <random> You may be right
[07:28:29] <[Saint]> These disks have notoriously shitty firmware.
[07:28:52] <[Saint]> They pretty much always seem to die from self destructing, rather than end-of-life.
[07:29:10] <random> well the one I newly swapped for ain't dead yet
[07:29:16] <[Saint]> We've seen some really badly damaged platters come through here in the past.
[07:29:58] <[Saint]> In interesting patterns, as one thing the disks seem to love to do is slam the heads against the platter at high speed.
[07:30:13] <random> ugh...
[07:30:24] <random> I feel like there should be an 8th-Gen iClassic
[07:30:41] <random> with 320 Gigs, and a BETTER internal hardware that doesn't do this shit
[07:30:45] <[Saint]> Oddly, they seem to have totally dropped the Classic line.
[07:30:54] <[Saint]> I have been expecting an update for a while.
[07:31:10] <[Saint]> But...nope. And they still sell the fucking 7G at full price. :-S
[07:31:26] <random> you mean 6.5g?
[07:31:34] <[Saint]> After...what, 4 years now?
[07:31:39] <random> There's a fuckton of nicknames for this one XD
[07:31:49] <random> 6th Gen, Second Revision
[07:32:00] <random> Generation 6.5, 7th Gen
[07:32:19] <random> as I haven't had an iPod in years, I get lost in the nicknames
[07:32:52] <[Saint]> (for added fun, there's also a hardware variation with different incompatible firmware that didn't change the model number with the 7G/whateveryouwannacallit :))
[07:33:00] <random> lol
[07:33:51] <[Saint]> As far as I'm concerned, they fucked up with the 4G by calling it the Color/Photo
[07:34:19] <random> What is your opinion on the U2 iPod?
[07:34:24] <[Saint]> It would be a lot easier, in my mind, if all the non-touch, non-nano, non-shuffle variants were just 'iPod"
[07:34:45] <random> YES
[07:34:58] <[Saint]> The u2 variant is just a Color/Photo with an ugly front and a custom engraved rear case.
[07:35:28] <random> Yeah, I feel it's overpriced, 
[07:35:34] <random> people still have it online, FULL FUCKING PRICE
[07:36:33] <[Saint]> iPod 4G/Color/Photo, iPod Video 5/5.5G, iPod Classic 6/6.5/7G/whatever, ahoudl all just be iPod 4G, iPod 5G, iPod 5.5G, iPod 6G...etc.
[07:37:06] <[Saint]> People call the 4G and Video "Classic" iPods now. ANd its *so* confusing.
[07:37:26] <random> U2 iPod is still at full price in some stores, which I will always believe is ridiculous. $300 for 30 gigs, FUCK THAT! The Sansa Fuse Plus I had-- which had 10 more gigabytes because of the 32gig SD Card, and me having the 8-gig, only cost $130 or so as just the MP3 player and SD Card.
[07:37:30] <[Saint]> I partially blame Wikipedia. I think they had a big part in this terrible naming scheme.
[07:38:00] <random> Wiki is definitely to blame here
[07:38:21] <random>  but I blame Apple
[07:38:32] <random> WHY ADD THE 'CLASSIC'?
[07:38:55] <random> Personally, when I hear the name "iPod Classic" I THINK OF THE FIRSTO NE
[07:38:57] <random> *first one
[07:39:19] <[Saint]> Yeah, its weird. "We can see its the big one, its not the touchy one, or the little one, or the other really little one, we're not that stupid, thanks".
[07:39:34] <random> How about this. 
[07:39:40] <random> iPod CLICKWHEEL.
[07:39:45] <random> Just call it that!
[07:40:42] <[Saint]> That would count Nanos, though.
[07:40:43] <random> That's the BIG defining feature we all recognize that the Phone, the Phone without a Mic, the 1-Incher, and the little rectangle without buttons that forces you to use your voice and makes you look just as crazy as the bluetooth does.
[07:40:58] <random> the Current Nano doesn't use Clickwheel.
[07:41:00] <[Saint]> (but not the new variants, so it gets more confusing)
[07:41:14] <random> I call it the 1-Incher...
[07:41:19] <random> you can obviously see why
[07:41:32] <[Saint]> Must. Not. Make. Penis. Joke.
[07:41:42] <random> XD
[07:42:20] <random> WAIT 
[07:42:26] <random> SHIT, wrong iPod
[07:42:40] <random> SHUFFLE is the 1-Incher
[07:42:45] <random> That was my fuckup
[07:44:06] <[Saint]> If it helps any, the Nano 6G is 1.1"
[07:44:35] <random> THAT'S THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THEN~
[07:45:07] <random> THAT'S what I was referring to as the 1-Incher. That joke goes for both THIS Nano and the current shuffe
[07:45:09] <random> *Shuffle
[07:45:27] <random> though I think the Shuffle is smaller
[07:46:08] <random> Saint'
[07:46:12] <random> do you skype?
[07:46:21] * [Saint] does not
[07:46:36] <random> that's fine
[07:46:52] <random> Thank you for the help
[07:46:55] <random> I'll go to be
[07:46:57] <random> *bed
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