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[04:28:57] <goom> hiya
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[11:19:51] <user890104> goom: hi
[11:40:49] <goom> hey user890104 
[11:41:54] <goom> Apr 02 06:04:13 <goom>	hey, so i'm at the point 'Wait for the driver installation to complete'
[11:41:55] <goom> Apr 02 06:04:18 <goom>	but windows says driver not found
[11:41:55] <goom> Apr 02 06:04:24 <goom>	any tips?
[11:41:55] <goom> Apr 02 06:08:24 <goom>	"insert disc that came with your usb dfu device"
[11:42:08] <goom> using an ipod classic
[11:43:10] <user890104> ah, this means you don't have apple's usb drivers
[11:43:20] <user890104> which method are you using?
[11:43:27] <goom> itunes
[11:43:50] <goom> i don't have any disc, if that's what it means
[11:43:57] <goom> not that i can recall
[12:09:50] <user890104> no, you don't need a disc, it's just the windows error message that has wrong wording
[12:09:59] <goom> ah
[12:10:18] <user890104> basicly, it wasn't able to automatically locate the right driver
[12:10:40] <user890104> which is unlikely, because you have itunes installed
[12:11:03] <user890104> can you open Device manager?
[12:11:09] <goom> sure
[12:11:20] <goom> watcha want me to check?
[12:11:28] <user890104> ok, then click View on the menubar, select Devices by connection
[12:12:01] <user890104> then click on the topmost item (computer) and press * on the numpad, that should expand the whole device tree
[12:12:29] <user890104> then look into USB controllers for some device that has a problem (yellow mark) next to the icon
[12:12:40] <user890104> can you see one?
[12:14:37] <goom> did not know about that * shortcut, handy
[12:15:26] <goom> devices by type right?
[12:15:29] <user890104> yes
[12:15:34] <goom> i don't see usb controllers 'by connection'
[12:15:46] <goom> no yellow marks
[12:16:00] <user890104> ok, USB hubs then?
[12:16:52] <goom> no problems there either
[12:17:09] <user890104> i mean the devices *under* any of the hubs
[12:17:19] <goom> i don't see any yellow marks on anything i mean
[12:17:24] <user890104> ah, i see
[12:18:11] <goom> 'show hidden devices' is off, if that matters
[12:18:17] <user890104> when your ipod is connected, do you see it in device manager, and what is the device name?
[12:18:24] <user890104> no, you don't need the hidden devices
[12:18:35] <goom> ah ok lemme try pluggin in
[12:20:18] <goom> where would it be?
[12:20:34] <user890104> under one of the usb hubs
[12:20:46] <user890104> usb root hubs, to be exact
[12:21:31] <goom> Apple Mobile Device USB Driver
[12:21:33] <goom> right?
[12:24:50] <user890104> this is the ipod in DFU?
[12:25:01] <user890104> double-click it, then go to the last page (details)
[12:25:40] <user890104> and tell me what are the IDs in Hardware IDs (USB\VID_XXXX&PID_YYYY....)
[12:25:56] <user890104> XXXX should be 05AC
[12:26:07] <user890104> and Y should be 1223 if in DFU
[12:26:08] <goom> http://i.imgur.com/PZvYq7l.png
[12:26:09] <goom> oh ok
[12:27:17] <goom> USB\VID_05AC&PID_1261&REV_0001
[12:27:18] <goom>  and USB\VID_05AC&PID_1261
[12:41:32] <user890104> ok, so this is not dfu mode
[12:41:40] <goom> dfu?
[12:42:09] <user890104> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_bIDtBohnE
[12:42:36] <user890104> can you enter dfu mode, then check again the usb ids?
[12:43:14] <goom> oh yeah i'm just in standard mode atm
[12:43:27] <goom> i tried this a few weeks ago
[12:43:28] <goom> one sec
[12:45:25] <goom> ok so
[12:45:31] <goom> found new hardware appears
[12:45:51] <goom> http://i.imgur.com/Hm4WZF2.png
[12:46:17] <goom> ok good
[12:46:22] <goom> got the error in usb
[12:46:46] <goom> USB\VID_05AC&PID_1223&REV_0001
[12:46:47] <goom>  USB\VID_05AC&PID_1223
[12:48:57] <user890104> what did you choose on the Found new hardware screen?
[12:49:11] <goom> nothing yet
[12:49:34] <goom> i tried 'locate and install' last time and it failed
[12:50:35] <user890104> try it again, and if it fails, i'll tell you how to install the driver manually
[12:51:17] <goom> alright, thanks for your help so far btw
[12:51:22] <goom> it's searching
[12:53:40] <goom> http://i.imgur.com/qLZnEZK.png
[12:53:44] <goom> needs disc it says
[12:53:53] <goom> so not found i guess?
[13:04:27] <goom> user890104, ?
[13:09:33] <user890104> ok, select Show me other options
[13:09:42] <user890104> what windows version is this?
[13:15:12] <goom> vista :P
[13:16:03] <user890104> ah... that's why it doesn't look familiar to me at all :)
[13:16:11] <goom> oh no i use classic skin
[13:16:17] <goom> windows 95/98 look
[13:16:32] <user890104> i mean the hardware install dialogs
[13:16:33] <goom> ok it says either check for a solution (didn't work) or browse my computer for driver software
[13:16:35] <goom> ah
[13:16:44] <user890104> select Browse the computer
[13:16:52] <goom> alright
[13:17:38] <user890104> the drivers should be in Program files, and then some apple-related folder
[13:17:45] <user890104> i'm looking for them at the moment
[13:18:21] <user890104> the other option would be c:\windows\inf
[13:18:22] <goom> ok tanks
[13:18:51] <goom> driver name is?
[13:18:59] <user890104> C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\Drivers
[13:19:02] <user890104> try this
[13:19:23] <user890104> usbaapl.inf or usbaapl64.inf
[13:20:02] <goom> no mobile device support folder
[13:20:21] <user890104> ok, that explains why it can't find the driver
[13:20:27] <user890104> so go to apple.com/itunes
[13:20:29] <goom> haha
[13:20:37] <user890104> and download the latest itunes installer
[13:20:46] <goom> ah i need the latest version?
[13:20:59] <goom> i'm using 9.x
[13:21:16] <user890104> don't install it
[13:21:23] <user890104> just follow these instructions: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/InstalliTunesDrivers
[13:21:25] <goom> ah extract
[13:21:39] <user890104> yes, you just need the drivers
[13:21:42] <goom> ah ok
[13:22:18] <user890104> then replug the ipod while in dfu mode
[13:22:26] <goom> can i find the 32 bit installer anywhere?
[13:22:29] <goom> it defaults to 64 bit
[13:22:33] <user890104> let me see
[13:23:08] <goom> ah http://filehippo.com/download_itunes_32 has it
[13:23:15] <goom> unless i need it directly from apple
[13:23:49] <goom> i assume winRAR will work for this just like 7zip
[13:23:55] <user890104> i would recommend using apple's website for downloading of applications
[13:24:10] <goom> understandably, but is it even accessable?
[13:24:33] <goom> if the hash matches i have no problem grabbing it from filehippo
[13:25:06] <goom> 0986307658e0ce9e3c84e689735b3a88
[13:25:38] <user890104> can you please wait a bit
[13:26:16] <goom> no worries :)
[13:27:42] <user890104> https://secure-appldnld.apple.com/itunes12/031-18340.20150409.OOmme/iTunesSetup.exe
[13:27:47] <user890104> this should be the 32-bit one
[13:34:43] <goom> ok same hash
[13:34:45] <goom> that's good
[13:36:06] <goom> ok so i need to extract the mobile..exe?
[13:36:12] <user890104> yes
[13:36:29] <goom> err .msi i mean
[13:36:32] <goom> mobieldevicesupport
[13:36:37] <user890104> yes, msi
[13:36:58] <goom> ok what do i grab from that?
[13:37:54] <goom> oh i just install that
[13:37:56] <goom> i see
[13:42:05] <goom> says service failed to start, make sure you have sufficient priv.
[13:42:10] <goom> that shouldn't matter though right?
[13:42:19] <user890104> yes
[13:42:53] <goom> ok good
[13:44:01] <goom> USB\VID_05AC&PID_1223&REV_0001
[13:44:01] <goom>  USB\VID_05AC&PID_1223
[13:44:08] <goom> no mark anymore, is it working now?
[13:44:45] <user890104> it should be
[13:44:52] <goom> alright, thanks for help
[13:44:56] <goom> i'll finish following the guide now
[13:45:09] <goom> really appreciate it :)
[13:45:15] <user890104> ok, tell me if you have any other issues
[13:45:52] <goom> err
[13:45:58] <goom> do i need to kill iPodService.exeas well?
[13:46:07] <goom> that's the only thing apple related i found in task manager
[13:46:14] <user890104> do it just to be sure
[13:46:22] <user890104> but i don't think it's needed
[13:46:35] <goom> alright done
[13:55:57] <user890104> did you install emcore successfully?
[13:56:46] <goom> driver didn't sucessfully install
[13:56:51] <goom> i ran the bootstra
[13:57:42] <user890104> i'll be back in a couple of minutes
[13:57:46] <goom> sure thing
[14:00:57] <goom> This device cannot start. (Code 10)
[14:00:57] <goom> Click 'Check for solutions' to send data about this device to Microsoft and to see if there is a solution available.
[14:20:41] <goom> still around?
[14:21:18] <goom> it says something like ums boot, please copy file and safely eject
[14:21:30] <goom> but i don't see the file in 'my computer' and it has the error in devices
[14:27:56] <goom> user890104, nickflash me if you come back
[15:08:37] <user890104> goom: i'm back
[15:13:07] <goom> hi
[15:13:14] <goom> alright, any ideas?
[15:24:03] <goom> user890104?
[15:30:06] <user890104> device failed to start means that umsboot has probably crashed
[15:30:41] <user890104> please reboot the ipod (menu+select), then enter dfu mode again and start the bootstrap exe
[15:32:14] <goom> ok
[15:33:17] <goom> it wont???
[15:33:36] <goom> i see the apple logo, i keep holding and it won't get into dfu
[15:34:28] <user890104> usb must be plugged in
[15:34:57] <goom> are you sayign that's why or that it needs to be?
[15:34:58] <goom> because it is
[15:35:09] <user890104> that's strange
[15:35:22] <user890104> try locking the hold switch, then unlocking it after a second
[15:35:30] <user890104> then holding down menu+select for 12 seconds
[15:35:46] <goom> err it said installing device again, now showing up like normally would (ipod in my computer)
[15:35:55] <user890104> if usb is plugged in, there's no way it will miss entering dfu
[15:35:56] <goom> i forget, how will i know when it's in dfu?
[15:36:06] <user890104> the screen is completely black
[15:36:09] <goom> k
[15:36:12] <goom> it should be then?
[15:36:23] <goom> run bootstrap again?
[15:36:30] <user890104> if it is black, run bootstrap
[15:36:56] <goom> error the dvice attached is not functioning
[15:37:03] <goom> but it said umsboot has been launched
[15:37:04] <user890104> that's ok
[15:37:08] <goom> ok good
[15:37:15] <goom> device driver software installed successfully
[15:37:31] <goom> oh good 63.9 mb appeared finally
[15:37:35] <goom> it worked this time i believe
[15:38:00] <user890104> it did
[15:38:21] <goom> ok so i want 'installer-ipodclassic.ubi'?
[15:38:39] <user890104> yes
[15:38:44] <goom> not rockbox/bootstrap i assume
[15:40:11] <goom> ok put it on the disc, now eject
[15:40:18] <user890104> yes, just follow the instructions
[15:40:31] <user890104> you made it through the hard part
[15:41:12] <goom> and i assume that all songs/etc will be erased on it?
[15:41:20] <goom> or just the ipod itself?
[15:41:38] <user890104> as soon as you eject the ipod after copying the installer
[15:41:45] <user890104> you will see the installer's screen
[15:41:48] <goom> oh yeah i see it
[15:41:53] <goom> i'm just clarifying
[15:41:59] <user890104> which will warn you if it is going to erase anything
[15:42:05] <goom> yeah ok
[15:42:11] <user890104> it will basicly format your ipod's hard disk
[15:42:20] <goom> sweet
[15:42:47] <goom> windows found new hardware
[15:42:51] <goom> do i ignore or what?
[15:42:59] <user890104> well, install it
[15:43:15] <user890104> or wait... this could be emcore's debugging interface
[15:43:21] <user890104> you don't need this one
[15:43:48] <goom> emcore debugger yeah
[15:43:50] <goom> ill just ignore that then
[15:45:22] <goom> alright so i remember vaguely there was a way to boot directly to rockbox when i turn it on each time?
[15:45:37] <goom> rather than that menu
[15:45:43] <user890104> there is
[15:45:51] <user890104> go to tools - settings
[15:45:55] <user890104> of the boot menu
[15:46:04] <user890104> there's a fastboot option, select rockbox
[15:46:11] <goom> ah thanks so much :)
[15:46:23] <user890104> then go back, and select power off. this will be the last time you see the menu :)
[15:46:47] <goom> and if i want to enable that again?
[15:47:00] <user890104> hold down any button during boot
[15:47:06] <goom> ok good to know
[15:47:26] <goom> 'safely remove' works fine for my ipod now, i assume eject was just for the install?
[15:47:37] <user890104> yes
[15:47:56] <user890104> it's because we can't detect the safely remove action, just the eject one
[15:48:00] <goom> ah
[15:48:06] <user890104> they are different actually...
[15:48:48] <user890104> eject tells the drive to stop, safely remove just makes sure there's no data pending to write on the device
[15:51:25] <goom> ah, before i leave the boot settings, can i adjust backlight brightness anywhere in rockbox itself?
[15:51:47] <user890104> yes
[15:51:54] <user890104> and many more thing
[15:52:01] <goom> good good
[15:52:06] <user890104> like display sleep timeout
[15:52:32] <goom> ok so if 'fastboot action' is when i'm turning it on, what is 'default action'?
[15:52:59] <user890104> which item should be selected initially when you start the ipod
[15:53:12] <user890104> it is purely cosmetic
[15:53:13] <goom> aha
[15:54:43] <goom> err i loaded rockbox, didn't read entire thing, but it said 'no something' installation incomplete
[15:54:52] <goom> is that just because i didn't put songs on it?
[15:55:30] <user890104> no, it is because the installation is not complete
[15:55:43] <goom> oh i'm dumb
[15:55:51] <user890104> keep reading the install instructions until the end :)
[15:55:52] <goom> didn't finish reading, got ahead of myself :P
[15:55:53] <goom> haha
[15:55:59] <goom> got too excited it was finally working
[15:56:01] <goom> thanks again!
[15:56:02] <user890104> there's also the fastboot hint at the end
[15:56:07] <goom> aha
[15:56:28] <goom> so that's where i saw it before
[15:58:20] <goom> last question: now that i have all this installed, if i were to plug it into a computer without any apple drivers installed, i assume it should still be accessible?
[16:06:22] <goom> alright well i'm off, see you! :)
[17:10:32] <user890104> yes, it will be accessible as a regular hard disk, with no apple drivers required
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