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00:03 * TheSeven still doesn't get what that graphic has to do with the ball layout
00:05 < cmwslw> I think there was this meizu forum that posted the pinout to the chip, but it turned out to be a different configuration than the nano2g's
00:12 < Farthen> hmm, in which way is this related to pin layout? i don't get it also
00:13 < Farthen> it looks more like a lights out game than like a pin layout...
00:13 < cmwslw> http://www.meizume.com/rockbox/5797-technical-information-s5l8700x07-sip.html
00:13 < cmwslw> this gives the functions of all pins in a letter-number arrangement
00:14 < cmwslw> the letter being the column and the number being the row
00:14 < cmwslw> I wanted to see if this also corresponded with the nano2g's pinout, but first I needed to make sure the shape was the same, and it wasn't
00:21 * TheSeven *still* doesn't get what the image is supposed to tell
00:22 * Farthen too
00:26 < cmwslw> it should probably be deleted, but here is the arrangement of pins on the actual s5l8701 on the 2g: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/File:S5L8701_bottom_layer_bot_view_2.jpg
00:26 * TheSeven doesn't see the relationship
00:27 < cmwslw> take note of the pattern they make as if the different pins were pixels
00:27 < TheSeven> are the black pixels balls and the white pixels holes or what?
00:27 < TheSeven> this would be a really strange ball grid then
00:27 < cmwslw> well that is the arrangement that the datasheet has
00:28 < cmwslw> or it could be the one described in the forum post, but i think they are the same
00:33 < cmwslw> I'm just going to delete that part
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09:27 < fmibot> New commit by 3benedikt93 (r106): fix libembios.py
09:27 < fmibot> r106 build result: All green!
09:28 < benedik93|AFK> TheSeven, I now don't have any clue anymore why getprocinfo should fail. maybe issue an getinfo packetsize before to see if the command pipe input packetsize is initialized correctly
09:29 < benedik93|AFK> line 855 and following must be the issue
09:30 < benedik93|AFK> but that check at line 862 could only fail if self.cin_maxsize was lower then 16
09:30 < benedik93|AFK> * lower then 17
09:45 < TheSeven>   File "D:\daten\projekte\ipod\fmi\embios\trunk\tools\libembios.py", line 867, in getprocinfo
09:45 < TheSeven>     size = struct.unpack("<I", response[8:])[0]
09:45 < TheSeven> struct.error: unpack requires a string argument of length 4
09:45 < TheSeven> benedik93|AFK: ^
09:47 < benedik93|AFK> did you issue a getinfo packetsize before?
09:48 < benedik93|AFK> if it got at least 12 bytes as response that shouldn't have happened
09:48 < TheSeven> if anybody knows that, it's you... you wrote it
09:49 < TheSeven> hm it actually downloads the table fine, just the output is wrong
09:53 < TheSeven> apparently the if size <= offset + blocklen: branch is never entered
09:57 < fmibot> New commit by 3benedikt93 (r107): fix libembios.py
09:57 < fmibot> r107 build result: All green!
09:57 < benedik93|AFK> it failed one instruction before
10:06 < TheSeven> after a dozen other fixes:
10:06 < TheSeven>   File "D:\daten\projekte\ipod\fmi\embios\trunk\tools\libembios.py", line 828, in procinfotostring
10:06 < TheSeven>     processinfoprint += "state: %s      " %                 (states[int(procinfolist[ptr]['state'])])
10:06 < TheSeven> IndexError: cannot fit 'long' into an index-sized integer
10:09 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r108): Fix some more bugs in libembios.py, it's still not working though
10:09 < fmibot> r108 build result: All green!
10:14 < benedik93|AFK> that casting to an int shouldn't be necesarry
10:18 < TheSeven> it was a try to prevent that crash, but it didn't work :)
10:23 < benedik93|AFK> was the error a different one without the cast?
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10:39 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r109): Simplify syscallwrappers.h
10:40 < fmibot> r109 build result: All green!
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10:54 < angelwolf71885> hey theseven hows the emBIOS builds going? i see you have been quite busy churning out changes :D
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11:09 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r110): Move the API header files to embios/trunk/export
11:09 < fmibot> r110 build result: All green!
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12:52 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r111): Implement the most important part of the syscall interface
12:52 < fmibot> r111 build result: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano4g
13:11 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r112): Fix some reds
13:11 < fmibot> r112 build result: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano4g
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13:26 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r113): Fix even more red
13:26 < fmibot> r113 build result: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano4g
13:31 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r114): Hopefully fix the remaining red
13:31 < fmibot> r114 build result: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano4g
13:32 < TheSeven> ok, who wants to start writing apps?
13:33 < TheSeven> things still missing:
13:33 < TheSeven> - backlight
13:33 < TheSeven> - clickwheel
13:33 < TheSeven> - aes
13:33 < TheSeven> - sha1
13:33 < TheSeven> - a way to unmount/remount the partitions and ftl
13:34 < TheSeven> anything else?
13:35 < TheSeven> - a way to figure out if/why mounting the ftl failed on boot
13:40 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r115): Now this should really be the last one...
13:40 < fmibot> r115 build result: All green!
13:43 < angelwolf71885> your talk about the nano 2G build right?
13:43 < angelwolf71885> dose the 2G have some sort of video prosser like the 3G and beyiond?
13:48 < angelwolf71885> so basicly emBIOS is in that unstable ready for beta testing stage?
13:48 < TheSeven> yes, applications can be executed and the most important syscalls are available
13:48 < TheSeven> it should work on both the 2g and 4g, but only the 2g has file i/o yet
13:49 < angelwolf71885> ah ok i see.. thanks for the clirificashion..
13:51 < angelwolf71885> well that makes me wonder.. what sort of apps would be useful for emBIOS i mean i can only think of two apps that anyone would want to load 
13:51 < angelwolf71885> rockbox and ipod linux
13:52 < Farthen> well, i can think of many apps for emBIOS and rockbox and ipodlinux are the only ones that don't fit here :-P
13:53 < angelwolf71885> i guess im thinking to small then lol
13:53 < angelwolf71885> well could you give me an example of an app please?
13:54 < TheSeven> iloader, nandfsck, the iloader installer/uninstaller
13:54 < angelwolf71885> i thought emBIOS was supposed to be an iloader replacement?
13:54 < TheSeven> not embios itself
13:54 < angelwolf71885> or is emBIOS just the API /driver layer
13:55 < TheSeven> it's the os those things will be based on
13:55 < TheSeven> so iloader will basically only be a gui
13:55 < angelwolf71885> ok that makes more sence then.. its the core the kernial 
13:58 < angelwolf71885> would a diagnostic test simmalar to the one found on the utility flash be a good app for emBIOS?
13:58 < TheSeven> i don't think so, we'll probably just stay with apple's
14:00 < angelwolf71885> ok.. so emBIOS is just gunna be run from the flash correct?
14:00 < TheSeven> yes
14:00 < angelwolf71885> ok then
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17:37 * TheSeven wonders why nobody complains about the 4g build being broken
19:13 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r116): Fix a bunch of bugs
19:14 < fmibot> r116 build result: All green!
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19:44 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r117): Add backlight driver
19:44 < fmibot> r117 build result: All green!
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19:58 < DeLiri0us> Hi
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20:26 < fmibot> New commit by 3theseven (r118): Add get_platform_id() syscall
20:26 < fmibot> r118 build result: All green!
20:26 < TheSeven> hm, what next?
20:27 < Dreamxtreme> a beer
20:28 < Dreamxtreme> lol soz
20:29 < cmwslw> is iloader ready to port now?
20:30 < TheSeven> hm, the clickwheel driver is still missing
20:31 < TheSeven> who wants to write one? :P
20:31 < cmwslw> it uses spi right? i want to try to get the clickwheel working on the 4g
20:31 < TheSeven> afaik it's using something proprietary
20:31 < cmwslw> problem is Idk how to work spi on the 4g
20:31 < cmwslw> correction: whatever protocol they use
20:31 < TheSeven> on the 4g i have only found some bitbanging code that seemed to be accessing it until now
20:32 < TheSeven> i'm not sure if that's the only way, or if they are using something better in the main firmware
20:32 < cmwslw> does it look different than the 2g method?
20:33 < TheSeven> the data transmitted looks similar, the way it's transmitted completely different
20:33 < TheSeven> the clickwheel protocol doesn't seem to have changed since the early ipods
20:34 < cmwslw> why would they be reading the clickwheel in the bootrom anyways
20:34 < TheSeven> not in the bootrom, but in the second stage bootloader, to decide whether to go to diag/diskmode or not
20:35 < TheSeven> and diagmode itself is probably sharing the driver (an efi module) with the bootloader
20:36 < cmwslw> well how do i get this second stage bootloader? I want to look at the code
20:36 < TheSeven> do you have the decompressed efi volumes?
20:37 < cmwslw> nope, only a bootrom dump i made
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