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05:35 < jerl92> embios v0.1.3 r221 waiting for usb commands
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18:59 < user890104> TheSeven: is it possible to boot the apple's firmware with iloader on an nano 2g from the firmware partition instead of using appleos.bin in the data partition?
19:00 < TheSeven> not directly
19:01 < TheSeven> you could write a small embios app to do it, and execute that
19:01 < TheSeven> most of the code could probably be cherrypicked from the rockbox bootloader
19:02 < TheSeven> do you just want to keep the firmware partition for compatibility with itunes and don't want to waste the space for a second copy of the firmware, or is there another reason why you want to do this?
19:03 < user890104> the first one completely explains the reason i'm asking :)
19:04 < user890104> actually, i didn't remove the first partition so itunes isn't complaining
19:04 < user890104> but i'm wondering how to use the data inside it for what it's meant to be used
19:15 < TheSeven> you could extend iloader to add firmware partition reading and decryption functions
19:15 < TheSeven> or you could do it through a wrapper app
19:15 < TheSeven> but it won't work out of the box
19:16 < TheSeven> but, on the other hand, do you really care about those 3 megabytes of space, if you can afford to waste 90MB or something for the firmware partition?
19:18 < user890104> it's not about the space, more about the fact that i need to keep the file in the data partition
19:19 < user890104> but i also need the iloader folder.. so... no way to avoid keeping "system" files there
19:21 < TheSeven> you could change the structure of that of course
19:21 < TheSeven> you could even hide it inside .rockbox :)
19:21 < TheSeven> and you could move everything besides the apple firmware (which is too big) to the boot flash
19:21 < Farthen> you could put it on the firmware partition, too
19:22 < Farthen> or you could make a tethered boot and just leave everything out except for your music :-P
19:22 < TheSeven> Farthen: that would a) require iLoader being able to access the firmware partition and b) would break compatibility with itunes
19:24 < user890104> how does itunes check if the firmware partition is damaged? reads it all or just the beginning sector/some bytes? if we can fool it not to check the area after the apple's firmware on the firmware partition, we could possibly use the remaining space to create a FAT partition for all the firmware/loader/appleos stuff
19:25 < Farthen> you want to create a second filesystem in one partition?
19:26 < user890104> so the ipod will act like a flash drive with some music on it and can be freely formated. Farthen: yep, something like that
19:26 < Farthen> sounds pretty weird to me
19:27 < user890104> yes, i like all weird things
19:27 < TheSeven> i don't know what exactly it's doing
19:27 < TheSeven> i just know that it didn't accept my modified firmware partition which booted just fine (using the apple bootloader)
19:28 < user890104> is there some way to spy it? like the firmware update process on the nano 4g which you explained in the wiki
19:28 < TheSeven> but i guess it won't check much more than the firmware partition's directory
19:29 < TheSeven> but allowing to access a hidden partition would mean major modifications to embios/iloader
19:29 * Farthen does not see the reason to do it
19:29 < TheSeven> user890104: if you con'
19:30 < TheSeven> don't care about the space, the easiest way will probably to move appleos.ucl to .rockbox
19:30 < TheSeven> and move everything else to the boot flash
19:31 < user890104> so the iloader will read the configs from nor, not from nand?
19:32 < TheSeven> if it doesn't find one on the nand, it will use one from the nor
19:32 < TheSeven> which, by default, contains the "no theme found, do you want to uninstall blah blah" theme :)
19:35 < user890104> what is the structure of the nor flash, is it simmilar to the layout of the firmware (can be extracted with extract2g)?
19:35 < user890104> i mean the default one, apple's bootloader
19:36 < TheSeven> nope
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23:02 < jerl92> theseven??
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23:10 < TheSeven> user890104: why do you need the nor contents?
23:19 < jerl92> so your there thesevent
23:22 * TheSeven goes to sleep
23:22 < jerl92> im so near to solvde my problem
23:23 < TheSeven> first of all, I'm really tired and will probably provide more wrong than right instructions
23:24 < TheSeven> secondly, why didn't you also solve it? the last message you left here suggested that you had actually succeeded
23:24 < TheSeven> and third, you're in the wrong channel again...
23:26 < jerl92> see you a anther day 
23:27 < TheSeven> if you would just have executed the commands i told you, everything should be fine
23:27 < TheSeven> once again:
23:27 < TheSeven> boot ibugger, and run the following
23:27 < jerl92> yes but when i reboot norloader reload
23:27 < TheSeven> ibugger.py startup && ibugger.py upload 08000000 installer-* && ibugger.py execute 08000000 0a000000
23:28 < jerl92> i can uplader and execute embios on server build but after a reboot it will boot with norloader 0.0.1
23:28 < TheSeven> server build?
23:29 < jerl92> builds.freemynano.org
23:29 < jerl92> builds.freemyipod.org
23:30 < TheSeven> what the *hell* are you doing?
23:30 < TheSeven> if you don't follow my instructions, i just can't help you.
23:31 < jerl92> so with installer*.bin i need to use
23:31 < jerl92> witch
23:31 < TheSeven> the iloader updater of course -.-
23:31 < jerl92> ipodnano2g-installer0.2.1-iloader0.2.2-uninstaller0.2.0-embios0.1.3-embiosldr0.1.1-20101009-r220.bin
23:31 < TheSeven> exactly
23:31 < TheSeven> see http://theseven.freemyipod.org/ipod/iloader/updating.php
23:32 < TheSeven> and that's what i meant when i said i'm too tired
23:32 < TheSeven> it should of course be ipodnano2g-installer* and not just installer-*
23:32 < jerl92> ok
23:34 < jerl92> white screen 
23:35 < TheSeven> any text on it?
23:35 < jerl92> no
23:35 < jerl92> reboot and norloader 0.0.1
23:38 < TheSeven> hm, you said you can successfully boot an embios binary from the build server?
23:38 < TheSeven> if yes, try just flashing the apple bootloader directly
23:38 < jerl92> yes with uploade and execut command
23:38 < TheSeven> embios.py uploadfile 08000000 norflash.bak
23:39 < TheSeven> embios.py writebootflash 24000000 08000000 8000
23:39 < TheSeven> embios.py writebootflash 24008000 08008000 8000
23:39 < TheSeven> embios.py writebootflash 24010000 08010000 8000
23:39 < TheSeven> embios.py writebootflash 24018000 08018000 8000
23:40 < TheSeven> and so on, until f8
23:40 < TheSeven> and under no circumstances reboot your ipod during the process!
23:40 < TheSeven> hmm
23:40 < TheSeven> actually, corrupting the boot flash might be way to go
23:41 < jerl92> ok
23:41 < TheSeven> or, wait
23:41 < TheSeven> ibugger.py startup
23:41 < TheSeven> wait for two seconds
23:42 < TheSeven> ibugger.py upload 08000000 embios-ipodnano2g-r220.bin
23:42 < TheSeven> ibugger.py execute 08000000 0a000000
23:42 < TheSeven> wait another few seconds
23:42 < TheSeven> embios.py uploadfile 08000000 ipodnano2g-installer*
23:42 < TheSeven> embios.py execfirmware 08000000
23:43 < TheSeven> that might be the easiest way
23:44 < jerl92> on my ipod ''embiios v0.1.3 wating for usb commands'' on cmd ''ERROR:np embios device found
23:45 < jerl92> no embios device found
23:45 < TheSeven> which os?
23:45 < TheSeven> driver installed?
23:45 < jerl92> windows 7 rtm 7600 64bit
23:46 < jerl92> embios driver no ibugger driver yes
23:46 < TheSeven> you'll of course have to install the driver then
23:47 < jerl92> where are the driver for embios
23:47 < TheSeven> also libusb of course
23:47 < TheSeven> like the ibugger driver
23:47 < jerl92> ok
23:48 < jerl92> but where i can find embois driver
23:49 < TheSeven> as i said, both the embios and ibugger drivers are libusb
23:49 < TheSeven> so you'll just have to use the *same* driver
23:50 < TheSeven> possibly with some added device ids
23:52 < TheSeven> and btw, we're still spamming the logs of the wrong channel
23:52 < jerl92> btw is working :D
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23:53 < TheSeven> is it really that hard to understand?
23:53 < jerl92> no
23:54 < TheSeven> why are we still here then?
23:54 * Farthen also notes that a new guid has to be generated for the new driver inf
23:54 * TheSeven notes that it always worked without that
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