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12:38 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r411): S5L8702: Adjust tick timer prescaler (still not 100% accurate, but much closer than before)
12:38 < fmibot> r411 build result: All green!
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14:28 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r412): embios.py: Fix a silly bug in usage()
14:28 < fmibot> r412 build result: All green!
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14:45 < XQYZ> Hi, I flashed my ipod using the bootstrap thing and the python installer from linux
14:46 < XQYZ> following the steps on-screen it flashed the firmware, but now the screen is just bright white
14:46 < XQYZ> and nothing happens anymore
14:46 < XQYZ> this is on an ipod classic 1G w/ 80G
14:53 < XQYZ> nm it wasn't resetable for a while, but i now managed it
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15:17 < TheSeven> interesting, someone has reported something similar before, but it doesn't happen on mine
15:17 < TheSeven> it seems to get stuck during shutdown
15:18 < TheSeven> maybe an issue with some specific LCD or hard drive
15:22 < XQYZ> if you need any info or debug stuff just shout
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15:33 < TheSeven> XQYZ: can you update rockbox and check what your LCD type is?
15:33 < TheSeven> also, do you experience similar corruption to the photo on the wiki page?
15:33 < XQYZ> yes i do
15:34 < TheSeven> you can always download the latest rockbox build at http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodclassic.zip
15:34 < XQYZ> k hold on
15:34 < TheSeven> Go to System => Debug => View HW info
15:35 < TheSeven> my lcd type is 1, yours is probably different
15:37 < XQYZ> screen is still corruped with the update, lcd type is 3
15:38 < TheSeven> does the screen suffer from similar corruption in iloader as well? or is it just the rockbox driver?
15:38 < XQYZ> iloader looks fine except that the selected item's foreground color looks a bit off
15:38 < XQYZ> not sure if thats on purpose
15:38 < XQYZ> i'll do a photo
15:40 < TheSeven> so there's no horizontal shift?
15:40 < TheSeven> it should look like this: http://www.freemyipod.org/w/images/5/5a/Iloader_ipc.jpg
15:40 < XQYZ> you really cant capture it all too well
15:40 < XQYZ> yeah looking at that
15:41 < XQYZ> the font on "Rockbox" is blueish on mine
15:41 < XQYZ> and in the upper part violet
15:41 < XQYZ> plus the ipod on the left is green
15:42 < XQYZ> the inside of the earpiece on its left is violet also
15:42 < XQYZ> and iloader has a greenish tilt as-well
15:43 < user890104> on my nano 2g, the "more options" menu has changed since the color conversion function was added (for compat. with the classics) - now the selected item's foreground color is not yellow, but some kind of blueish/purple
15:43 < XQYZ> that's what i have
15:44 < TheSeven> user890104: that's a theme bug
15:44 < TheSeven> IIRC it's already fixed in SVN but not released yet
15:45 < user890104> thanks, i'll build the most recent version
15:45 < TheSeven> i know that the newer lcds are a bit more greenish, but this seems like yours gets set up in a totally wrong way
15:51 < XQYZ> here, sorry took quite a bit with the crappy camera (quality still sucks): http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3681/53778311.jpg
15:55 < TheSeven> I added another picture to http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation
16:07 < user890104> TheSeven: have you noticed that in nano 2g's NOR there are two copies of the apple's boot logo (named logo and logoflsh)
16:07 < TheSeven> yeah
16:07 < user890104> do you know which one is used during boot, and where it is positioned (exactly in means of x,y)
16:08 < user890104> i have extracted and converted it to bitmap, and would like to use it as a splash when booting OF from iloader
16:09 < TheSeven> i think it's just centered
16:09 < TheSeven> and they are identical, so i don't really care about which one is used :)
16:09 < TheSeven> IIRC it was the flsh one, but I only very vaguely remember
16:09 < [Saint]> I've got all the Nano1 and 2g bitmaps floating around somewhere from my work with the iLike theme...if you're interested.
16:10 < [Saint]> I haven't looked into dumping the OF images from the Classic, yet.
16:10 < user890104> [Saint]: i'd be happy if you could email them to user89@gmail.com
16:11 < user890104> after you find them
16:12 < [Saint]> Will do, I need to run out for a while on a real life interrupt...I will email them shortly.
16:12 < user890104> ok, thanks a lot
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16:13 < user890104> does anyone know a tool that can read the RSRC part of nano 4g's OF
16:14 < user890104> i wonder what they put in these ~80 MB
16:15 < asmmonkey> where is the diagnostic mode stored?
16:16 < asmmonkey> in the NOR or in the FW?
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16:18 < Farthen> user890104: nike+ for example. and the huge osos. and some free space ;)
16:19 < Farthen> user890104: ah, you mean only the rsrc. well, osos does not belong in there but all images and this stuff
16:20 < user890104> yep, that's why i'd like to extract them somehow
16:20 < user890104> but still don't know how
16:21 < user890104> and i'm wondering if all graphics are contained there, or just those used by the accessories
16:22 < Farthen> check out the ipodwizard sources at http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipodwizard/files/
16:23 < [Saint]> IIUC, some things like docks/some car head-units etc. can pass images to the iPod.
16:23 < Farthen> IIRC you only need to change a few things to make it read the rsrc
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16:24 < Farthen> [Saint]: really? what kind of images?
16:24 < [Saint]> Vendor logos, etc.
16:25 < Farthen> i didn't know that before. but on the other hand i never plugged my ipod into one of these car docks either ;)
16:25 < [Saint]> I was pretty surprised the first time I saw "//Alpine" appear on my Nano2G when I plugged it in the car ;)
16:26 < [Saint]> It only seems to be the really "fancy" accessories that do this.
16:26 < [Saint]> Oh...actually...some FM senders/recievers can also post an image to the screen.
16:26 < [Saint]> must be some magic in the accessory protocal.
16:27 < [Saint]> *protocol
16:27 < Farthen> yeah, this protocol is pretty complex and has mighty features ;)
16:28 < [Saint]> Apple, overengineering? Never! o_0
16:30  * Farthen would give a lot to be one day in apples engineering basement where all those ipod guys are sitting xD
16:31 < [Saint]> Nah...we just need one of them, and a blow-torch....he'll talk eventually. :P
16:32 < TheSeven> Farthen, user890104: rsrc is a fat16 file system image :)
16:32 < Farthen> oh, cool, didn't know that before
16:33 < Farthen> at some point someone needs to write a software that does this: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Nano4G_firmware_upgrade_process ;)
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16:35 < user890104> TheSeven: thanks for the information, it would be really useful to me
16:36 < user890104> i am looking at some FUSE docs at the moment, and i think i could write a FUSE wrapper for accessing the NAND data via embios
16:37 < user890104> so one can mount his ipod and manage the files
16:37 < TheSeven> via which protocol?
16:38 < TheSeven> the sector access or file system API?
16:38 < [Saint]> If uh....someone happens to stumble upon the Classic's OF images in the next few days...well, nudge-nudge, wink-wink.
16:38 < user890104> the file system
16:38 < [Saint]> I haven't had the time to look into it yet.
16:38 < Farthen> if we continue with this we will become competitors of rockbox xD
16:39 < TheSeven> why?
16:40 < TheSeven> i still think that rockbox and embios are fairly different things, each of which has its advantages
16:40 < TheSeven> user890104: keep in mind that you can only have a few open file handles at a time
16:41 < Farthen> but embios is more and more evolving into something that may in future be comparable to rockbox
16:41  * [Saint] doesn't quite see how.
16:41 < TheSeven> 32 file and 16 directory handles to be exact
16:42 < Farthen> well, now it is starting to get a usb mass storage interface
16:42 < TheSeven> not really...
16:42 < gevaerts> As soon as embios has playlist management, we'll talk :)
16:42 < Farthen> xD
16:43 < TheSeven> the advantage of what user890104 is planning to do is that you have concurrent access to the FS from both the device and the PC
16:43 < Farthen> so how is this supposed to work?
16:44 < TheSeven> Farthen: using the new undocumented file system access APIs
16:44  * Farthen is wondering why these are undocumented :-P
16:45  * TheSeven thinks Farthen knows why
16:45  * Farthen thinks that the one who implemented it should also document it
16:45 < TheSeven> gevaerts: actually i think embios is something that has ipodlinux's goals and rockbox's architecture :)
16:46  * TheSeven thinks the one who wrote libembios should write the pc-side parts of it :P
16:46 < gevaerts> TheSeven: yes, the way I perceive it your goal (with embios) is to have an easy platform to play with things and do fun stuff, while rockbox wants to play audio
16:47 < gevaerts> rockbox is boring :)
16:47 < [Saint]> *and* run useless plugins...don't forget the useless plugins!
16:47 < gevaerts> What useless plugins?
16:48  * Farthen doesn't have an ipod with a working storage so he thinks that first the one who has the most experience in this should reverse engineer the storage of his ipod before he starts to implement stuff blindly
16:48  * [Saint] decides not to get into it, as gevaerts is bound to have a different definition of useful ;)
16:48 < TheSeven> my main goal for embios is to allow for easy debugging, but also standalone operation, while keeping the porting effort to a minimum
16:49 < TheSeven> embios can live with only a timer driver, and USB if you want it to do anything useful :)
16:50 < TheSeven> and you can basically implement drivers in userspace for easy testing before they're stable
16:50  * Farthen still thinks that this flexibility does not forbid complex applications like music players :-P
16:51 < TheSeven> yes, of course, but you have to pay its price in terms of overhead
16:51 < gevaerts> Farthen: it probably doesn't, but that doesn't mean embios is getting close to that
16:51 < TheSeven> feel free to port RaaA to emBIOS :)
16:53  * TheSeven suspects that Farthen doesn't even want to use his ipod as a DAP
16:54  * Farthen doesn't even want his ipod to run a custom firmware because he is totally fine with the osos
16:54 < Farthen> just sayin', not wanting to implement it xD
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20:33 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r413): Installer for iPod Nano2G boot stub: Revert r360, it was indeed broken.
20:33 < fmibot> r413 build result: All green!
20:42 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r414): Installer for iPod Nano2G: Revert r333, those colors were already correct.
20:42 < fmibot> r414 build result: All green!
20:45 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r415): emBIOS: The iPod Nano 2G AES core doesn't seem to like sleeping, no idea why. Work around it.
20:45 < fmibot> r415 build result: All green!
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