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00:01 < user890104> [Saint]: http://212.233.239.19:8989/~venci/freemyipod/installer-nano2g.bin it should be safe to use this one, i've just tested it
00:02 < user890104> if you browse the folders, you could find other binaries that i have compiled from SVN head
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08:36  * [Saint] wonders about the maximum ammount of list items present in iLoader/emBIOS
08:36 < [Saint]> re: Menu layout
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09:32 < TheSeven> limited by screen size :)
09:32 < TheSeven> and theme size, but the config file may be up to 64KB IIRC
09:39 < [Saint]> will the screen/menu scroll for long lists?
09:40 < [Saint]> that's what I'm thinking about...how many bitmaps canI fit per list...or will it just scroll to fit.
09:40 < TheSeven> no, it can't do that (yet)
09:41 < [Saint]> Ah....yeah. I was wondering how to handle that. So I need to be careful that every menu will actually fit on the screen.
09:41 < [Saint]> shit.
09:43 < TheSeven> iloader doesn't do the menu arrangement at all
09:44 < TheSeven> you just provide the top left coordinates of each element, so you can position them freely
09:44 < TheSeven> i should really go for a postscript-based theming system
09:45 < [Saint]> Yeah..I understand I can position them freely...what I mean is I just assumed the lists would scroll, and made the bitmaps too big.
09:45 < [Saint]> I guess I could make some fancy arrangement that made it *look* like it was scrolling
09:46 < [Saint]> by bumping items up/down the list depending on selection though.
09:46 < [Saint]> that could be done, yes?
09:47 < [Saint]> I assume I also need a selected/non selected bitmap for each list item also?
10:02 < TheSeven> nope
10:02 < TheSeven> only a selected one currently
10:02 < TheSeven> the nonselected one is included in the backdrop
10:05 < TheSeven> where do you want to take all the options from anyway?
10:10 < [Saint]> I'm not sure what you mean.
10:10  * TheSeven can' think of more than about six options
10:12 < [Saint]> Oh...right. I was kinda thinking about if the menu items exceeded what couls fit on the screen.
10:12 < [Saint]> but if the maximun per list/sublist is 6 currently...that should never happen. Evevn on the Nanos small screen.
10:25 < TheSeven> i can't think of more options :)
10:25 < TheSeven> one or two rockbox builds, umsboot, diskmode, fallback menu, power off
10:26 < TheSeven> maybe diagmode
10:28 < TheSeven> if you want all those funky animation and widget things, you'll probably want to write your theme in C :)
10:28 < TheSeven> or rather me writing the code and you having the ideas and making the graphics
10:31 < [Saint]> I would really like to continue the look of the noteboot installer
10:31 < [Saint]> I really like the way that looked.
10:31 < [Saint]> but kinda...fancy it up a little.
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10:56 < TheSeven> [Saint]: what kind of features would you need?
10:56 < TheSeven> if we do it on the C side of things, we can do basically everything the hardware can do :)
10:56 < [Saint]> I should in theory be able to do it all with the current implementation.
10:57 < TheSeven> i'm not sure about that
10:57 < TheSeven> you basically can't do the widget stuff you were planning currently in reasonable way
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11:32 < user890104> [Saint]: do you still need an installer build? my "build server" was down this night, it's working now
11:32 < [Saint]> yes please.
11:34 < user890104> just a second to check if everything's ok here
11:36 < user890104> everything but the embiosldr and the uninstaller is in color-inverted fashion
11:36 < [Saint]> awesome.
11:38 < user890104> damn .. white screen again
11:45 < user890104> the second tiime it flashed successfully, so the build looks good
11:45 < user890104> http://212.233.239.19:8989/~venci/freemyipod/iloader/
11:46 < user890104> if you need another file from the svn build, let me know and i will symlink it
11:49 < user890104> TheSeven: when you are around and have some free time, could you please check if reinstalling the same build a couple of times over the previous, causes the NOR to be flashed incorrectly for you, or it's some weirdness of my iPod (or maybe has something to do with my builds)?
11:50 < TheSeven> i've never had a flashing fail on my ipod since the initial release, but i haven't flashed it often recently
11:50 < TheSeven> but i don't think there were any recent changes that could have affected flashing stability
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12:11 < user890104> the next time it happens, i'll download the NOR flash contents to a file
12:34 < [Saint]> TheSeven: Do you have mod rights in the RB forum?
12:34 < [Saint]> the "unstable" in the topic you replied to is bothering me.
12:35 < TheSeven> hm, i think it almost meets unstable criteria by now
12:35 < [Saint]> doesn't it need a "propper" installer?
12:36 < gevaerts> It doesn't need rbutil integration if that's what you mean
12:36 < [Saint]> iiuc, it's technically "unusable"
12:37 < TheSeven> that's why i said *almost*
12:37 < [Saint]> though, *exactly* what constitutes unstable has been debated before now.
12:38 < TheSeven> i wouldn't bother too much about that thread title. i don't call it unstable myself, but if other people do it...
12:38 < [Saint]> It just seems weird for the topic to say it's unstable, and have it appear in the unusable section in the main page
12:39 < [Saint]> direct contradictions like that would be nice to fix.
12:39 < [Saint]> (I realise the poster was just "John Random" though)
12:56 < user890104> when is the "Fallback menu" (that can be accessed from "more options") supposed to show up? if there's no config file, it's reading ildrcfg from NOR flash IIUC
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13:57 < AndroUser2> TheSeven, not sure if you got my message yesterday but I can test the 1g 160gb classic tomorrow night.
13:59 < [Saint]> user890104: IIUC, the fallback menu is supposed to shouw up if a theme/iLoader directory can't be located.
13:59 < [Saint]> *show
13:59 < [Saint]> (example, during the uninstallation process)
14:00 < user890104> [Saint]: thanks for the information
14:00 < [Saint]> np
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14:29  * user890104 made a nice set of iLoader themes, based on the default one :)
14:29 < user890104> http://212.233.239.19:8989/~venci/freemyipod/iloader-themes/
14:31 < user890104> here's a legend to the filenames:
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14:32 < user890104> fastboot: boots RB ASAP, fastapple: boots OF ASAP, black: inverted colors, blackapple: inverted colors + genuine apple logo during OF boot
14:42 < TheSeven> user890104: the fallback menu shows up if something fails in an unrecoverable way
14:42 < user890104> so jmp(0xffffffff) maps to this menu?
14:43 < TheSeven> that is either if there is no config file at all (neither on the data partition nor on the boot flash), or if the theme contains unknown opcodes, or if something jumps to an out-of-bounds address
14:43 < TheSeven> the ildrcfg from flash (the uninstallation menu) shows up if there is no theme on the data flash. unlike the fallback menu it's "just" a regular theme
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