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00:14 < kisak> wolftail wasn't able to reset his ipod to get out of DFU mode? how strange
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03:38 < feng> anyboy can help me? thx
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04:32 < feng> anybody
04:33 < feng> recovery my ipod classic by umsboot
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04:58 < feng> hi
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07:19 < TheSeven> kisak: yes, if there's an apple WTF running on it, it somehow manages to prevent resetting, no idea how
07:20 < TheSeven> your only option in that case is to upload a second-stage apple recovery image (which will boot disk mode) and then reset it
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10:15 < STeeF> TheSeven, whats the status of the 160GB 1gen CE-ATA driver? What needs to be done, how can I help; I have some c programming (mostly POSIX) knowledge but no ASM.
10:30 < TheSeven> STeeF: reverse-engineer apple's driver and build one yourself
10:30 < TheSeven> i already tried to do that for the lowlevel part but apparently failed, i must have missed something
10:31 < TheSeven> maybe it's as trivial as a bug in my clock or gpio settings
10:31 < STeeF> where is your ceatatest source-code?
10:32 < TheSeven> basically that: http://pastie.org/1441402
10:32 < TheSeven> main.c just calls hdd_init()
10:34 < TheSeven> oh, and i added some more gpio accesses
10:34 < TheSeven> i'll zip the whole thing up and upload it
10:34 < ParadisoShlee> Do you own a G1 ceata? those things seem to be rare in this channel :)
10:35 < STeeF> I own a classic 1G 160 GB
10:36 < TheSeven> STeeF: out of curiosity: have you tried what happens if you just run the current installer on a ce-ata ipod?
10:36 < TheSeven> it should fail rather early, but i'd like to know how gracefully
10:36 < STeeF> ipoddfu shows dots
10:37 < STeeF> and keeps waiting for ever it seems
10:37 < STeeF> untill CTRL-C
10:37 < STeeF> or disconnect
10:37 < STeeF> no screen on ipod it self
10:37 < TheSeven> hm, at that stage ce-ata shouldn't matter yet
10:37 < TheSeven> you uploaded bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu?
10:38 < STeeF> yep
10:38 < TheSeven> i would expect that to work no matter if it's a ceata ipod or not
10:38 < STeeF> that worked
10:38 < TheSeven> it doesn't try to access the disk at all
10:39 < TheSeven> sourcecode: http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/ceatatest.7z
10:39 < TheSeven> extract that to /apps/ceatatest and svn add that folder
10:39 < TheSeven> then just run make
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11:04 < STeeF> thanks very much, will try that this afternoon.
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15:34 < STeeF> how do I create an ubi image? or dfu combining embios and an application?
15:34  * STeeF is confused by all the ubi, ucl and dfu extensions
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15:52 < TheSeven> STeeF: ubi = self-contained image that runs from 0x08000000, usually embios with an app piggybacked to it
15:52 < TheSeven> ucl = compressed
15:52 < TheSeven> dfu = exploit carrying a payload that runs from 0x22000050
15:53 < TheSeven> so to build the dfu file, run the following:
15:53 < TheSeven> make
15:53 < STeeF> so .bin == ubi?
15:53 < TheSeven> sometimes yes
15:53 < TheSeven> embiosembedapp --compressed --run-from=0x08000000 ../../embios/trunk/build/ipodclassic/embios.bin build/ceatatest.embiosapp.ucl ceatatest.ubi
15:54 < TheSeven> ../installer-classic/tools/stubembed.py ../installer-classic/build/bootstub.bin ceatatest.ubi ceatatest.bin
15:54 < TheSeven> ipodcrypt s5l8702-genpwnage ceatatest.bin ceatatest.dfu
15:54 < TheSeven> the last line needs a connected ipod running embios
15:55 < TheSeven> please note that booting through DFU will only work for payloads up to ~127K
15:55 < STeeF> that's why the bootstrap dfu
15:55 < STeeF> :)
15:56 < TheSeven> yeah, that one catches both problems
15:56 < TheSeven> it doesn't need to be recompiled, and allows for up to 64MB
15:56 < STeeF> nice
15:57 < STeeF> the development cycle will be; start the bootstrap; upload embios and from start running your own code...
15:58 < TheSeven> and it allows for an easy (and thus end-user friendly) way of uploading: usb mass storage
15:58 < TheSeven> usually yes
15:59 < STeeF> thanks this part of the puzzle was still unclear for me, thanks for pointing that out
15:59 < TheSeven> if you don't need your ipod as a media player currently i would recommend just flashing embios :)
15:59 < STeeF> I use my ipod as primary music device at work.....
16:00 < TheSeven> ok, then you should probably stick to DFU-based booting for playing around
16:01 < STeeF> I far as I understand a simple reset (MENU+SELECT) will always give the possibility to rescue the ipod..
16:01 < TheSeven> flash-based is way more comfortable of course
16:01 < STeeF> thats true
16:02 < TheSeven> if you don't flash anything and only boot through DFU, resetting will boot the apple firmware
16:02 < TheSeven> if you flash something bad, you can still recover using DFU
16:02 < STeeF> Thats real cool!
16:03 < ParadisoShlee> Does the ipod use a similar exploit to the iphone jailbreak?
16:03 < ParadisoShlee> or a new one?
16:03 < TheSeven> our ipod classic hack uses the pwnage 2.0 exploit, which originates from an ipod touch IIRC
16:04 < TheSeven> http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pwnage_2.0
16:04 < STeeF> and of course: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Pwnage_2.0
16:04 < TheSeven> not really much documentation though :(
16:06 < ParadisoShlee> http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=S5L8720 :)
16:07 < ParadisoShlee> that planetbeing, what a guy.
16:08 < TheSeven> that's true
16:08 < TheSeven> i probably wouldn't have managed to use this exploit without his help
16:13 < TheSeven> however my version of it is probably the first one that can't be accused of containing (potentially copyrighted) data from apple binaries
16:24 < Kuitsi>  /away jossain
16:24 < Kuitsi> oops :P
16:40 < STeeF> TheSeven: thanks to your instruction I'm able to build and run my own ceatatest. I'll see if I can make some progress
16:41 < STeeF> the latests: http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2316/img20110111173416.jpg
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16:52 < TheSeven> STeeF: you can either use one ceatatest image to compile the next, or just always boot plain embios and run ceatatest through the monitor interface with
16:52 < TheSeven> make && sudo python embios.py run build/ceatatest.embiosapp
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19:48 < stephen__> TheSeven, now STeeF is working on the160gb 1g you don't need me to test anything ?
19:49 < TheSeven> i don't have anything new anyway
19:49 < TheSeven> won't have much time before the weekend
19:52 < stephen__> cool.
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20:33 < benedikt93> Anybody with admin wiki access: there's still a now dead link to "Bootstrapping sequence" on the main page and in the sidebar
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20:39 < TheSeven> benedikt93: oops, fixed
20:54 < benedikt93> TheSeven, you are being offered to have an iPod Classic 1G 160GB send to you :)
20:55 < benedikt93> -> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Talk:IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation#First-generation_160GB_model
20:55 < TheSeven> i already emailed that guy
20:56 < TheSeven> from where he lives both shipping and customs duties are insane
21:13 < GaveUp> where are you?  I might consider donating my one with a busted play button once I have a replacement...if it'd be of any use
21:14 < benedikt93> I think most people more active here are from middle europe, including TheSeven
21:15 < TheSeven> yep
21:15  * TheSeven is located in Germany
21:16 < TheSeven> and i'd probably pay ~$50 on customs duties alone for a donated ipod classic from outside of the EU, let alone intercontinental shipping costs
21:17 < GaveUp> ick
21:20 < stephen__> thats a lot.
21:22 < TheSeven> yeah, for the total amount you'd pay for that, you can probably get one off ebay
21:23 < GaveUp> ebay is expensive...here at least...i got mine off ebay and it was well over a hundred iirc
21:24 < stephen__> yeah it will be expensive because of the 160gb disk in it
21:28 < GaveUp> 80s werent much cheaper
21:28 < GaveUp> just seemed to be a demand for something with more than 8G/16G of storage
21:45 < default__> We've been here before :)
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