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06:10 < shlee> Is it worth updating the iLoader? will that wipe my storage.
06:18 < shlee> It seems it wont. Just hasn't been updated since I've installed.
06:31 < Farthen> shlee: it normally doesn't wipe your storage. but having a backup is always a good idea
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07:35 < shlee> Well, I'm happy.. FLAC plays perfectly :)
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07:36 < shlee> I've heard something about the actual DAC on the iPod being kind of lame.
07:36 < shlee> but that might be a bunch of audiophile crud
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09:16 < [Saint]> TheSeven: why does http://the-seven.tk/ipod/iloader/updating.php point to an ancient version of iLoader?
09:17 < [Saint]> (r250)
09:20 < [Saint]> I was going to "update" the version on my Nanos, but then it suddenly occured to me to check the version of the download and compare it to the one on the player and mine is r257 so I'd actually be downgrading instead :/
09:23 < user890104> [Saint]: this was the last one released as stable i think
09:25 < [Saint]> I just find it odd that "update" points to such an *ancient* version, and it makes me wonder how many people have mistakenly downgraded their iLoader installation instead.
09:26 < user890104> doesn't the installation page point to the same version, too?
09:28 < [Saint]> probably, but, some people  (like myself for instance) have acquired later versions from TheSeven at various points.
09:28 < [Saint]> basically, I just would have thought that the update page always points to the latest version.
09:29 < [Saint]> unless the build server lies, iLoader isn't built by it at all...apparently.
09:30 < user890104> it can't be built without an ipod connected to it, in order to encrypt the firmware/dfu images
09:30 < user890104> that's why it isn't build automaticly
09:31 < [Saint]> yeah, I kinda thought about that just after I pressed enter ;)
09:31 < [Saint]> still, I'm surprised there isn't a more current version available.
09:32 < [Saint]> it's like ~200 revisions behind current svn
09:36 < user890104> TheSeven asked if there are any issues that need to be fixed before releasing the new version, but i didn't see a released one then
09:36 < user890104> he's maybe busy with the features of emCORE
09:46 < TheSeven> [10:28] <[Saint]> basically, I just would have thought that the update page always points to the latest version.
09:46 < TheSeven> to the latest released stable, yes
09:46 < TheSeven> and nothing newer than r250 was released so far
09:47 < TheSeven> and there are maybe five users who built something newer themselves or got it from me or user890104
09:47 < TheSeven> the vast majority has never seen a newer version
09:48 < TheSeven> i don't think there is any reason to release something newer
09:48 < [Saint]> hmmm...that's right, r257 that I have was a noteboot installer I got from you.
09:48 < TheSeven> the nano2g hasn't seen many changes since r250, which were mostly tiny bugfixes or improvements (like a faster LCD driver), and lots of restructuring to allow for the classic port
09:49 < TheSeven> so there are basically no user-visible changes
09:50 < user890104> TheSeven: which toolchain should i choose for building embios/emcore/etc., seems like rbdev's compiler fail to fit the ftlstub into a note
09:51 < TheSeven> i built the fitting one using yagarto
09:52 < user890104> what about linux?
09:53 < user890104> i'm using an ubuntu VM for my builds
09:53 < user890104> because on windows it fails for some weird reason
09:55 < TheSeven> any idea why?
09:55 < TheSeven> yagarto works perfectly fine for me
09:55 < TheSeven> actually, is there any reason to recompile it?
09:57 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/ftlstub.ucl
09:57 < TheSeven> throw that into /umsboot/ftlstub/build and it should be happy
10:06 < user890104> TheSeven: it showed some i/o error from one of the tools
10:06 < user890104> and then "sed" disagreed with some of the makefile parameters
10:28 < timccc> TheSeven: I usually can't mount my ipod Classic 160gb 3g, with emBIOS v0.1.4 r419M and Rockbox r29063-110116. 
10:28 < timccc> When I connect the ipod to a computer, the ipod freezes with the USB connection graphic displayed. The power, volume, and playback state graphics are not displayed. The ipod does not mount, or appear in dmesg or lsusb. The ipod does not recover, and must be restarted with menu and select. The crash looks the same with 3 wires, on 3 computers, and 3 operating systems.
10:28 < timccc> About once an hour, the Ipod will successfully mount. After one mount, I can disconnect and remount repeatedly until I restart the ipod. After the restart, the ipod crashes like usual. If I connect the ipod while in the i/o debug screen, then I can navigate around rockbox, and the ipod displays the charger icon. View hardware info lists charging: false. So what do think? I see you're busy, and I don't expect or need immediate feedback.
10:29 < TheSeven> hm, does the ipod really lock up if it fails to mount?
10:29 < timccc> ya, i've left it sitting there for over 10 minutes
10:30 < TheSeven> it may need up to a minute to exit usb mode, because it has to do a dircache and tagcache rescan etc.
10:30 < TheSeven> ok
10:30 < TheSeven> that's interesting
10:30 < TheSeven> never seen that kind of misbehavior on mine
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11:05 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r443): emCORE: Fix execfirmware()
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11:06 < fmibot> r443 build result: embios: All green!
11:06 < fmibot> r443 build result: emcore: All green!
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16:12 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r444): emcore.py: implement "emcore.py help" command that displays a short form of the function list for quick reference
16:13 < fmibot> r444 build result: embios: All green!
16:13 < fmibot> r444 build result: emcore: All green!
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17:56 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r445): Add /tools/elf2flt (mirrored from cvs.uclinux.org)

17:57 < fmibot> r445 build result: embios: All green!
17:57 < fmibot> r445 build result: emcore: All green!
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19:32 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r446): elf2flt: Add some svn ignores
19:32 < fmibot> r446 build result: embios: All green!
19:33 < fmibot> r446 build result: emcore: All green!
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21:59 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r447): elf2flt: Ignore R_ARM_V4BX relocations (we don't care about pre-ARMv4t) and switch compression from gzip to UCL
22:00 < fmibot> r447 build result: embios: All green!
22:01 < fmibot> r447 build result: emcore: All green!
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23:00 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r448): emCORE: Remove leftover embiosapp.h
23:02 < fmibot> r448 build result: embios: All green!
23:02 < fmibot> r448 build result: emcore: All green!
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