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00:25 < Thrys> Hello
00:26 < Thrys> Any1 got any news on the 4.2 untethered jailbreak for windows?
00:26 < Thrys> Penis
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02:42 < kisak> there is some more wiki abuse on freemyipod
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06:43 < timccc> what happens when you completely drain a freed classic's battery?
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10:52 < TheSeven> timccc: that depends on how powerful the USB port is it is connected to
10:53 < TheSeven> if you experience reboots during disk spinup, unplug it, switch the hold switch on, connect it again, wait for a few minutes and then switch the hold switch off
10:53 < TheSeven> it should slowly charge if it's powered off, which should make it survive the spinup and then charge properly
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11:38 < timccc> when i plug in the shutdown ipod with the hold switch off, it doesn't  start up. is that normal? the battery is well charged. 
11:45 < timccc> a laptop USB 2.0 port
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12:14 < timccc> thanks for the reply 7, 10 minutes shut down and connected moved the charge from 73% to 77%. another 10 pushed it again to 79% 
13:57 < TheSeven> yes, it's normal that it doesn't wake on USB connect
13:57 < TheSeven> uh oh, wiki trouble...
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17:15 < benedikt93> Farthen: the wiki spam is back...
17:15 < Farthen> so they are able to circumvent recaptcha now???
17:16 < benedikt93> though these few could be done by a human
17:16 < benedikt93> or ofc some advanced bot
17:17 < Farthen> i thought more of a botnet
17:18 < Farthen> but if it is really a human there is not much to do against it except from disabling account creation for some time
17:52 < Farthen> i started to use some anti-spam measures on the wiki. i hope that it will stop now
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19:34 < benedikt93> Farthen, the spamming starts again
19:35 < benedikt93> also do you have an idea what kind of problem Paullo could have in -support ?
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19:53 < Farthen> ok, now i updated my blocklist to contain some of the keywords they always use... at least this is removing the spam. the user accounts will still be created
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19:53 < Farthen> so at least i hope this removes the spam, we'll see
19:54 < tala2xlc> Hey everybody! Is there currently a way to get the serial port of the iPod classic 2g initialized in combination with rockbox somehow? I went through the source, currently serial stuff is commented out.
19:55 < Farthen> tala2xlc: you are talking about UART?
19:55 < tala2xlc> yes, I would like to get iap up and running
19:56 < Farthen> why do you want to use it? what do you want to do with it?
19:57 < tala2xlc> I've build my own car integration kit using an Arduino - now with rockbox my car integration kit doesn't work anymore... ;-)
19:57 < Farthen> cool ;)
19:58 < Farthen> so you want to talk the apple peripheral protocol?
19:58 < tala2xlc> exactly
19:58 < tala2xlc> I've implemented everything on the radio side, with a standard ipod it works like a charm
19:59 < Farthen> i can only say that i have not really a clue about it. you would be best off by asking in #rockbox
19:59 < tala2xlc> the Arduino is acting as a fake CD Changer - it maps CD changer protocol commands to ipod commands and vice versa
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20:00 < tala2xlc> ok :-) I thought maybe somebody here has got some patch to get uart / iap up and running already...
20:00 < Farthen> unfortunately i don't own a n2g so i don't really know how rockbox works with iap
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20:01 < tala2xlc> basically iap is pretty simple - my plan was to extend the default iap commands with some extended stuff - so rockbox would rock even more
20:01 < Farthen> i don't even know if these is iap support in rockbox
20:01 < tala2xlc> it is
20:02 < gevaerts> rockbox does have (some) iap support on PP ipods
20:02 < tala2xlc> Rockbox SVN: $/apps/iap.c -> complete implementation of the iap protocol
20:02 < Farthen> ok, then you have two possibilities: ask in #rockbox and if that doesn't help wait until sunday when TheSeven comes back. he did most of the work with the 2g nano
20:03 < tala2xlc> nice :-) 
20:03 < tala2xlc> I will try - thanks!
20:11 < benedikt93> though I think he mentioned that none of our targets had UART support yet. But I guess he also could help you to implement it, which I don't expect to be that difficult. (Also I might be wrong with this statement)
20:12 < tala2xlc> ok, that's at least a hint
20:12 < gevaerts> basic UART support shouldn't be that hard
20:12  * gevaerts is good at famous last words
20:12 < tala2xlc> :-)
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20:15 < benedikt93> ^^, but UART is really not hard (from what I know from AVRs) <--- I stole you the last words...:P
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20:16 < tala2xlc> no, UART is not hard - but after looking at the source (serial.c) from rockbox I know that I need some registers etc. to get it up and running - currently I'm a bit struggeling in getting the required info for that
20:18 < benedikt93> you'd most likely need TheSeven's help there as this would require some reverse engineering
20:18 < gevaerts> tala2xlc: actually, I'm not sure if serial.c is the one you need
20:18 < benedikt93> also I can't remember having seen an UART module in the bootloader, so a decrypted firmware might be needed for this to be done
20:19 < benedikt93> also, isn't RockBox' iap implementation PP only and as such fairly different?
20:19 < tala2xlc> sorry, what do you mean with "PP"?
20:20 < gevaerts> PortalPlayer
20:20 < gevaerts> i.e. the old ipods
20:20 < tala2xlc> that wouldn't be the issue - I would adapt it to the new protocol
20:21 < tala2xlc> I've implemented my car player according to the official spec - so implementing "the other side" wouldn't be a big issue (from my point of view right now)
20:23 < benedikt93> I guess the protocol might even be exactly the same - but definitly not the hardware-side uart implementation
20:24 < benedikt93> so somebody would have to figure out how the official fw accesses it
20:24 < tala2xlc> yes, that will differ (of course)
20:24 < tala2xlc> yes - the rest on top of it (interpretation of data etc. can be reused then)
20:27 < tala2xlc> I guess I'll have to ask TheSeven then if there are UART related tasks in his queue already... :-)
20:27 < benedikt93> "<gevaerts> rockbox does have (some) iap support on PP ipods" <--- so I guess people would still like if somebody completed it ;)
20:28 < tala2xlc> that was actually my plan
20:28  * gevaerts isn't sure how much is actually there
20:28 < gevaerts> I do know that it's not good enough for some people
20:28 < gevaerts> That bit really belongs in #rockbox though :)
20:28 < tala2xlc> the protocol itself goes as far as transmitting album art to an accessory
20:29 < tala2xlc> I know...sorry about being so Rockbox-specific in here...
20:29 < benedikt93> there has been some site on the web describing it, I think
20:30 < tala2xlc> I thought somebody in here might have some UART related info, since you are much closer to the hardware then the Rockbox guys (that build up on top of the basics that freemyipod discovered)
20:30 < benedikt93> You're welcome, one of the main goals here is to get rockbox on iPods :)
20:30 < tala2xlc> yupp, there are some sites
20:30 < benedikt93> actually, TheSeven did the Classic port for RockBox
20:31 < tala2xlc> ok, even better...so he might be interested in getting everything up and running, including accessories :-D
20:32 < tala2xlc> do you know how much time was required to get the project as far as it is right now?
20:32 < gevaerts> Ages
20:34 < gevaerts> (estimated)
20:35 < tala2xlc> I can imaging - so basically the work was probably started when the first classic came out?
20:36 < gevaerts> Did the classic 1g and the nano 2g come out at around the same time? I gues so...
20:36 < tala2xlc> yes, they did
20:36 < gevaerts> From what I understand, there wasn't much progress for a while, so it's hard to say how much work was being done
20:37 < tala2xlc> I bought a classic 1g back then and I was always hoping that rockbox would come out for it...
20:38 < tala2xlc> but it's already more than awesome to just connect the ipod via usb and fill it via console instead of amarok :)
20:38 < gevaerts> right, around 2007 I guess...
20:38 < benedikt93> http://home.gna.org/linux4nano/ was the original site, although quite outdated right now
20:40 < gevaerts> We (rockbox) first became aware of the linux4nano efforts in the first half of 2008
20:40 < tala2xlc> I personally would have loved to see the faces of some people at apple when they figured out their ipods were broken :)
20:41 < gevaerts> I think it took more or less another year before anything that looked usable appeared
20:42 < tala2xlc> OK, so thanks everybody for your help! I'll have to leave now! Bye!
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