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04:34 < S_a_i_n_t> Yo.... TheSeven, do you have/want a Nano5G?
04:34 < S_a_i_n_t> I got another, I don't *need* two.
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09:31 < S_a_i_n_t> TheSeven: If you saw my message earlier, if you give me an address I can post a Nano5G out to you if you want one, 8GB, black...slightly crappy condition - great working order, a few small scratches on the screen.
09:31 < S_a_i_n_t> I got another one today in better condition, of greater capacity...and I just have it sitting there as my "one day" player, so I've no need for a second.
09:32 < S_a_i_n_t> I'll keep it, unless you want one to jam on.
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12:02 < TheSeven> S_a_i_n_t: i don't see anything i could do with it right now
12:03 < TheSeven> once someone finds an interesting crash or something, that might well change :)
12:08 < S_a_i_n_t> oK, WELL...IF THAT HAPPENS, CIVE ME A YELL ;)
12:08 < S_a_i_n_t> eeeeek....sorry, caps
12:08 < S_a_i_n_t> *give me a yell, too
12:11 < S_a_i_n_t> I'll be able to harrass you about the Classic shortly, I'm buying one new week after next.
12:11 < S_a_i_n_t> (needs to be ordered in because I wanted black)
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17:36 < kisak> are you around TheSeven?
17:38 < TheSeven> yep
17:39 < kisak> could you throw me a link to your ceatatest code?
17:52 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/tmp/ceatatest.7z
17:54 < kisak> thank you
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18:35 < nieuwbie> can anybody tell me what emCore is?
18:35 < TheSeven> a small kernel, that's a bit more powerful than emBIOS
18:36 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: So I should use emCore instead?
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18:46 < TheSeven> nieuwbie: for what?
18:46 < TheSeven> emcore is still not very stable, but in the long term we'll switch to it
18:47 < TheSeven> feel free to play around with it, but don't trust the kernel yet :)
18:47 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: That's what i wanted to know. :)
18:47 < TheSeven> what are you planning to do?
18:47 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Just playing around, write some useless code. ^^
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18:48 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Anywhy is that iLoader works with 1st Gen iPod Classic?
18:50 < TheSeven> iLoader is still running on emBIOS, not emCORE
18:53 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: uuu
18:53 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: So how to load emCore then?
18:53 < TheSeven> you can boot it like embios
18:54 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: using ipodpatcher?
18:54 < TheSeven> sudo python embios.py runfirmware 08000000 emcore.bin
18:54 < nieuwbie> ohhh
19:03 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: I've got an error message while importing: No module named libembios.
19:03 < TheSeven> then libembios.py is probably not in the same directory, or your PYTHONPATH environment variable doesn't include "."
19:16 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Now usb.core... :/
19:17 < TheSeven> that means that pyusb is too old
19:17 < TheSeven> (libemcore needs >=1.0.0a0)
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19:53 < user890104> hi all, i've got an ipod classic today (30GB)
19:53 < user890104> does it have a NOR flash like nano 2g?
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19:55 < Farthen> user890104: huh? there was no ipod classic with 30GB and the classics all have a hard disk
19:55 < user890104> well this looks like an classic
19:55 < user890104> it has a HDD
19:55 < Farthen> ok
19:55 < Farthen> ah, i misread it then
19:56 < Farthen> but i don't remember any classic with 30 gb
19:56 < user890104> i tried to check the s/n online to verify the model
19:56 < user890104> but the website that looks up SNs is down
19:56 < Farthen> this may be an ipod. so the original one before they were called classic
19:57 < user890104> yep, it doesn't look like the ipod classic images i found on google
19:58 < user890104> it has a clickwheel and a button in the center
19:58 < Farthen> then there won't be any encryption on this device which makes it boring :-P
19:58 < Farthen> and the firmware will probably be on the hard disk, too... at least i think so
19:58 < user890104> i guess it uses a portalplayer chip
19:59 < Farthen> yep, should be one of those old portalplayers
19:59 < user890104> does rockbox support it?
20:00 < Farthen> look if you can find it here: http://build.rockbox.org/
20:01 < Farthen> it should be supported like all those old ones
20:04 < user890104> great, thanks
20:05 < user890104> 0x05ac 0x1204 - hardware ids
20:12 < user890104> 05ac 1204 Color (4G) -> found it :)
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20:20 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Error emBIOS device not found. :///
20:21 < TheSeven> nieuwbie: what does lsusb say
20:23 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: http://pastebin.com/caKfbNBg 
20:24 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: There's ntfs on that ipod, Do you think that's related to the problem?
20:25 < TheSeven> ntfs can't be accessed by any ipod software afaik
20:26 < TheSeven> but you seem to be running the OF or rockbox
20:26 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: OF?
20:26 < TheSeven> original firmware
20:28 < teuf> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1353 is helpful for unidentified ipods :)
20:30 < nieuwbie> teuf: That's iPod classic 1 gen 80 GiB for sure.
20:30 < teuf> nieuwbie: this was for user890104 who had issues knowing which model he had
20:31 < nieuwbie> teuf: My mistake. ^^
20:31 < teuf> np, wasn't obvious who this was for :)
20:31 < user890104> teuf thanks, i googled the usb ids and found my model on the rockbox wiki :)
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20:34 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: I formated it using vfat.
20:37 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Didn't change anything.
20:37 < TheSeven> nieuwbie: what on earth are you doing?
20:38 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: I formated my ipod suing vfat.
20:38 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Just a blind shot. ^^
20:39 < TheSeven> yes, you told me that
20:39 < TheSeven> but i have no idea what you are planning to do or what the current state of your ipod is
20:41 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: oh I'm trying to put emCore on my ipod.
20:41 < TheSeven> and what is currently installed/running on that ipod?
20:41 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Official Firmware.
20:42 < TheSeven> then you have two options: boot emcore directly through umsboot, or install iloader and boot emcore through embios (recommended)
20:43 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: So first I have to put iLoader on my ipod, then embios and then emcore?
20:43 < TheSeven> iloader contains embios
20:44 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r503): emCORE: Rework button event handling
20:44 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: How to do that?
20:44 < fmibot> r503 build result: emcore: All green!
20:45 < fmibot> r503 build result: embios: All green!
20:45 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r504): libUI: Add generic chooser framework, plus list-based chooser implementation
20:45 < fmibot> r504 build result: emcore: All green!
20:45 < TheSeven> just install it the usual way (documented on the wiki) and then, when it's at the iloader screen, run the command i sent you above
20:45 < fmibot> r504 build result: embios: All green!
20:51 < Farthen> nieuwbie: out of curiosity: may i ask what you are planning to do with emCORE?
20:51 < TheSeven> [19:47] <nieuwbie> TheSeven: Just playing around, write some useless code. ^^
20:52 < nieuwbie> Farthen: I'm interesting in embedded system so I want write some software on it.
20:52 < Farthen> ah ok. i missed that
20:53 < nieuwbie> Farthen: Nothing specific in mind.
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20:55 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: btw. is there a possibility to port uClinux to iPod or emCore is all we have got?
21:00 < TheSeven> there's always a possibility to port it, but nobody has bothered porting it yet
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21:45 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r505): emcore tools: Implement support for ctype structures and enums
21:45 < fmibot> r505 build result: emcore: All green!
21:45 < fmibot> r505 build result: embios: All green!
21:48 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r506): emcore tools: Implement a scheduler_thread structure and use it. Deprecate scheduler_thread version 1 and support scheduler_thread version 2. Change some lists to enums as that type fits them more.
21:48 < fmibot> r506 build result: emcore: All green!
21:49 < fmibot> r506 build result: embios: All green!
21:49 < Farthen> finally all emcore tools are ported 100% for emcore. i took the long way again :-P
21:50 < Farthen> always the same. i had to rewrite it anyways so why not build some helpful datatypes for it
21:54 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r507): libemcoredata.py: add module docstring
21:54 < fmibot> r507 build result: emcore: All green!
21:55 < fmibot> r507 build result: embios: All green!
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21:56 < bcoco85> ei
21:57 < bcoco85> anybody alive?
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21:59 < bcoco85> i would like to help this project
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21:59 < bcoco85> i have an ipod classic 2g (120gb)
22:00 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r508): libemcore.py: bugfix: Unlocking the scheduler again may be a good idea...
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22:00 < Farthen> bcoco85: what is your problem?
22:00 < fmibot> r508 build result: emcore: All green!
22:00 < bcoco85> i would like to help making tests or sometign else
22:00 < fmibot> r508 build result: embios: All green!
22:00 < bcoco85> i wanna see rockbox into ipod
22:01 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: I followed instructions on the wiki but no new volume appeared.
22:02 < Farthen> bcoco85: did you already try http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation ?
22:03 < Farthen> nieuwbie: what does your screen say?
22:03 < nieuwbie> Farthen: On Ipod? It waits for UBI file
22:03 < Farthen> and you can't see a mass storage volume if you plug the ipod in?
22:04 < Farthen> can you try plugging it out and in again?
22:04 < nieuwbie> Farthen: Ok, I'll check.
22:06 < nieuwbie> Farthen: Yes, no mass storage device. I checked /dev directory, no sign of /dev/sdc (my ipod's block device).
22:06 < Farthen> any other block device like /dev/sdd?
22:08 < Farthen> try 'tail -f -n0 /var/log/syslog' and unplug/replug your ipod again. does anything appear there?
22:08 < nieuwbie> Farthen: There's a /dev/sdb but I don't think so it's the one.
22:08 < bcoco85> ok i will try. in 2 weeks i will have more spare time. thanks for the info Farthen !
22:10 < nieuwbie> Farthen: I have no syslog.
22:11 < Farthen> which linux distribution is that?
22:11 < nieuwbie> Farthen: But tail shows end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 32
22:11 < nieuwbie> Farthen: Gentoo. ^^
22:11 < Farthen> ah
22:11 < Farthen> does the I/O error appear when plugging it in or when pluggin it out?
22:11 < bcoco85> nieuwbie install a log file viewer
22:12 < Farthen> bcoco85: he does not have a syslog. so he can't do anything with a 'log file viewer'
22:12 < bcoco85> ah ok. sorry
22:13 < Farthen> nieuwbie: and that is the problem of not having a syslog xD. you somehow should be able to display the kernel usb messages
22:14 < nieuwbie> Farthen: There's a syslog-ng
22:14 < nieuwbie> Farthen: I can install it if you like.
22:15 < Farthen> i would just like to see the usb kernel messages. how you are accomplishing getting them is your choice ;)
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22:17 < bcoco85> fuck pidgin
22:17 < bcoco85> did i closed the ocnnection?
22:17 < nieuwbie> ^^
22:18 < nieuwbie> Farthen: I'm compiling syslog-ng right now.
22:18 < Farthen> bcoco85: apparently
22:19 < nieuwbie> bcoco85: Do a good thing and install emacs. It has erc included. ^^
22:20 < bcoco85> yep. emacs is like an os
22:20 < bcoco85> yeasr ago i used to irc with irssi
22:21 < nieuwbie> bcoco85: It's the best os among programming editors. ^^
22:22 < bcoco85> one question about the actual rockbox state under ipod classic:
22:22 < bcoco85> from 0 (worst) to 10 (best)
22:22 < nieuwbie> Farthen: I've no file called syslog in /var/log. :/
22:23 < bcoco85> how do you see the stability?
22:23 < Farthen> nieuwbie: i guess you need to configure some stuff and then reboot. but i have no idea
22:23 < bcoco85> syslog-ng is started? 
22:24 < nieuwbie> Farthen: damn. I have to go. I'll return tomorrow.
22:24 < nieuwbie> Good night everybody.
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22:25 < bcoco85> has emacs a syslog viewer?
22:25 < Farthen> bcoco85: it is not about stability. it doesn't crash regularily or stuff like that. there are just some features that are not implemented so far or only rudimentarily like powermanagement
22:25 < bcoco85> thanks farthen
22:26 < bcoco85> i was just afraid
22:26 < bcoco85> i though that it would be buggy or just dont work
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22:27 < bcoco85> i mean, extremely buggy
22:30 < bcoco85> well
22:31 < bcoco85> i will try in 2 weeks
22:32 < bcoco85> Farthen thanks for your support
22:33 < bcoco85> bye!
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