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12:07 < Farthen> damn, i'm locked out by my own spam filter :/
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12:54 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r510): emcore tools: misc.py: Fix Python 2.6 compatibility.
12:54 < fmibot> r510 build result: emcore: All green!
12:54 < fmibot> r510 build result: embios: All green!
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16:07 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r511): emCORE: Fix an obviously wrong LCD register define and add some missing ones
16:07 < fmibot> r511 build result: emcore: All green!
16:07 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r512): emCORE: Force boot option type field to be 32 bits
16:07 < fmibot> r511 build result: embios: All green!
16:07 < fmibot> r512 build result: emcore: All green!
16:08 < fmibot> r512 build result: embios: All green!
16:08 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r513): emCORE: Assembler-optimized dithering on iPod Classic (10% performance gain)
16:08 < fmibot> r513 build result: emcore: All green!
16:08 < fmibot> r513 build result: embios: All green!
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18:04 < Farthen> anyone knows a good name for the pointer that points to the thread struct in emCORE? it is the only identifier for threads, but calling it thread id may be a bit confusing
18:04 < Farthen> i need a name that everyone understands that i can put in emcore.py
18:06 < TheSeven> threadptr?
18:06 < Farthen> you may confuse that with entry point address
18:08 < Farthen> maybe i'll really call it thread id. but then people might think it's a number from 0 counting upwards
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18:25  * TheSeven wouldn't associate threadptr with an entry point
18:26  * TheSeven wonders where the new bootloader and the files required by it should live
18:26 < TheSeven> NAND/HDD or NOR?
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18:28 < TheSeven> and how should recovery of a damaged bootloader or rockbox install work?
18:40 < user890104> i would suggest that only the stuff required to init/read the storage should go to NOR (in a location that does not break diagmode)
18:40 < user890104> then the binaries/themes/whatever should be read from hdd/nand
18:40 < TheSeven> and what happens if someone kills them?
18:41 < user890104> is it possible to boot apple's norloader or whatever it is called in case something's missing?
18:41 < user890104> so the ipod will boot OF
18:41 < TheSeven> currently not
18:42 < user890104> only on classics, right?
18:43 < TheSeven> no, we currently can't boot norboot on either one
18:43 < user890104> but can we use some code simmilar to RB's BL to boot OF off the FW partition (if it's still there)?
18:44 < user890104> this can be the fallback option
18:44 < user890104> and since OF provides disk mode, it should be enough to fix any issue
18:44 < user890104> (i'm talking about nano2g, i am aware that classics don't have dual boot currently)
18:44 < TheSeven> this would be a very very unreliable option for a *fallback*
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18:45 < TheSeven> if the bootloader data on the nand got killed, the probability that the OF is still alive is rather low
18:47 < JollyGood> I just wrote a valid thing on 'Talk:IPod Classic iLoader Installation' and i got spam blocked :S
18:47 < JollyGood> how rude
18:47 < TheSeven> JollyGood: not only you
18:48 < JollyGood> at least it keeps the spammers away
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18:49 < JollyGood> I couldn't  install iLoader on win 7
18:49 < JollyGood> both x86 and x64
18:49 < JollyGood> on x64 it didn't recognise the driver at all
18:50 < user890104> i also would like to suggest the idea of modifying the nor flash as little as possible, for example modifying the name of the directory record where norloader is located, then adding embiosldr to some free area and adding a directory entry with norloader's name pointing to embiosldr
18:50 < JollyGood> on x86 it recognised it but said there is something wrong with it
18:50 < user890104> so the uninstaller could just rename the backup to norloader's entry name, then wipe the additional embiosldr code
18:51 < Farthen> JollyGood: the wiki problems should be fixed now
18:51 < user890104> TheSeven: is there enough free space in the nor flash to fit it this way?
18:51 < Farthen> sorry, i had the spam filter misconfigured
18:53 < Farthen> user890104: problem is that norboot is in the middle of the nor and would destroy any logical structure in the nor if it would stay there
18:53 < Farthen> also norboot is quite big and would consume too much space
18:53 < JollyGood> Farthen: thanks but I allready wrote what I wanted here, so it doesn't seem to matter anymore
18:54 < Farthen> but the wiki needed to be fixed nontheless xD
18:57 < Farthen> anyone volunteering to fix disk mode on ipod classic?
18:57 < Farthen> JollyGood: what was the problem with the driver?
19:02 < JollyGood> it said somthing about it not being writen right
19:03 < JollyGood> I ended up installing it on win xp - there were no problems there
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19:04 < Farthen> ok
19:04 < Farthen> this windows 7 driver signing sucks and is annoying as hell
19:08 < JollyGood> it's like they're always trying to make life harder for the users
19:08 < JollyGood> Apple also
19:09 < JollyGood> I realy think if it was possible to install rockbox on ipod to begin with, more people would buy it
19:12 < TheSeven> [19:50] <user890104> so the uninstaller could just rename the backup to norloader's entry name, then wipe the additional embiosldr code << there is no such thing
19:12 < TheSeven> the bootrom finds norboot based on its location, not on any kind of directory
19:13 < user890104> damn bootrom
19:13 < user890104> i think it should read the entries, not just jump to a hard-coded location
19:14 < TheSeven> well, it does read and check loads of things
19:14 < TheSeven> like PKI signatures :P
19:14 < user890104> or Apple didn't want to aid anyone overwriting the NOR :)
19:15 < user890104> TheSeven: is there any code available that dumps bootrom's contents to a file (nano2g)?
19:15 < TheSeven> embios.py downloadfile 20000000 c800 bootrom.bin
19:16 < TheSeven> that isn't even nano2g-specific
19:16 < TheSeven> works on all ipods i have reverse-engineered so far :)
19:16 < TheSeven> on the 4g there is a clock gate that needs to be opened first, but apart from that, it's the same
19:17 < JollyGood> Farthen: I can do more checking if you want me to, for this or any other thing. I have a classic 3g
19:18 < JollyGood> I'm never on IRC but I'm on the mailing list and I check the wiki regularly
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19:24 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r514): emcore tools/misc.py: Allow converting c_enum objects to int
19:25 < fmibot> r514 build result: emcore: All green!
19:25 < fmibot> r514 build result: embios: All green!
19:26 < user890104> TheSeven: based on my calculations, the largest area of unused space in apple's stock nano2g NOR is around 182 kb
19:26 < user890104> is it possible to fit embios ldr there, and overwrite the first bytes of norloader with a jmp to that address
19:26 < user890104> (and backup these bytes so they can be restored)
19:26 < TheSeven> that geometry highly depends on what the user has done with his ipod so far
19:27 < TheSeven> and that thing at 0x8000 is a 128kb-sized encrypted and signed image
19:27 < TheSeven> we can't just replace a few bytes of that
19:27 < user890104> damn, forgot that it's encrypted
19:27 < user890104> i'm out of ideas for now
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20:08 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r515): UMSboot: Remove some unused things to make it compile for ipodclassic with the Rockbox toolchain
20:09 < fmibot> r515 build result: emcore: All green!
20:09 < fmibot> r515 build result: embios: All green!
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20:45  * Farthen still thinks that someone should merge umsboot and emcore
20:45 < GaveUp> sounds like you just volunteered to be that someone
20:47 < Farthen> i don't really need umsboot myself so i don't really care. but i think it would be easier to maintain it that way
20:51 < TheSeven> Farthen: i don't think they have much in common
20:51 < TheSeven> some drivers, yes
20:52 < TheSeven> but while emcore has multitasking and dynamic memory allocation etc., umsboot is single-threaded and statically allocated
20:52 < Farthen> wasn't that the point of embios/emcore? to create a hardware abstration so that you don't need to copy/paste them?
20:52 < Farthen> (them being the drivers)
20:52 < TheSeven> for apps, of course
20:53 < TheSeven> that use standardized APIs
20:53 < TheSeven> but not for the kernel itself
20:53 < TheSeven> and UMSboot is way more lowlevel than even embios, let alone emcore
20:56 < user890104> i'm creating a new virtual machine that will be used to build the whole svn tree, what distro/toolchain would you guys recommend?
20:58 < TheSeven> and UMSboot is way more lowlevel than even embios, let alone emcore
20:58 < TheSeven> oops
20:59  * TheSeven uses ubuntu and the rockbox toolchain
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21:26 < nieuwbie> Farthen: Hello, any luck with that ipoddfu thing?
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21:36  * TheSeven tries to hunt down some rather nasty bugs
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22:48 < hdcool09-ipod> Hello
22:48 < hdcool09-ipod> I need help
22:55 < user890104> hdcool09-ipod: hello, what is the problem?
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23:21 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r516): emcore tools: Fix createthread. Fix execfirmware. emcore.py: Make the strings more readable
23:21 < fmibot> r516 build result: emcore: All green!
23:21 < fmibot> r516 build result: embios: All green!
23:29 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r517): emcore tools: Fix indentation
23:29 < fmibot> r517 build result: emcore: All green!
23:29 < fmibot> r517 build result: embios: All green!
23:44 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r518): emcore tools: Improve readability for even more strings, make all hex representations of numbers the same case.
23:44 < fmibot> r518 build result: emcore: All green!
23:45 < fmibot> r518 build result: embios: All green!
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