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11:14 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r573): emCORE: Swap the order of the IRQ and abort mode stacks, so that if the IRQ mode stack overflows, it corrupts the abort mode stack before corrupting ibss
11:14 < fmibot> r573 build result: emcore: All green!
11:14 < fmibot> r573 build result: embios: All green!
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12:14 < user890104> my nano 2g installer builds seem to be working fine
12:14 < user890104> so if anyone wishes to update - builds.freemyipod.org
12:15 < user890104> (i just made one from SVN HEAD)
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12:18 < [Saint]> emBIOS or CORE?
12:18 < [Saint]> gah...missed 'em
12:19 < [Saint]> you were doing emBIOS/iLoader/Rockbox instellers...no?
12:20  * [Saint] assumes user890104 will see this eventually
12:32 < TheSeven> SVN HEAD == emcore
12:32 < TheSeven> there is no head embios installer any more
12:39 < [Saint]> ah...so, that installer is essentially the same one you handed me the other day?
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13:22 < TheSeven> [Saint]: it should be at least
13:38 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r574): emcore.py: Fix a wrong docstring
13:38 < fmibot> r574 build result: emcore: All green!
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13:39 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r575): emcore.py: New function: Hexdump
13:39 < fmibot> r574 build result: embios: All green!
13:39 < fmibot> r575 build result: emcore: All green!
13:39 < fmibot> r575 build result: embios: All green!
13:40 < TheSeven> Farthen: can you please have a look why it scrambles the argument order in the help for the hexdump command?
13:42 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r576): emcore.py: hexdump: zero-pad the hex values
13:43 < fmibot> r576 build result: emcore: All green!
13:43 < fmibot> r576 build result: embios: All green!
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14:01 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r577): emcore.py: hexdump: fix endianness
14:01 < fmibot> r577 build result: emcore: All green!
14:01 < fmibot> r577 build result: embios: All green!
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15:23 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r578): emcore.py: Make hexdump even more flexible
15:23 < fmibot> r578 build result: emcore: All green!
15:23 < fmibot> r578 build result: embios: All green!
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15:34 < fmibot> New commit by farthen (r579): emcore tools: getfuncdoc(): fix default argument order being scrambled
15:34 < fmibot> r579 build result: emcore: All green!
15:34 < fmibot> r579 build result: embios: All green!
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16:11 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r580): emCORE Loader for iPod Classic: Simplify syscon setup
16:11 < fmibot> r580 build result: emcore: All green!
16:11 < fmibot> r580 build result: embios: All green!
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17:05 < paulo_> any tips on reversing?
17:18 < GaveUp> take your time?
17:19 < TheSeven> paulo_: which device?
17:20 < TheSeven> any people with an ipod classic around?
17:20 < TheSeven> i need undervolting testers :)
17:24 < GaveUp> which ipod classic?
17:24 < TheSeven> doesn't matter
17:24 < GaveUp> 1st gen 160G here...
17:24 < TheSeven> or rather, the more variety, the better :)
17:24 < TheSeven> ah, hm, that one might be tricky
17:25 < TheSeven> how does that one currently react to in installation attempt?
17:25 < TheSeven> panic with an i/o error?
17:25 < GaveUp> never tried
17:25 < TheSeven> in that case we could test on it as well
17:25 < GaveUp> with the clicky wheel essentially non-functional getting it in to dfu mode and such is damn near impossible
17:26 < TheSeven> i'm basically lowering the CPU, memory and LCD voltages to reduce power consumption, and especially for the LCDs the minimum possible voltage might deviate from lcd type to lcd type
17:26 < TheSeven> what's wrong with the wheel?
17:26 < GaveUp> play button doesn't work
17:26 < GaveUp> the scrolling and the other 3 buttons work fine...just the play button is broke
17:27 < GaveUp> don't know anymore since opening the damned thing is impossible
17:27 < TheSeven> huh? but you don't need the play button for that?
17:27 < TheSeven> you only need menu and select
17:28 < TheSeven> haha
17:28 < TheSeven> just undervolted mine a bit too much
17:28 < TheSeven> and got really nice graphics artifacts :)
17:28 < TheSeven> apparently the menu animations don't care, but the PNG decoder is acting up :)
17:29 < GaveUp> ah true ... well if you're around in about 5 hours when I get home I'll test things out
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17:29  * TheSeven wonders if the CPU or memory voltage is the culprit here
17:30 < TheSeven> aha
17:30 < TheSeven> 25mV more Vcore fix it :)
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18:43 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Could you tell me how to execute assembler program on iPod? Is the same like 'python embios.py runfirmware 08000000 file?
18:44 < TheSeven> depends on what kind of program
18:44 < TheSeven> if it is supposed to directly run on the hardware, without relying on any OS services or drivers, you can run it using runfirmware
18:45 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Simple program adding two numbers.
18:45 < TheSeven> if it relies on any services/drivers, you'll need to build it ans an emcoreapp
18:45 < TheSeven> nieuwbie: and doing what with the result?
18:45 < TheSeven> as*
18:46 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: here you can find the source code http://www.bravegnu.org/gnu-eprog/hello-arm.html
18:46 < nieuwbie> I don't know assembler but I think it just add to numbers, nothing else.
18:47 < TheSeven> yes, and then basically throwing the result away :)
18:47 < TheSeven> you can certainly run that using runfirmware, but i see no point in doing it, as you won't observe any reaction except for the device freezing
18:48 < nieuwbie> hmm, what about displaying a value? I isn't so simple right?
18:49 < Farthen> you would more likely want to write an emcore app
18:49 < TheSeven> if you want to run it through runfirmware, you'll need to write a font renderer and LCD driver in that case
18:49 < Farthen> you can then use the display apis to easily write text to the display
18:50 < Farthen> does your helloworld compile now?
18:51 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r581): emCORE: Do some undervolting. Please complain if this breaks something. The LCD types I don't have access to have been set to insanely low voltages to make people owning them speak up. This will most likely manifest itself as very poor LCD contrast.
18:51  * TheSeven is evil today :)
18:51 < fmibot> r581 build result: emcore: All green!
18:51 < fmibot> r581 build result: embios: All green!
18:51 < GaveUp> TheSeven: just today?
18:51 < nieuwbie> Farthen: No, that's why I want to check if I can do some assembler programming.
18:52 < nieuwbie> I'm desperate. ^^
18:52 < GaveUp> I'm GaveUp ... nice to meet you
18:52 < TheSeven> nieuwbie: can you upload the elf file you got at e.g. datafilehost.com?
18:52 < Farthen> you could write the same in c and compile it for arm-elf-eabi. but you would not have any output again
18:54 < Farthen> best would be to get the build environment working. i must admit that it is not that easy
18:54 < TheSeven> Farthen: why? clean ubuntu 10.10, clean rockbox toolchain, clean elf2emcoreapp => works
18:54 < TheSeven> at least on 32bit ubuntu
18:54 < TheSeven> and i think it worked for you on 64bit as well after my patch?
18:55 < Farthen> yep
18:55 < Farthen> but it won't work with a "clean" rockbox toolchain
18:55 < Farthen> you need to stop it at a certain point etc
18:56 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: Sure. http://www.datafilehost.com/download-ed101f35.html
18:56 < TheSeven> you only need to steal two files during the compilation process
18:57  * Farthen still thinks that forking the rockboxdev script would be a good option
18:58 < TheSeven> why forking it?
18:58 < TheSeven> IMHO we should push that upstream
18:59 < Farthen> or that way, yes
18:59 < Farthen> i more thought about an ugly hack...
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18:59 < Farthen> and i don't think we would get ugly hacks in the rockbox svn as easy as we would get them into ours xD
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19:00 < TheSeven> mine: http://pastie.org/1546065
19:00 < TheSeven> yours: http://pastie.org/1546068
19:02 < TheSeven> can you paste your arm-elf-eabi-ld --version output?
19:02 < TheSeven> mine is "GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.20.1.20100303"
19:02 < Farthen> which arm-elf-eabi could also be interesting
19:03 < nieuwbie> Wait, i need to change the system.
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19:06 < nieuwbie> GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.20.1.20100303
19:06 < nieuwbie>  
19:09 < nieuwbie> hmm maybe I did something wrong during compilation.
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19:10 < TheSeven> can you remove the @ from line 53 of the Makefile and paste the exact command line of the linker?
19:10 < nieuwbie> exact command line of the linker?
19:11 < nieuwbie> Sorry but what do you mean?
19:12 < TheSeven> if you remove that @, it should print the linker command that it's executing
19:12 < nieuwbie> and about removing: @ from line @echo [LD] $@?
19:12 < nieuwbie> Now I get it.
19:14 < TheSeven> of course only the first @ in that line :)
19:14 < nieuwbie> ^^
19:15 < nieuwbie> Makefile:51: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.
19:15 < nieuwbie>  
19:15 < TheSeven> apparently your editor trashed the tabs
19:16 < nieuwbie> I don't use tabs.
19:16 < Farthen> but the makefile does
19:16 < nieuwbie> anyway that's gnu emacs
19:16 < Farthen> use vi
19:16 < Farthen> :-P
19:16 < TheSeven> or nano
19:16 < nieuwbie> Don't have to. :P
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19:17 < nieuwbie> [PP] version.h
19:17 < nieuwbie> [CC] main.c
19:17 < nieuwbie> [CC] ../../emcore/trunk//export/armhelpers.c
19:17 < nieuwbie> echo [LD]      build/helloworld.elf
19:17 < nieuwbie> [LD] build/helloworld.elf
19:17 < nieuwbie> [EMCAPP] build/helloworld.elf
19:17 < nieuwbie>  
19:18 < TheSeven> er, not that line of course
19:18 < TheSeven> line 53, not 52
19:18 < nieuwbie> Ok.
19:19 < nieuwbie> arm-elf-eabi-ld "/usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/libgcc.a" -d -r --gc-sections -o build/helloworld.elf -T ls.x build/./main.o build/__emcore_armhelpers.o
19:19 < nieuwbie>  
19:20 < TheSeven> aha
19:20 < TheSeven> where did the --emit-relocs go?
19:20 < nieuwbie> Not ask me, I don't even know what's that.
19:20 < TheSeven> oh, wait, is this a stoneage version of the app?
19:21 < nieuwbie> Stoneage? Revison 488.
19:21 < TheSeven> that seems to be from before emcore first run apps :)
19:21 < TheSeven> an svn up may well fix this :)
19:21 < Farthen> but please svn up the whole tree
19:22 < nieuwbie> Farthen: I did it, but nothing happended.
19:23 < Farthen> huh? how did you download your checkout in the first place then?
19:23 < Farthen> you may as well checkout again with svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/ freemyipod
19:23 < nieuwbie> svn co -r 488 ...
19:24 < TheSeven> or run svnversion and check its output
19:24 < Farthen> "svn up" does nothing?
19:24 < TheSeven> should be 581
19:24 < TheSeven> yours will probably be 488:somethingM
19:24 < nieuwbie> TheSeven: yyy well, I tried that but, you suggested revison 488.
19:25 < TheSeven> yeah, weeks ago, before emcore worked :)
19:25 < TheSeven> there have been dozens of fixes since then
19:25 < nieuwbie> ^^
19:27 < nieuwbie> Compiled...
19:28 < nieuwbie> ok, let's try it.
19:29 < nieuwbie> Damn! It's working!
19:30 < nieuwbie> Yokata!
19:31 < nieuwbie> Thanks guys.
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21:37 < nieuwbie> G'nite.
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21:51 < Rim13> Classic 3G, If i undestand, it use pata hard drive interface?
22:00 < TheSeven> yes
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22:12 < Rim13> http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-classic.ubi - have emBIOS r419:412M
22:12 < Rim13> http://builds.freemyipod.org/ - I see r581 It's better or not?
22:12 < Rim13>  And if it's better how can I upgrade emBIOS?
22:12 < TheSeven> embios hasn't really changed since that release, as we're moving to it's bigger brother, emCORE
22:13 < TheSeven> there is some not yet well-tested, but somewhat usable version available at http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-ipodclassic.ubi
22:14 < TheSeven> that's still not the most recent SVN version, but I will update that in a minute
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22:15 < TheSeven> done
22:15 < TheSeven> this link now points to the most recent state that we have
22:16 < TheSeven> known bugs so far: two of the lcd types will probably have poor contrast until someone tells me the right volate for them, and the boot menu locks up from time to time (and needs a menu+select reset)
22:16 < TheSeven> power consumption (also within rockbox) is a lot better than with emBIOS though
22:16 < TheSeven> but you need to have a very recent rockbox version, older ones will probably fail to boot
22:16 < TheSeven> so it'll be best to update rockbox first
22:17 < Rim13> Clearly, thanks
22:17 < TheSeven> to upgrade to emcore, just boot umsboot and throw the ubi file into it
22:18 < Rim13> I always use the last versions Rockbox
22:21 < Rim13> When I upgrade to emcore, all data erased?
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22:26 < TheSeven> Rim13: if you upgrade from emBIOS, it shouldn't need to erase the HDD
22:27 < TheSeven> if it wants to, it will present you a big fat warning :)
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22:30 < TheSeven> [23:26] <TheSeven> Rim13: if you upgrade from emBIOS, it shouldn't need to erase the HDD
22:30 < TheSeven> [23:27] <TheSeven> if it wants to, it will present you a big fat warning :)
22:36 < Rim13> hmm.. Strange. I see on screen only emCORE v0.1.4 r581, and i don't See The following screen with a choice After menu+select i see emBIOS r419
22:38 < Rim13> again
22:38 < TheSeven> that emcore thing that you saw was the installer
22:38 < TheSeven> if that fails to boot this may mean that the current voltage settings are too aggressive
22:44 < Rim13> ?, I Don't know how change voltage settings
22:44 < Rim13>  *panic* hit reset vector! -  the second time of upgrade
22:48 < Rim13> It has turned out, in the choice menu saw many colors. rockbox has successfully booted 
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23:13 < TheSeven> Rim13: you mean the boot menu was some kind of a garbled rainbow? :)
23:14 < TheSeven> that's a sign of Vcore being too low
23:14 < TheSeven> had that myself at 0.950V, now we're running at 0.975V
23:24 < Rim13> I undestand that r419 is very steble then r581, Thanks. now I try to downgrade emcore to embios
23:25 < TheSeven> good luck...
23:26 < TheSeven> if it doesn't work out that way, boot it into DFU and use the bootstrapping sequence again, and run the emcore installer from there
23:27 < Rim13> I use all ways, bye
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