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07:05 < TheSeven> [Saint]: wasn't it the other way round?
07:05 < TheSeven> I thought the "idle" color of that LCD was white, so black may take an mA more
07:08 < TheSeven> geek__: there's good news for you... if your drive behaves similarly bad as mine, you might want to check out my bad sector fixing tool once ce-ata works
07:09 < geek__> TheSeven: i'm trying mkdosfs with sector fixing
07:09 < geek__> it takes ages
07:09 < TheSeven> i've fully automated the process now, but of course it will still take several days, and i'm not 100% sure how good the results will be
07:09 < geek__> loooool
07:09 < geek__> i'm estimating a month
07:09 < TheSeven> i'm tackling that thing at a lower level (the ATA driver)
07:10 < TheSeven> so basically emulate a smaller clean HDD on top of the broken one
07:10 < geek__> considering i got a replacement, i'd be willing to give it a shot, should the current method dail
07:10 < geek__> fail
07:11 < geek__> TheSeven: lets see, random skipping of songs, random pausing, itunes going utterly insane when you try to put more than 30 gb on files on it?
07:12 < TheSeven> if you had the 80GB drive, a bad sector scanner would have to fight with the drive doing weird things like not reporting write errors at a failing sector, but ~60 sectors later
07:12 < geek__> its the 160 gig one. 
07:13 < geek__> anyway, i figured its worth a shot
07:13 < TheSeven> yeah, i know, otherwise it woudln't be ce-ata
07:13 < TheSeven> is it from toshiba as well?
07:13 < geek__> no idea
07:13 < geek__> i can't touch it for now either. i'm about 10 days into a format 
07:13 < TheSeven> haha
07:13 < TheSeven> can you see how far it has come?
07:13 < geek__> i'm estimating another 20 days ._.
07:13 < geek__> XD
07:14 < geek__> you know how many sectors the drive should have?
07:14 < TheSeven> that depends on how it's being emulated
07:15 < TheSeven> if it shows up with 4KB per sector, it should be ~40 million sectors, if it shows up with 512 bytes per sector, it should be 8 times as much
07:15 < [Saint]> TheSeven: white is the most energy-hungry colour for most screens to produce.
07:15 < geek__> yeah, it shows about 39 million
07:15 < geek__> i'm at 37 millionish
07:15 < geek__> the first 36 million is fast. after that it does about 100K sectors a day
07:15 < [Saint]> Black(or red, for some AMOLED/SAMOLED screens) the least.
07:15 < TheSeven> hm, so the trouble is at the innermost part?
07:15 < geek__> apparently
07:16 < TheSeven> mine is the exact contrary
07:16 < geek__> i don't have any linux systems i can spare other than my server (which is in my dad's office) so i dumped it there, and am running the disk check over ssh/screen ;p
07:16 < TheSeven> there are several regions with high numbers of bad sectors, but they're all within the outermost quarter
07:17 < TheSeven> [Saint]: I seriously doubt that this is true for ipod LCDs
07:17 < geek__> the annoying thing is, the refurb i have has a relatively horrible battery (it was fairly cheap, and i am still weighing my options), the old one lasted roughly a week between charges
07:17 < geek__> well, as i understand, LCDs themselves are low power. its the backlight which is the issue
07:18 < TheSeven> yeah, but we're talking about the maybe 5% impact the LCD has here :P
07:18 < geek__> true
07:18 < geek__> though, for the nano it would be a bigger deal than the classics
07:19 < TheSeven> [Saint]: once my bad sector scan finishes, I can do some measurements again, but I'm *fairly* sure that white is more efficient
07:19 < TheSeven> also, the backlight is generally very efficient on those ipods
07:19 < TheSeven> only takes like 20mA
07:19  * geek__ is also curious why just one model has CE ATA
07:19  * TheSeven considers that a failed experiment :)
07:19 < geek__> its a pain, i actually wanted to get it replaced but no one seemed to have the parts
07:20 < geek__> i'll likely get a 160 gb thinny once i've saved enough XD
07:20 < TheSeven> and if you think that the drive has much of a power consumption impact, that's wrong
07:20 < geek__> since no one else seems to make a HDD based player worth a damned
07:20 < geek__> *damn
07:21  * [Saint] is halfway-ish there to saving for a new Classic
07:21 < geek__> i'm not sure in my case
07:21 < [Saint]> they're bloody expensive new.
07:21 < TheSeven> assuming 64MB of RAM (like the classics have), no skipping around, and buffering working reasonably well, the drive will consume about 10% of the total power
07:21 < geek__> [Saint]: the refurb i got cost about 160 singapore dollars . a new one is about 388
07:22 < geek__> which isn't bad. I just didn't plan for it ;p
07:22 < TheSeven> (assuming apple's runtime estimates. for rockbox the impact is even less as the CPU is still not running efficiently)
07:22 < geek__> and people might choose to run fairly intensive codecs?
07:23 < TheSeven> geek__: might the cowon x7 be an option for you?
07:23 < geek__> TheSeven: reviews seem horrible, and i haven't found a credible local retailer for it
07:24 < TheSeven> well, it certainly surpasses an ipod classic in terms of battery life :)
07:25 < geek__> i *am* considering it, but eh, for now, i'm focusing on the devil i know ;p
07:51 < TheSeven> damn, 459027 bad sector candidates :/
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11:55 < geek__> hmm
11:55 < geek__> TheSeven: ouch, how old is it?
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12:03 < TheSeven> geek7: I have no idea. It was donated half a year ago, in that broken state
12:03 < TheSeven> I'd assume that it was dropped a few times
13:15  * TheSeven has just borrowed a CE-ATA ipod from a friend
13:16 < TheSeven> I don't want to promise anything, but let's see :)
13:16 < geek7> lol
13:17 < geek7> its ok. I need to wait a month for my 'expendable' ipod to be usable anyway 
13:17 < geek7> ;p
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13:48  * TheSeven found a typo in the driver code and now gets a different reaction :)
13:49 < geek7> ooh
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17:47 < paulo_> Hello
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