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08:17  * STeeF is listening to his iPod Classic 1 G 160 GB running Rockbox!! Big thumbs up for everyone!
08:18 < STeeF> Only 2 crashes so far :)
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09:20 < TheSeven> STeeF: how did you crash it?
09:20 < STeeF> TheSeven, listen to music while working :)
09:20 < TheSeven> the only issue i've had with the version of ~36h ago was pictureflow crashing due to trouble with the FAT driver
09:21 < TheSeven> (r29381M-110223)
09:22 < STeeF> For the record, I listen to pre-recorded radio shows (about 2 till 4 hours a piece), It crashed after playing 1 hour and 10 minutes
09:22 < STeeF> I run the same version
09:22 < TheSeven> how did it crash?
09:22 < STeeF> Complete lockup, and last 'note'/'tone' kept repeating
09:23 < TheSeven> hm, so an IRQ mode deadlock? nasty :/ no panic message or something?
09:23 < STeeF> display stays visible, but no response on keys / hold switch
09:23 < STeeF> display displays the 'current playing' song
09:24 < TheSeven> as if the CPU just fell dead from one second to another...
09:24 < STeeF> yep
09:25 < STeeF> is there a way to debug this when it might happen again?
09:25 < STeeF> like a key combo to make some kind of register dump?
09:30 < TheSeven> npoe
09:30 < TheSeven> nope*
09:31 < TheSeven> if that was possible, the lockup wouldn't have happened in the first place
09:31 < STeeF> I guessed that was the case :)
09:32 < TheSeven> the reason why it stops responding is usually that either lots of code was overwritten for some reason, or that IRQs aren't handled any more
09:32 < STeeF> The throughput on linux surprised I managed to upload 15 GB of files in 25 minutes!
09:32 < STeeF> aha ok
09:32 < TheSeven> possible root causes for the latter are either overwriting of the IRQ vector, or an IRQ handler locking up
09:32 < TheSeven> ~15MB/s via USB currently
09:32 < TheSeven> emcore gets ~40MB/s to the disk locally
09:34 < STeeF> Nice! I expected even worse, I was pleasant surprised!
09:34 < STeeF> Battery usage isn't to bad either
09:35 < TheSeven> do you know if the 160GB one has a bigger battery?
09:35 < STeeF> This port is preforming better than Rockbox got its initial support for the iRiver H340 and H10
09:35 < STeeF> At that time it was horrible, resetting every few minutes :)
09:36 < TheSeven> STeeF: how much battery life do you currently get?
09:37 < TheSeven> on the 80GB one we're at like ~12h currently
09:37 < STeeF> we will see
09:38 < STeeF> I have a running time of 6h currently
09:38 < TheSeven> what does the fuel gauge say?
09:38 < TheSeven> it should be pretty accurate now
09:39 < TheSeven> (except for the lowest 10% of the scale, which just can't be predicted correctly with the system we currently have))
09:39 < STeeF> Lol: Est. remain: -1 m
09:39 < STeeF> its at 79%
09:39 < TheSeven> yep, that's known
09:39 < STeeF> whoeps 71%
09:39 < TheSeven> we don't have estimates for the power consumption yet, only for the battery state
09:40 < TheSeven> so that would be ~20h
09:40 < TheSeven> if it indeed has a bigger battery that might well be true
09:40 < STeeF> I'll keep an eye on the battery usage
09:41 < STeeF> when do you plan to sync the changes back to rockbox svn, so 'normal' updating will be possible?
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09:46 < TheSeven> ok, it indeed has a bigger battery
09:46 < TheSeven> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1322?viewlocale=en_US has some interesting numbers
09:53 < TheSeven> STeeF: when i've cleaned up the code
09:53 < TheSeven> it currently has some rather invasive rockbox core changes, which will need heavy testing (and I know that there is still at least one bug) before they can go into trunk
09:58 < STeeF> Ok fare enough! Can I help testing further testing? I'm listening to music roughly 6 hours a day work
09:58 < STeeF> at work :)
09:59 < TheSeven> hm, one thing you could check when you get the next lockup is if the drive is spinning
09:59 < TheSeven> if yes, that might point to a problem on the CE-ATA/FAT side of things
10:00 < TheSeven> if not, it's more likely that undervolting, PCM or I2C are the culprit
10:02 < STeeF> I will leave my iPod playing with the screen in the main (root) menu
10:03 < STeeF> so I can see the disk-spinning icon
10:04 < TheSeven> you should see that on the while playing screen as well (replacing the playback indicator)
10:05 < TheSeven> but i wouldn't trust that in such a situation anyway
10:06 < TheSeven> why not just listen if you can hear the disk spinning? :)
10:07 < STeeF> Will do that also :) But as extra debug info... 
10:28 < STeeF> TheSeven, does the installer-ipodclassic.ubi also work on  the 80 GB First gen?
10:31 < TheSeven> it should, but i haven't verified
10:31 < TheSeven> the installer itself and emcore will work, but i'm not sure about rockbox
10:32 < TheSeven> the rockbox binary inside has the CEATA patch applied, which has not been tested to not break PATA yet
10:32 < STeeF> Friend of mine just tried the installer-ipodclassic.ubi, flash was ok emcore works and when he chosed Rockbox ATA Error -11...
10:33 < TheSeven> that might mean that it's broken
10:33 < TheSeven> so he should probably use a rockbox version without that patch, i.e. plain SVN
10:34 < TheSeven> create /.rockbox and upload /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod through the emcore interface, then boot rockbox and upload the rest through USB mass storage
10:36 < STeeF> We were just experimenting :) It's always nice to play around
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10:44  * geek__ notes the new change ;p
10:45 < geek__> from what i recall, when the fattie ipod 160 gb and the original thinnie 120 gb were out, the fattie had better battery life
10:45 < geek__> so, i suspect it might have had a bigger battery
10:46 < geek__> and erf. my spare ipod is still not ready for testing yet XD
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13:57 < STeeF> TheSeven, got it locked-up again :)
13:58 < STeeF> obvious a IRQ issue
13:59 < STeeF> Listening to music in the back-ground, scrolled down to 'system' and pressed select and after that lock-up
14:01 < STeeF> Disk is not spinning
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14:37 < STeeF> TheSeven, an other lockup! This time the disk is spinning. No manual interference, even Menu + Select is not able to reset the device!!
14:39 < STeeF> Ok this is interesting, device was totally locked-up not even to reset with Menu+Select. But putting on the hold switch and switching back the hold switch to off the device was able to reset with Menu+Select!
14:42 < Farthen> STeeF: this is normal procedure. even the apple knowledge base tells you to do so. there can be moments where the clickwheel crashes or something like that
14:43 < Farthen> still important to note though as this is probably related to a software bug
14:43 < STeeF> So its hardware controlled? Hold on, Hold off and Menu+Select to reset?
14:44 < Farthen> no, but the clickwheel (or another component) can apparently be brought into a state where the combo doesn't work
14:45 < STeeF> The other lockups I had I could use the Menu+Select option immediately to reset the device but this time I needed the hold-on/off thing
14:45 < Farthen> the hold switch turns off the clickwheel completely so it is reset after switching off hold again
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14:46 < Farthen> i can't tell you when or why that happens
14:46 < STeeF> ok, but is the clickwheel turned off by hardware or software?
14:48 < TheSeven> Farthen, STeeF: the hold switch physically powers down the clickwheel
14:48 < STeeF> ok that explains why the Menu+Select option 'came to live'
14:49 < Farthen> yep. but i'm wondering why a clickwheel reset may be required
14:52 < HiddeBoomsma> I just experienced the same problem, the sound kept playing the same buffer over and over again :)
14:55 < STeeF> HiddeBoomsma, did you experienced this before you upgrade to did today?
14:55 < HiddeBoomsma> no, not yet
14:56 < STeeF> So its not only released to only Classic 1G 160 GB
14:56 < STeeF> but also the Classic 1G 80 GB :)
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16:40  * user890104 just got a nano 3g
16:43 < benedikt93> user890104, nice! it's definitly the Nano with the best design besides the 1G, IMHO
16:44 < user890104> i can't get used to its clickwheel, it's a bit fast than the others
16:44 < user890104> and the GUI seems to be a bit laggy when switching songs/menu/etc
16:45 < user890104> it's hard to notice it, but it can be seen if you look closely
16:46 < benedikt93> you notice this quite much when going several menu layers up at once, but this doesn't really hinder (me at least)
17:13 < HiddeBoomsma> My ipod also froze again :)
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19:51 < paulo_> hello
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20:17 < user890104> paulo_: hello, if you have any questions, please ask them and someone will probably try to answer them
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20:20 < paulo_> no questions here.
20:22 < benedikt93> how's the nano 6g going?
20:22 < paulo_> benedikt93: still nothing.
20:22 < paulo_> just found new ways to make it crash
20:24 < paulo_> i think even darkmalloc has give up.
20:24 < paulo_> he's off the #nanohack
20:24 < paulo_> *#nanohack channel
20:27 < benedikt93> did you actually try the iPod Touch/iPhone exploits? especially since [Saint] (I think it was him) over from rockbox seems to have proof of it running a stripped down iOS
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20:31 < benedikt93> ah, no, has been LambdaCalculus IIRC
20:32 < benedikt93> paulo_, ^
20:32 < paulo_> benedikt93: i doubt it's running iOS
20:33 < paulo_> plus i'm sure darkmalloc would have tried it
20:33 < octocpp> anyone use the xsellize repo? is it safe to use, or might there be trojans in some of the apps?
20:39 < paulo_> can't wait to try shatter though
20:40 < benedikt93> octocpp, read the topic. You need to ask in places where they deal with such stuff.
20:41 < octocpp> ops, sorry :) maybe there isnt any on freenode :) thanks
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