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01:53 < fmibot_> New commit by theseven (r647): iPod Classic: Raise Vcore by 25mV. Apparently we pushed it a bit too far.
01:53 < fmibot_> r647 build result: emcore: All green!
01:53 < fmibot_> r647 build result: embios: All green!
02:04 < fmibot_> New commit by theseven (r648): emCORE: Shave off 3 instructions from the innermost loop of the dithering code by doing saturation more cleverly
02:05 < fmibot_> r648 build result: emcore: All green!
02:05 < fmibot_> r648 build result: embios: All green!
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08:23 < JollyGood> I found a little weird bug
08:26 < JollyGood> every once in a while when I change the volume I suddenly cant hear music from the left speaker
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08:27 < JollyGood> it returns to stereo when I change the volume again
08:27 < kyle6513> Hello everyone. :)
08:29 < JollyGood> it happends randomly I couldn't figure out when
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08:39 < STeeF> TheSeven, I had an interesting lockup yesterday when connected by USB. Transferring files and suddenly disconnected than rockbox resumed to the main-menu and locked up (that is the scroll wheel does not work) the hold switch was working see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA9jh-Lo1aI for details
08:40 < kyle6513> perhaps the hardware un-initialized for some reason
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08:42 < STeeF> Something like that, maybe related to the lockups some people are facing
08:42 < STeeF> while playing
08:42 < kyle6513> perhaps, considering both are related to read/write
08:45  * kyle6513 wonders if I can print text to the nano 4g
08:45 < kyle6513> I completely went out of third person then ><
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08:52 < STeeF> Strange; for the record If you can not reset your iPod (not even after switching the hold button a few times) plugin in USB allows resetting!
08:52 < kyle6513> if you hold menu and centre it should reset the ipod
08:53 < kyle6513> with hold off
08:54 < kyle6513> I'm not sure why that wouldn't reset it considering, from what I understand, that works from the lowest level of the code on the processor
08:54 < kyle6513> perhaps your wheel has become...faulty?
08:54 < STeeF> Yep, but sometimes even that is lockup-ed
08:54 < kyle6513> that sure would explain a few things
08:54 < kyle6513> locked up? :P
08:54 < STeeF> nope my clickwheel is fine
08:55 < kyle6513> oh, okay, that sure is strange haha
08:56 < STeeF> other users reported the same thing, of Menu-Select reset doesn't work immediate switching the hold switch a few times enables/resets the clickwheel in hardware and Menu+Select reset comes available 
08:56 < STeeF> Menu-Select reset is controlled by hardware indeed
08:57 < STeeF> But my last lockup was extreem only able to reset after interting the USB cable :)
08:58 < kyle6513> ah okay.
08:58 < kyle6513> lets see if I cant cook something up for the nano4g in python, wish me luck
09:33 < kyle6513> anyone around know what you do with the pre-compiled ucl or bin files? embios doesn't detect my 4G
09:37 < kyle6513> running sudo python embios.py reset returns "no emBIOS device found!" Installed everything like libusb and pyusb
09:40 < kyle6513> also, someone forgot to put \n at the end of each print
09:42 < kyle6513> occurs on line 134 of embios.py
09:42 < STeeF> kyle6513, what do you have running on you nano4g?
09:42 < kyle6513> standard firmware
09:43 < STeeF> ok,
09:43 < kyle6513> I'll pull up the version number, give me a sec.
09:43 < kyle6513> wait, dont I need to dd the bin to my nano?
09:43 < STeeF> I own a classic but I guess the operation whould be the same
09:43 < kyle6513> 1.0.3 PC
09:44 < kyle6513> I should probably create a backup of the current drive
09:44 < kyle6513> can always restore it later
09:45 < STeeF> that's a wise thing to do
09:45 < kyle6513> not sure how to do that though...
09:48 < STeeF> I'll describe the procedure for the classic: 1. Put player in DFU mode 2. Upload a bootstrap.dfu image 3. Mount the UMSBoot 4. Upload an .ubi
09:48 < STeeF> that way you can get emCORE / iLoader installer running on the classic 
09:49 < STeeF> But for Nano_4G I think is not yet in that state, see http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Nano_4G for execution of code
09:49 < kyle6513> that was with ibugger I believe
09:50 < STeeF> yep
09:50 < STeeF> and use that to upload the emCORE
09:50 < kyle6513> ah
09:50 < STeeF> using the notes vulnerability
09:50 < STeeF> and nog using the Pwnage 2.0
09:50 < STeeF> *not
09:51 < kyle6513> huh, I was expecting something more along the lines of it would just dd the entire disk over, little more complicated than I expected :P
09:52 < STeeF> Thank Steve J for that one ;)
09:52 < kyle6513> I wouldn't thank him for anything :P
09:56 < kyle6513> maybe for providing robust hardware, everything else he's done...nah :P
10:21 < geek7> i'm not convinced the hardware is robust either ;p
10:22 < geek7> the the ipod/ipod classic managed to make the hard drive player almost extinct for almost all other bendoe
10:22 < geek7> vendors
10:48 < kyle6513> hmm good point :P
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11:51  * TheSeven wonders what happened to his build client
11:51 < TheSeven> it's just not there any more!
11:51 < kyle6513> files deleted?\
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11:53 < TheSeven> no, the process (including the screen session it was running in) just vanished!
11:55 < STeeF> TheSeven, did you see my 'crash-report': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA9jh-Lo1aI 
11:57  * TheSeven will look into tonight's log in a minute
11:57 < TheSeven> first i need to get that build client running again!
11:57 < STeeF> ok np; its taken with r29466 btw
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12:13 < kyle6513> perhaps it paniced and quit :P
12:19 < TheSeven> seems like that
12:20 < TheSeven> JollyGood (for the logs): This sounds like I2C instability. Maybe we should lower the bus clock.
12:22 < TheSeven> STeeF: your video sounds like the drivers are still working but the main thread is locked up, thus nobody is reacting to wheel events any more
12:24 < TheSeven> kyle6513: yeah, you still need to use ibugger to get emcore bootet
12:24 < TheSeven> booted*
12:25 < TheSeven> for me it's even worse
12:25 < TheSeven> emcore refuses to boot directly from ibugger for some reason, so i need to take the ibugger => embios => emcore way
12:25 < kyle6513> ah, so I take Ibugger, throw it on the ipod and boot emcore (the bin I assume?) and then I should be able to talk to the ipod?
12:26 < TheSeven> yep
12:26 < kyle6513> is ibugger in the svn? (just making sure since my coding laptop is sitting next to me off)
12:27 < TheSeven> no, it isn't
12:28 < TheSeven> you need the old snapshot: http://theseven.freemyipod.org/download/snapshot-201003100612-public.7z
12:28 < kyle6513> ah thanks
12:32 < bcoco85> i can confirm that with cpu boost enabled, i notice that stability has increased
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12:42 < TheSeven> bcoco85: that's why I disabled boosting in SVN
12:42 < TheSeven> or rather boosting support
12:42 < STeeF> TheSeven, what is the default cpu speed in SVN atm?
12:44 < TheSeven> SVN HEAD is fixed to 216MHz currently
12:45 < STeeF> so that means more power-consumption...
12:46 < TheSeven> yep, but more stability
12:47 < STeeF> indeed
12:47 < TheSeven> i'd estimate ~14hours runtime on the thick 160GB
12:47 < STeeF> So thats a loss of about 6 hours
12:48 < TheSeven> i don't think we've ever managed to reach 20h
12:48 < kyle6513> 20h is based on calculations
12:48 < kyle6513> not physical potential
12:49 < STeeF> I came to 17h with 20% left...
12:50 < kyle6513> that'd be something screwy with the voltage ect of the battery i'd say, no expert here though.
12:50 < kyle6513> or rather the amperage
12:50 < TheSeven> that would be ~35mA average
12:50 < STeeF> but never reached empty battery because I wanted to test a new RB-version and connected the USB...
12:51 < TheSeven> if the disk absolutely never spins, tha backlight is off, and you're not driving a lot of power into the headphones, that might be possible
12:51 < kyle6513> but of course, the disk would have to spin.
12:51 < kyle6513> unless you love the sound of white noise
12:52 < TheSeven> STeeF: what kind of music were you playing? especially which codec at which bitrate?
12:53 < STeeF> -42 dB sound volume, songs of about 2 hours mp3 128kb stereo 44100Hz, always on hold. 
12:54 < TheSeven> played in a loop?
12:54 < TheSeven> so that's 16 KB/s
12:54 < TheSeven> 20 hours * 16KB/s = ~2GB
12:55 < STeeF> played a playlist (basicly the contents of a directory) consisting of multiple tracks of about 2 hours each
12:55 < TheSeven> ah
12:55 < TheSeven> that's about 350 chunks of 60MB => 350 spinups
12:56 < TheSeven> each time reading 60MB, that accounts for about 4-5 seconds of the disk spinning
12:56 < TheSeven> during that time the disk needs ~200mA
12:56 < TheSeven> the disk spinup itself takes from 3-5 seconds, needing ~300mA
12:56 < TheSeven> so let's say 10 seconds of 250mA average * 350 times
12:57 < TheSeven> so roughly one hour disk spinning time => 250mAh
12:57 < TheSeven> the battery has like 750mAh => 500mAh left for the CPU
12:57 < TheSeven> makes an average of 25mA
12:57 < TheSeven> i don't think we've ever been that low
12:57 < bcoco85> and sound output power?
12:58 < STeeF> -42 dB sound volume
12:58 < kyle6513> not to mention the change in display, it might not have a backlight, but the screen is still there.
12:58 < bcoco85> i mean, how much output power takes
12:58 < bcoco85> i EAT battery at 0 dB
12:58 < STeeF> I don't know
12:59 < TheSeven> we're at 35-38mA for everything except the HDD and backlight currently while playing MP3, depending on the volume and audio data
13:00 < bcoco85> kyle6513 i was wondering if the screen is capable to be completely powered off while hold
13:00 < kyle6513> bcoco85, that would be possible afaik.
13:00 < kyle6513> although, I don't know much :)
13:01 < bcoco85> sorry im not english native speaker what means afaik
13:01 < bcoco85> ?
13:01 < kyle6513> as far as I know
13:01 < geek7>   as far as i know
13:01 < bcoco85> thanks!
13:01 < kyle6513> no problem :)
13:02 < bcoco85> other thing i was wondering, is if some colors takes different power. i mean
13:02 < kyle6513> yes
13:02 < bcoco85> a dark background consumes more
13:02 < bcoco85> or less
13:03 < kyle6513> black would take more than red green or blue I'd say
13:03 < bcoco85> but, there is no "transparent" colour
13:03 < kyle6513> but there is, its the blacklight, white.
13:04 < bcoco85> it draws white color
13:04 < bcoco85> look the edges of the lcd
13:04 < kyle6513> I thought white was just the absense of any colour
13:04 < kyle6513> in this case atleast.
13:05 < TheSeven> white == transparent == least power consumption
13:05 < bcoco85> thanks for the aclaration.
13:05 < kyle6513> thought so, so if we were displaying a completely black screen
13:05  * kyle6513 looks at rockbox
13:06 < kyle6513> we would be using more power
13:06 < TheSeven> bcoco85: you probably mean "clarification", just as a hint, no offense :)
13:06 < TheSeven> kyle6513: true, but the difference is neglegible
13:06 < kyle6513> but as I said, I assume it's such miniscule values that it wouldnt matter
13:06 < bcoco85> thanks for the aclarification hahah
13:06 < kyle6513> indeed TheSeven :)
13:08 < kyle6513> but lets be real here, who listens to their Ipod at -42 dB, or are we just trying to get a control here?
13:09 < bcoco85> im just now listening at -42dB +dithering
13:10 < kyle6513> I'm trying to get a grasp for -42d
13:10  * TheSeven wonders if dithering makes any difference
13:10  * STeeF listens to his iPod at -42 dB using my Sony MDR-v300
13:11 < TheSeven> i'm usually somewhere around -30..-20dB
13:11 < TheSeven> but that doesn't make much difference
13:11 < STeeF> If I use sennheiser inear I need a louder setup
13:11  * kyle6513 listens to his ipod at max most of the time because of loud motorways
13:11 < TheSeven> >-10dB makes a huge difference, everything below that not much
13:11 < TheSeven> kyle6513: and crappy headphones
13:12 < TheSeven> 0dB is *damn* loud with good ones
13:12 < kyle6513> Agreed, my senheissers broke :/
13:12 < TheSeven> STeeF: true, for >16Ohms, this is different of course
13:13 < bcoco85> TheSeven i notice a little more consistent basslines with AKG K240 MKII headphones
13:13 < STeeF> yep,
13:13 < bcoco85> with dither
13:14 < TheSeven> does dithering make an audible difference?
13:14 < TheSeven> i'm not sure if that setting is used at all currently :)
13:14 < bcoco85> not a real difference
13:14 < kyle6513> it would certainly add a few cycles to the cpu
13:15 < TheSeven> i'm not really sure what it actually dithers to be honest
13:15 < TheSeven> i know that the nano2g audio hardware has a dithering option, but AFAIK this is always enabled and not dependent on that setting
13:15 < bcoco85> little more quality
13:15 < TheSeven> and as long as you aren't using any software DSP, I don't see what should be dithered in software
13:16 < bcoco85> just littl
13:18 < bcoco85> you will notice better in low frequencies
13:20 < bcoco85> or maybe im just wrong, and its only placebo
13:21 < kyle6513> placebo is a nice band :)
13:23 < bcoco85> if you want differences  you have to set up compressor/equalizer
13:24  * geek7 listens to his ipod on between 3/4 to max volume...
13:25 < geek7> though, its barely powerful enough for what i use. my home rig tends to never go beyond 1/4 max
13:25 < bcoco85> (14:14:50) TheSeven: i'm not sure if that setting is used at all currently :) ===> this made me think.
13:26 < bcoco85> im doing some dithering tests
13:27 < bcoco85> with a heavy bass funk
13:30 < TheSeven> dithering will be most noticable on very silent parts of a track
13:30 < TheSeven> => big relative quantitization error
13:31 < kyle6513> geek7, with you there :)
13:33  * STeeF needed his usb cable again to reset its ipod :) Tonight updating to the latest rockbox version
13:35 < geek7> kyle6513: my home rig is a USB dac and headphones too
13:35 < geek7> nothing too fancy
13:36 < kyle6513> geek7, I'm set up with 5.1 surround at home so :P
13:37 < kyle6513> but anyway, thats offtopic :)
13:37 < geek7> i suppose ;p
13:39 < bcoco85> after some tests i notice more solid bassline
13:41 < TheSeven> [14:25] <geek7> though, its barely powerful enough for what i use. my home rig tends to never go beyond 1/4 max << then something is wrong with your home setup
13:42 < TheSeven> the volume dB in the ipod's sound settings are real dBV
13:42 < geek7> TheSeven: the home setup is much louder
13:42 < TheSeven> and it can drive 0dB without clipping
13:42 < TheSeven> yeah, but that means that it isn't properly calibrated
13:42 < geek7> or to put it another way, i can turn up the ipod the whole way up, as is, and it won't clip. 
13:43 < TheSeven> it should be at its maximum volume at 0dBV, and that's exactly what the ipod is outputting
13:43 < geek7> the home set up turned up 1/4 way up is AS LOUD
13:43 < bcoco85> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Hardware => in this page, there is hardware information regarding cpu/mem/sys
13:43 < TheSeven> if you go above +1dB on the iPod, it *will* clip, if the audio data uses the full dynamic range
13:43 < geek7> so, there's a valid reason for someone to need to turn up the volume
13:43 < bcoco85> i would like to see the sound caracteristics
13:43 < TheSeven> so there's either something wrong with your PA setup or with the audio data you're playing
13:44 < geek7> TheSeven: hm, we talking about volume levels, or DBFS?
13:44  * geek7 is suspecting we're on whole different chapters here
13:45 < TheSeven> i'm talking about both
13:45 < TheSeven> the input data should ideally use the full scale up to 0dBFS
13:46 < TheSeven> if the sample is 0dBFS and the volume is set to 0dB, the output will be 0dBV, which should be the maximum your power amp can drive without clipping
13:46 < geek7> the ipod can drive some headphones (in this case my audiotechnica M50) without distortion, and with sufficient volume for regular use, but not quite as loud as some other systems. 
13:46 < geek7> in the case of my home system, it isn't clipping that's the problem, its that its too loud
13:47 < bcoco85> maybe your home system imput gain is very high
13:47 < geek7> hmm
13:47 < geek7> yes, that might be what i was trying to say ;p
13:47 < TheSeven> well, if it's not clipping at all, it's just too powerful :)
13:47 < geek7> yes!
13:48 < TheSeven> the iPod can drive up to ~1dBV without clipping btw
13:48 < kyle6513> haha nothing wrong with something too powerful
13:48 < geek7> so, there's a valid reason for someone to have the volume up to -42 db, or as loud as you want
13:48 < kyle6513> its like buying a v12 car, sure its not legally allowed to go to its potential, but its nice to have it there :P
13:48 < geek7> kyle6513: well, i can use up to 300 ohm (iirc) headphones with it
13:48 < geek7> lol
13:48 < geek7> this has a few other nice things
13:48 < geek7>  but that's OT XD
13:49 < kyle6513> geek7, does this power supply happen to have a fan? :P
13:49  * TheSeven likes the performance of his 16Ohm sennheisers at 0dBV :)
13:49 < geek7> USB powered ;p
13:49 < geek7> (the nuforce udac 2)
13:49 < bcoco85> what are the ipodclassic ADC DAC, soundchip, etc ?
13:49 < geek7> hmm
13:49 < geek7> cirrus logic iirc
13:50 < kyle6513> usb powered, so thats 5v at a very low amperage afaik
13:50 < geek7> there was a bit of a fuss over it cause the old wolfson chips were supposed to be better, and people were doing utterly insane things to it
13:51 < geek7> kyle6513: wanna move the dac talk to #freemyipod-chatter ?
13:52 < TheSeven> it's using a Cirrus Logic CS42L55
13:52 < kyle6513> sure, although I'm working away on an assignment so :P
13:52 < TheSeven> running at 1.8V :)
13:52 < bcoco85> thanks theseve, googling it
13:52 < geek7> PMed a link to what i use then ;p
13:52 < kyle6513> ty
13:53 < TheSeven> bcoco85: http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/CS42L55_F1.pdf
13:53 < TheSeven> funny that it can drive +-1V with a 1.8V supply, heh?
13:54 < bcoco85> +12 to -102 dB in 0.5 dB steps
13:55 < TheSeven> that's the preamp
13:55 < TheSeven> HPxVOL is the interesting value
13:56 < TheSeven> and that's -60..+12dB in 1dB steps
13:57 < bcoco85> thanks i was just writing a question about that ;)
13:59 < TheSeven> see page 57
13:59 < TheSeven> pages 23, 26 and 27 are a nice overview of the signal paths
14:02 < kyle6513> sitting in 97*F 34*C temps here :c
14:04 < bcoco85> nice documentation. i would like to get someting like that for my audio interface, in order to write his ALSA driver.
14:06 < bcoco85> in page 15: "11. One-half LSB of triangular PDF dither is added to data."
14:30 < bcoco85> i found how to charge ipodclassis without mounting
14:32 < bcoco85> power status: discharging
14:32 < bcoco85> charger: present
14:32 < bcoco85> in info it says charging: false
14:32 < bcoco85> but is really charging. the battery level is increasing
14:34 < kyle6513> well
14:34 < kyle6513> unless theres a relay sort of thing that stops it
14:34 < kyle6513> how else would it charge when flat
14:34 < kyle6513> :3
14:36 < bcoco85> ?
14:38 < bcoco85> in this mode i can browse menus but cannot resume playback
14:38 < kyle6513> hmm, perhaps it's my flawed logic, but when you plug your Ipod into the port, it should charge the moment you plug it in. And unless theres something in the firmware that controls a sort of "relay" for the charging circuit then it should be charging from the moment it is connected to the moment its disconnected
14:39 < bcoco85> true
14:39 < bcoco85> it will mount the partition
14:39 < kyle6513> yeah
14:39 < bcoco85> i managed to charge ipod without mounting
14:40 < bcoco85> but cannot plaay
14:40 < kyle6513> why, what ipod?
14:40 < bcoco85> ipodclassic
14:40 < kyle6513> ah, is it a generic problem or something only you are facing/
14:42 < bcoco85> i dont know. i entered the debug menu -> battery info, into this menu, i connected the usb cable. it does not mount (i can browse rockbox menus) but no resume play. 
14:42 < bcoco85> i just dont know if this is the debug behavoiur
14:42 < kyle6513> hmm, not sure
14:42 < kyle6513> perhaps it is?
14:42 < kyle6513> to make the debugging of the battery proper it turns off anything non-essential
14:42 < kyle6513> I'm not sure, you may want to ask TheSeven.
14:52 < bcoco85> i tried to edit config (i think it access partition when setting something) and rockbox freezed
15:01 < kyle6513> eech
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15:08 < bcoco85> TheSeven can you put http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/CS42L55_F1.pdf in the hardware page (http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Hardware) ??
15:19 < TheSeven> [15:06] <bcoco85> in page 15: "11. One-half LSB of triangular PDF dither is added to data." << which certainly isn't controlled by that dithering option in the menu
15:20 < TheSeven> [15:30] <bcoco85> i found how to charge ipodclassis without mounting << holding menu while plugging in?
15:20 < TheSeven> [15:38] <bcoco85> in this mode i can browse menus but cannot resume playback << resuming playback should work as well
15:23 < TheSeven> [16:08] <bcoco85> TheSeven can you put http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/CS42L55_F1.pdf in the hardware page (http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Hardware) ?? << done
15:25 < bcoco85> thanks for all
15:26 < bcoco85> i didnt know that holding menu while plugging feature
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16:12 < bcoco85> this points to the latest iLoader ? http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-classic.ubi
16:14 < TheSeven> yes, to the latest embios-based release
16:14 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-ipodclassic.ubi is based on the newer emCORE architecture, but that's technically not iloader any more
16:15 < bcoco85> thanks. trying it.
16:15 < STeeF> TheSeven, http://builds.freemyipod.org/ contains the latests emCORE iLoader-installer for classic right?
16:16 < TheSeven> i'm not sure when that got updated the last time
16:16 < STeeF> That was my second question
16:16 < bcoco85> so, installer-classic is the "old", and "installer-ipodclassic" is the new
16:16  * TheSeven uploads a new one to the link he just posted
16:16 < STeeF> I guess because the emcore dir is only affected and not the iloader-installer
16:17 < TheSeven> done
16:17 < TheSeven> bcoco85: yes
16:18 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-ipodclassic.ubi is the most recent one we currently have
16:18 < bcoco85> ferpect
16:19 < STeeF> TheSeven, can you update http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Status because the Classic 1G has full Hard Drive support now.
16:19 < TheSeven> that's not true
16:19 < STeeF> hmm why not?
16:19 < TheSeven> the instructions are still for an old build that doesn't have ceata support
16:19 < STeeF> aha ok, that's true
16:20 < TheSeven> and i haven't really published emcore yet, as we don't have a sane way of uninstallation yet
16:20 < bcoco85> the directory /iLoader can be safely removed
16:21 < bcoco85> if using emCORE
16:27 < TheSeven> emcore doesn't use anything on the file system
16:27 < TheSeven> so you only need .rockbox and you data files of course
16:29 < bcoco85> i begin to understand
16:30 < user890104> TheSeven: what about syscfg's location on the nor flash when emcore is installed? is it possible to have it where apple put it, so diagmode won't show junk in the Status page?
16:30 < bcoco85> its confusing when you find installer-classic.ubi and installer-ipodclassic.ubi
16:30 < TheSeven> user890104: this would mean even more fragmentation
16:31 < TheSeven> and breaking compatibility with existing code
16:33 < user890104> how does OF find where syscfg is located?
16:33 < user890104> and diagmode doesn't
16:33 < bcoco85> i was thinking about creating a symbolic link in the file build server, something like "ln -s installer-classic.ubi iloader.ubi" and "ln -s installer-ipodclassic.ubi emcore.ubi"
16:34 < TheSeven> user890104: the OF doesn't use it directly
16:34 < TheSeven> diagmode is the only thing (besides the apple booloader that we're kicking out) that examines the info directly on the flash
16:38 < user890104> so there's no way to lie to it about the flash contents
16:38 < user890104> so the only way would be relocating the data on the flash and use apple's offset
16:40 < user890104> btw, http://builds.freemyipod.org/ is updated to include the latest installer builds for both nano2g and classic (with both emcore and rockbox ce-ata support, still no easy uninstall on ce-ata classics, others should be fine)
16:41 < TheSeven> well, the others need to be downgraded to uninstall, right?
16:42 < STeeF> user890104, good job!
16:44 < user890104> TheSeven: isn't there an uninstaller for the classics? i thought there's one included
16:45 < TheSeven> I don't think any emcore-based installer includes an uninstaller
16:45 < user890104> oh... my mistake then
16:46 < user890104> someone should put a notice on the page then, saying "these installer builds are not yet suitable for end-users"
16:46 < user890104> to avoid any confusions
16:47 < TheSeven> well, you can uninstall everything except ce-ata by downgrading
16:47 < TheSeven> and i'll hopefully get around to writing a proper uninstaller soon
16:49 < user890104> i'll try to finish my fuse-libusb work, or maybe implement the whole protocol in C in case someone wishes to write any software that interfaces with it
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16:50 < user890104> i'm having some troubles reading the directory entries, i don't understand the code that reads them
16:51 < user890104> i can get the entry's name, but then i get lost and can't find where the attributes/size/timestamps/etc are located
16:52 < user890104> http://pastebin.com/wi3n7s7d
16:53 < user890104> the values on the bottom are zeroed, because i still haven't managed to get them
16:54 < user890104> can someone help me with this one?
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16:57 < TheSeven> dang
16:58 < TheSeven> had a nother sudden hardlock after hours of playback
16:58 < TheSeven> and a holdswitch fluke
16:59 < TheSeven> user890104: "10 00 00 00" at the bottom are the attributes (only the directory bit being set)
16:59 < TheSeven> after that comes the size, which is zero for directories
17:00 < TheSeven> "83 ed 00 00 00 00 00 00" are the timestamps (no idea what they actually mean)
17:02 < GaveUp> pretty odd timestamp
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17:30 < JollyGood> hi guys
17:30 < Farthen> hi
17:30 < JollyGood> I took the new rockbox for a ride
17:31 < JollyGood> didn't have any crashes while listening to music (yet?)
17:32 < JollyGood> but it did get stuck once trying to load a song
17:33 < JollyGood> I don't know if it's the same problem as before
17:34 < JollyGood> I also came across something new and exciting
17:35 < JollyGood> (the old hang ups got a little old don't you think)  :P
17:36 < JollyGood> at some point it couldn
17:36 < JollyGood> at some point it couldn't load the songs
17:38 < JollyGood> it stayed in the wps but couldn't play or read the file properties
17:40 < JollyGood> I tried a few different songs, play/pause/back/forward. but only restart helped
17:41 < JollyGood> did it happen to anyone before or is it a new thing?
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17:54 < TheSeven> I once had something similar on boot
17:55 < TheSeven> CE-ATA seems to still be acting up sometimes
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18:10 < JollyGood> I have 3g
18:11 < JollyGood> CE-ATA is the big 1g ones right?
18:12 < TheSeven> yep
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20:26 < Stephen___> how quickly should rockbox transfer files to an ipodclassic ?
20:27 < Stephen___> got it installed btw TheSeven, thanks, i must have been doing something wrong in ubuntu
20:27 < TheSeven> Stephen___: ceata?
20:27 < Stephen___> yeah
20:27 < TheSeven> should be like 15MB/s via USB, 40MB/s locally on the ipod
20:28 < Stephen___> oh i see, it took longer to transfer the rockbox folder than the new radiohead album!
20:30 < Stephen___> hmmm cabbie has some yellowish lines through the backdrop of the wps 
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20:32 < Stephen___> not that I care, I'll be using my own wps. it's great after all these years to have rockbox on the classic!
20:32 < Stephen___> thanks TheSeven great work!
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23:38 < sidrom> not sure how this irc thing works, but i was wondering if you could use diy power supplies/adapters w/ipod classic once it has rockbox, or if that is a hardware issue
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