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14:06 < bcoco85> hi
14:07 < bcoco85> nobody knows that means WATERMARK in the Buffering Thread Debug ?
14:12 < Farthen> bcoco85: what are you talking about? rockbox?
14:14 < bcoco85> yes
14:15 < Farthen> then your question would probably be better suited for #rockbox
14:27 < TheSeven> bcoco85: it's the amount of bytes left in the PCM buffer that triggers CPU boosting
14:28 < bcoco85> im trying to find those frequently random freezes in an ipodclassic
14:28 < bcoco85> i found what is: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-12/0189.shtml
14:29 < bcoco85> its always al 40000
14:30 < bcoco85> i just wanna know if its a normal value
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14:33 < bcoco85> the last freezes
14:33 < bcoco85> i didnt noticed the HDDspinning
14:33 < bcoco85> and none of pcm alloc real usefl was empty
14:34 < bcoco85> hope this helps
14:40 < TheSeven> this basically tells me that it's not triggered by buffering
14:40 < TheSeven> so it must be something more generic
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14:43 < bcoco85> so, if it's not triggered by buffering
14:43 < bcoco85> where should i look?
14:43 < bcoco85> i/o ports? something in hw info¿?
14:44 < bcoco85> now im looking in audio dma
14:53 < bcoco85> (just to look somewhere)
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15:03 < bcoco85> TheSeven what do you suggest, where to look, what to look
15:07 < bcoco85> bye!
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19:06 < Evengard> Hello everyone
19:09 < Farthen> hu
19:09 < Farthen> *hi
19:10 < Evengard> I just would like to ask a question - I have an IPod nano 4G and some basic coding skills - is there any way to help the project to develop a port of RockBox to it?
19:11 < Farthen> do you have experience on embedded development?
19:11 < Evengard> Nope
19:12 < Farthen> at the moment we need people who reverse engineer the bootloader and write drivers
19:13 < Evengard> Is there any way I can help with that?
19:13  * GaveUp needs to find some local embedded dev courses to take
19:13  * Farthen took some courses from TheSeven for free ;)
19:15 < Evengard> Or at least can you give me a link with a guide me how to set up a developement-reverse engeneering environement to use with the nano 4G?
19:16 < Farthen> if you want to learn something about this stuff we would like to help you with questions, but it is hard and requires in-depth knowledge about how microcontrollers work. so it would take a lot of time to gather enough knowledge
19:17 < Evengard> I can at least try :)
19:18 < Farthen> do you know c?
19:18 < Evengard> More precisely C++
19:18 < Evengard> But it seems that it is not very different from C because it is based on
19:19 < Farthen> if you have some basic understanding of pointers/memory management etc. it would not be too hard to learn arm assembly, what would be the next thing you would need to do
19:20 < Evengard> I have some knoweldge about x86 assembly also
19:20 < Farthen> that's what you call "basic coding skills"? that's a lot more than most of the people have ;)
19:20 < Farthen> that makes it a lot easier
19:22 < Evengard> So if I reconnect today can we have a talk about that? From where to begin etc
19:22 < Farthen> which time zone do you live in?
19:22 < Evengard> GMT +4 (the new timezone of Moscow LOL)
19:23 < Farthen> great, so not that much of a shift
19:23 < Evengard> So goodbye, I will reconnect today I think
19:23 < Farthen> i'm gmt+2 since yesterday... but we will return to gmt+1 in half a year -.-
19:24 < Farthen> ok, looking forward to see you again... a helping hand would sure be helpful :)
19:24 < GaveUp> Farthen: i fear if I were to take TheSeven's courses I'd just end up a murder victim
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19:26 < Farthen> GaveUp: i understand that. pretty dangerous thing... i'm wondering why he didn't murder me yet.
19:27 < GaveUp> although that'd be my ideal situation...find someone knowledgable and, for lack of a better phrase, bug the hell out of them
19:28 < GaveUp> learn a lot more having a convo back and forth with an expert vs sitting in a classroom 
19:28  * Farthen already bugged more than hell out of him and is still not knowledgable enough at all
19:28 < GaveUp> but i guess there's so many fewer embedded guys you don't run in to those oppurtunities often
19:29 < Farthen> at least not so many people who are reverse engineering these things!
19:30 < GaveUp> what i'd like to do is be able to port the usbpic code for 360 nand flashes to an avr I have sitting around ... get me familiar with the embedded way with a practical project ... not so worried about arm specifically
19:30 < GaveUp> i wasn't talking specifically reversing ipods
19:30 < Farthen> i started with arm by building an egg timer ;)
19:31 < Farthen> *avr
19:31 < GaveUp> just in general...it's easy to find a programmer to act as a "mentor" ... not so much the case on the embedded side of things
19:31 < GaveUp> yeah i have avr code written that _should_ dump snes carts but I'll be damned if I can find a cart slot to wire it up and test
19:32 < Farthen> i didn't start with arduino btw. i did it the hard way and bought some attiny2313 and an isp programmer
19:32 < GaveUp> teensy here
19:33 < Farthen> but that should go to -chatter i think. 
19:33 < GaveUp> probably...but then the seven isn't here so he can't yell at us either :P
20:09 < TheSeven> I *am* here, and you cleverly avoided pinging me!
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21:36 < TheSeven> can anyone tell me which itunes process needed to be killed to prevent the ipod from booting from DFU to WTF?
21:37 < TheSeven> I think someone mentioned that during the last few days
21:49 < [Saint]> it's probably "AppleMobileDeviceService.exe"
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22:36 < TheSeven> [Saint]: do you happen to know what the exact device name of the apple DFU driver is as well?
22:37 < TheSeven> seems to be "Apple Recovery (DFU) USB Driver" judging from the inf file
22:52 < TheSeven> can anybody please help me make this thing idiot proof?
22:52 < TheSeven> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation
22:52 < TheSeven> only the ipod classic windows part is done so far
22:53 < TheSeven> can anyone with an english windows system please verify all the button and option names that turn up in the instructions
22:53 < TheSeven> oh, and some step-by-step "click here" screenshots of the driver installation part might be very helpful as well
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23:03 < TheSeven> this wizard thing is going to double the page count of the wiki :)
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