--- Log opened Wed Mar 30 00:11:11 2011
00:11 < geek7> TheSeven: 2 months. then there was a power out. and it hasn't ACTUALLY formatted yet
00:11 < TheSeven> geek7: you know that this is the best way to cause even more damage to the drive?
00:12 < geek7> TheSeven: *g* yeah, but i was curious if it would EVER end. ... and i sort of forgot.
00:12 < geek7> but no, after the power went out, i decided it wasn't worth the effort
00:12 < TheSeven> you should do a proper lowlevel sector scan
00:12 < TheSeven> and if there
00:12 < geek7> with what?
00:12 < TheSeven> i have a tool for that
00:12 < TheSeven> can try to get that going tomorrow
00:13 < geek7> i'd be happy to use that. windows, or linux ;p
00:13 < TheSeven> ipod-side :)
00:13 < TheSeven> it will run autonomously
00:13 < geek7> ahh
00:13 < TheSeven> and if there's one big damaged region at the end, i wouldn't bother even scanning it in detail
00:13 < geek7> i'll have to give you a poke once i've retrieved it from the office
00:13 < TheSeven> just map it out completely and lose a gig or two
00:13 < geek7> (only linux box i have available without rebooting is there.)
00:13 < TheSeven> if the rest is mostly intact, this will be easy
00:14 < TheSeven> the problem with my drive is that the damage is scattered all over the drive
00:14 < TheSeven> that's a lot harder to figure out
00:15 < TheSeven> my emcore and rockbox releases are capable of fixing HDD trouble transparently on the software side
00:15 < TheSeven> the file system won't even see that there's damage on the underlying media
00:16 < TheSeven> well, assuming that the defects don't grow
00:29 < geek7> which is possible.
00:29 < geek7> hmm
00:29 < geek7> dropped or old age related damage?
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12:05 < TheSeven> geek7: no idea. someone donated it in that state
12:05 < geek7> ahh
12:06 < TheSeven> fuck it. something's corrupting kernel memory :/
13:29  * TheSeven is annoyed enough to implement a UART-based synchronous debug logger
13:33 < [Saint]> Nothing gets tools implemented quite like the annoyance a nasty bug gives...
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17:15 < ParadisoShlee> Hey
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18:43 < sgMan> Can you install iPodLinux on the current version of EmCORE/iLoader?
18:43 < TheSeven> no, there is no ipodlinux for those devices
18:44 < sgMan> How do you use an emcoreapp
18:45 < TheSeven> you can run it via the usb debugging interface, or add it to the boot benu
18:45 < TheSeven> menu*
18:45 < sgMan> how to add it to the boot menu?
18:46 < TheSeven> once i get rid of those nasty kernel bugs i'm hunting down currently i might write a file browser that allows you to start arbitrary things
18:46 < TheSeven> sgMan: this currently means changing and recompiling the boot menu app
18:46 < TheSeven> or you can replace it altogether by directly running your app instead of it
18:46 < TheSeven> emcore will run /.boot/init.emcoreapp on boot
18:46 < sgMan> how do i find that file?
18:47 < TheSeven> which file?
18:47 < sgMan> the folder .boot
18:47 < TheSeven> that doesn't exist by default
18:47 < TheSeven> it's just a regular folder on the hdd
18:47 < sgMan> do I add it to the rockbox volume or the UMSboot volume
18:48 < TheSeven> to the hard drive, which you see if you connect your ipod in rockbox
18:48 < sgMan> ok thanks
18:48 < TheSeven> may I ask what you are planning to do? :)
18:49 < sgMan> I just want to use the fastboot with emCORE, which i've already installed
18:50 < sgMan> i just installed it, works great, thanks
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19:15 < ParadisoShlee> TheSeven: Any solution with my glitchy lcd issue?
19:15 < TheSeven> did you try that resetvoltages thing?
19:16 < ParadisoShlee> Yeah. That worked. but the higher voltage cannot be good :)
19:17 < TheSeven> well, it hurts battery life
19:17 < TheSeven> but if your cpu needs more power, we need to give it to it
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19:28 < ParadisoShlee> The glitchiness only effects the EMcore. Rockbox seems to work fine.
19:29 < TheSeven> yes, decoding PNG images seems to be stressing the CPU a lot
19:29 < TheSeven> i've seen the same behavior on several different devices
19:30 < TheSeven> the rest seems to work fine with occasional random crashes, and the PNG unfiltering code reproducibly fucks up the colors, producing that rainbowish thing
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19:43 < GaveUp> is "thing" the technical term? ;)
19:46 < ParadisoShlee> I actually really like the rainbowish thing.
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20:43 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r681): emCORE boot menu for iPod Classic: Fix a graphics glitch
20:43 < fmibot> r681 build result: emcore: All green!
20:43 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r682): emCORE: Make some local variables static
20:43 < fmibot> r682 build result: emcore: All green!
20:44 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r683): emCORE: Disable undervolting on iPod Classic. This needs more stability testing.
20:44 < fmibot> r683 build result: emcore: All green!
20:45 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r684): emCORE: Implement UART console on iPod Classic
20:45 < fmibot> r684 build result: emcore: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano3g, ipodnano4g, ipodclassic (theseven commited)
20:45 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r685): emCORE: Const correctness
20:45 < fmibot> r685 build result: emcore: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano3g, ipodnano4g, ipodclassic (theseven commited)
20:46 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r686): libui: Fix chooser mutex not being unlocked before being destroyed
20:46 < fmibot> r686 build result: emcore: Red for targets ipodnano2g, ipodnano3g, ipodnano4g, ipodclassic (theseven commited)
20:46 < TheSeven> urgh. red.
20:47 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r687): emCORE: Fix red (commit missing files)
20:47 < fmibot> r687 build result: emcore: All green!
20:52 < fmibot> New commit by theseven (r688): emCORE: Fix thread destruction being interrupted
20:53 < fmibot> r688 build result: emcore: All green!
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22:01 < butthurt> Can someone help me?
22:02  * TheSeven 's crystal ball failed to guess what the question is
22:02 < butthurt> how can i delete f**kin emcore from my ipod classic 120 gb
22:02  * TheSeven shoves butthurt to #freemyipod-support for that kind of question
22:04 < butthurt> i didn't find instruction to delete this loader, what can i make to restore my ipod to previous state
22:04 < TheSeven> this is the wrong channel
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22:05 < butthurt> ok, what channel is right?
22:05 < TheSeven> i just told you
22:05 < butthurt> what?
22:05 < teuf> 00:02  * TheSeven shoves butthurt to #freemyipod-support for that kind of  question
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22:06 < butthurt> i didn't use irc, i cannot into another channel that i enter
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22:07 < TheSeven> you could read the "Contact" page on the wiki and choose the right link
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22:12 < DarkStar> I know emCORE is still extremely new, but does anyone have a simple overview of how to install it on an iPod Nano 2nd Generation? I've used and installed iLoader successfully, so it's not entirely new to me.
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22:14 < TheSeven> DarkStar: if you have the latest iloader version (which has a umsboot option), you can use that
22:15 < TheSeven> boot into umsboot, download installer-ipodnano2g.ubi and drop it in there, safely eject etc.
22:15 < DarkStar> Yeah? Awesome, guess I'll install that first to this iPod then. I had it on my old one, but the flash is fried.
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22:15 < DarkStar> Is it really beneficial to more than developers? I can't really find a lot of info on it. :s
22:16 < TheSeven> DarkStar: It doensn't offer much new functionality to the usual nano2g user
22:16 < TheSeven> that's why nobody has bothered writing instructions yet
22:17 < DarkStar> That makes sense I suppose, haha. Might as well upgrade regardless in prep for future updates.
22:17 < TheSeven> but in the long term, i want to have it replace embios/iloader completely to hopefully reduce support questions
22:17 < TheSeven> what's up with the flash of that ipod btw?
22:18 < DarkStar> No idea, been fucked for quite some time. It doesn't retain any data after the battery dies (or if it isn't actively used in a while.)
22:19 < TheSeven> does it have embios installed?
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22:19 < TheSeven> and what exactly are the symptoms?
22:19 < DarkStar> Yep. Though that often crashes along with the data loss, making me reinstall everything or restore in iTunes.
22:20 < DarkStar> It varies widely really. Basically the flash storage just dumps or corrupts all the data every so often. The partitions become unreadable and Gparted sees it as a "damaged drive."
22:21 < TheSeven> but nandfsck doesn't complain at boot time?
22:21 < TheSeven> that's funny
22:21 < DarkStar> It has quite a few times actually, forgot about that.
22:21 < DarkStar> It doesn't repair though.
22:21 < TheSeven> can you remember one of its error messages?
22:21 < DarkStar> Just shouts a warning and walks away. ^-^
22:21 < DarkStar> I can see if i can trigger it for you, hang on.
22:22 < TheSeven> did it complain about i/o errors, or just some structural problem?
22:22 < TheSeven> it might be worthwhile to try erasing the entire flash
22:22 < TheSeven> if it's just some corrupted metadata that's making it go nuts that might actually fix it
22:23 < DarkStar> I've had it completely wiped a few times. dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdb
22:23 < TheSeven> that doesn't really wipe it
22:23 < TheSeven> what i suspect is that some flash translation layer metadata is corrupted
22:23 < DarkStar> Hmm.
22:23 < DarkStar> Possibly.
22:24 < TheSeven> if you have embios anyway, you can easily try that
22:24 < DarkStar> Just plugged it in, driver recognition issues from win7 and "Could not load iLoader theme."
22:24 < TheSeven> sounds good :)
22:24 < DarkStar> Would sound better if it ever made it past that with restoration efforts.
22:25 < TheSeven> judging from the dd command above, you have access to a linux box?
22:25 < DarkStar> "Enter disk mode" simply crashes and forces a reboot.
22:25 < DarkStar> I do.
22:25 < TheSeven> svn co -r 670 http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools
22:25 < DarkStar> Not on it right now, but I do have several.
22:25 < DarkStar> 'sec, I'll download it to my server and copy it.
22:26 < TheSeven> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyusb/files/PyUSB%201.0/1.0.0-alpha-0/pyusb-1.0.0-a0.tar.gz/download
22:26 < TheSeven> install that pyusb package into python 2.6/2.7
22:27 < TheSeven> and then you can access a debugging interface by running sudo python embios.py
22:27 < DarkStar> Oh, err. That /will/ require physical access to a 'nix box, this isn't my laptop. Be right back.
22:28 < DarkStar> mk, back. My netbook's booting now.
22:29 < TheSeven> once you're set, run the following command:
22:29 < TheSeven> sudo python embios.py ipodnano2g_wipenand /tmp/wipelog
22:29 < TheSeven> this should take like 5 to 30 seconds depending on the ipod model
22:30 < TheSeven> the ipod should be sitting in the iloader menu (or that "no theme" error message) during that
22:30 < TheSeven> once it's done, try booting disk mode again
22:30 < DarkStar> svn: '/!svn/bc/688/embios/trunk/tools' not found.. :S
22:31 < DarkStar> http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools 404's
22:31 < TheSeven> yes, that's why the -r 670 is there
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22:31 < DarkStar> It's in the command as well mate. :P
22:31 < TheSeven> yep
22:32 < TheSeven> but that's why the link 404's
22:32 < DarkStar> Oh, mk.
22:32 < TheSeven> and i actually get the same error, still investigating why...
22:33 < TheSeven> http://svn.freemyipod.org/!svn/bc/670/embios/trunk/tools/ works, and I have no clue why it's ignoring the revision number
22:33 < DarkStar> hrm.
22:34 < TheSeven> svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools@670 seems to work better
22:34 < DarkStar> yeh, and SVN is throwing /bc/688, so maybe -r is going by the literal index and not the build?
22:35 < TheSeven> well, according to svn help co it should work that way
22:36 < DarkStar> ... damn Bash. It's taking ! as a bang and not a part of the url.
22:36 < TheSeven> did you try this one? svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/embios/trunk/tools@670
22:37 < DarkStar> Oh, whoops! LOL.
22:37 < DarkStar> That did the trick.
22:37 < DarkStar> I'll download that PyUSB bit now.
22:40 < DarkStar> Command's sitting in my entry, do I need to do anything on the nano first?
22:42 < TheSeven> boot it into emcore and connect it via usb
22:42 < DarkStar> This one is running emBIOS w/ iLoader.
22:42 < DarkStar> Well.. aparently not so much with iLoader.
22:42 < TheSeven> doesn't matter, it's just embios that's needed :)
22:43 < DarkStar> mmk
22:43 < DarkStar> 'The device does not support this command.'
22:43 < TheSeven> sounds like that embios version is rather old?
22:43 < TheSeven> which revision number did it detect?
22:43 < DarkStar> 206
22:44 < TheSeven> ouch
22:44 < TheSeven> you should probably download http://builds.freemyipod.org/embios/target/ipodnano2g/embios-ipodnano2g-r672.bin
22:44 < DarkStar> Yeh, it's been sitting in a drawer for a while.
22:44 < DarkStar> dd if of right?
22:44 < TheSeven> then run the following command:
22:44 < TheSeven> sudo python embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 embios-ipodnano2g-r672.bin
22:45 < DarkStar> Or that, that works too. Haha
22:45 < TheSeven> that one doesn't need a working flash :)
22:45 < TheSeven> and it just boots it from RAM, without touching the installed version
22:45 < TheSeven> did that work?
22:45 < TheSeven> if yes, try the other command again
22:45 < DarkStar> Running. ;D
22:46 < DarkStar> o/ NAND.
22:46 < DarkStar> Contents wiped. You want the wipelog?
22:46 < TheSeven> just try running disk mode now
22:46 < DarkStar> er, nvm it's empty.
22:46 < DarkStar> Alright.
22:46 < TheSeven> it's a binary file
22:47 < TheSeven> and it should contain all-zeroes if everything worked fine
22:47 < DarkStar> cat /tmp/wipelog returns nothin'. ;P
22:47 < TheSeven> that's to be expected
22:47 < DarkStar> mmk.
22:47 < DarkStar> Disk mode works now, awesome!
22:48 < TheSeven> now unplug it
22:48 < TheSeven> download installer-ipodnano2g-whatever.ubi
22:48 < TheSeven> and run this:
22:49 < TheSeven> sudo python embios.py runfirmware 0x08000000 installer-ipodnano2g-*.ubi
22:49 < TheSeven> that should update it to emcore and partition and format the flash again
22:49 < DarkStar> oi, where do I find the ubi file?
22:50 < TheSeven> you already used that file :)
22:50 < TheSeven> http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20110325/installer-ipodnano2g-r674-20110325.ubi
22:51 < DarkStar> I may've used it in the past, but I certainly haven't today. Haha.
22:51 < TheSeven> that depends on your time zone :)
22:51 < DarkStar> * past 24-hrs.
22:52 < TheSeven> [00:15] <@TheSeven> boot into umsboot, download installer-ipodnano2g.ubi and drop it in there, safely eject etc.
22:52 < TheSeven> [00:15] <DarkStar> Yeah? Awesome, guess I'll install that first to this iPod then. I had it on my old one, but the flash is fried.
22:52 < DarkStar> ^ Before I got to that, I mentioned this other half-fried iPod, haha.
22:52 < TheSeven> ah, that might explain it :)
22:53 < DarkStar> :P
22:53 < DarkStar> Anyways, it seems functional. The new emBIOS looks really slick.
22:53 < DarkStar> or rather core, it seems.
22:53 < TheSeven> yep
22:53 < TheSeven> it has evolved quite a bit :)
22:54 < TheSeven> now boot rockbox and extract a build of your choice :)
22:54 < DarkStar> It's freezing for some reason. :S
22:55 < DarkStar> if I scroll all the way to the right, then all the way to the left, it freezes as I hover Rockbox again.
22:55 < TheSeven> that's caused by one of the bugs i'm hunting currently
22:56 < TheSeven> but it's pretty much random
22:56 < DarkStar> Aha, i see. Well those series of actions triggers it every time.
22:56 < DarkStar> *on this device.
22:56 < TheSeven> that's interesting as it doesn't for me :)
22:56 < TheSeven> seems to be related to some kind of memory corruption :/
22:57 < DarkStar> Unfun. ;( Well good luck tracking it down.
22:57 < DarkStar> FTL just popped up when I hard-rebooted btw.
22:57 < TheSeven> repeatedly launching and killing the boot menu via that usb interface makes it do even more funky things
22:57 < TheSeven> hm, it should only do that if you did write some data to the flash during the previous boot
22:58 < DarkStar> If I did, it wasn't intentional. Haha
22:58 < TheSeven> but as long as it succeeded, everything should be fine
22:58 < TheSeven> the boot menu certainly doesn't write anything
22:58 < DarkStar> Yeah it did. Alright, sweet, I guess this iPod is more or less restored for now. ;D
22:59 < TheSeven> if it starts acting up again if you put some more data on it, you might want to try wiping it once again, dd'ing /dev/random to it in disk mode, reading everything back to /dev/null, and then dd'ing /dev/random to it once again
23:00 < TheSeven> it might find a few more bad blocks that way
23:00 < TheSeven> if you hit i/o problems during the readback it should have flagged some blocks internally
23:00 < DarkStar> Hmm, alright I'll try to remember that. That's essentially what I tried in the past.
23:02 < TheSeven> yeah, but that'll only help if the metadata is intact
23:02 < TheSeven> and so far every ipod that was behaving that way had actually corrupted metadata and not bad blocks
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23:03 < DarkStar> Hmm, right on then. Thanks again for the help. :)
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23:31 < DarkStar> :S
23:31 < DarkStar> That other iPod nano, "No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it."
23:36 < TheSeven> DarkStar: which one?
23:36 < DarkStar> 2nd gen, 4gb. not the one with the NAND issues.
23:36 < DarkStar> It seems to be running emCORE without the menu graphics. :S
23:37 < TheSeven> that would be very strange
23:37 < TheSeven> that "no partition found" message is from rockbox, not emcore
23:37 < DarkStar> Hm.
23:37 < DarkStar> Well all the same all I'm seeing is "emCORE v0.2.0 r674"
23:38 < TheSeven> not good at all
23:39 < DarkStar> As what I thought. I think I have it in emCORE Console mode, but the python script is just bailing.
23:39 < TheSeven> this probably means that it has locked up while parsing some flash metadata
23:39 < TheSeven> you need to use the emCORE script for it
23:39 < TheSeven> svn co http://svn.freemyipod.org/emcore/trunk/tools
23:39 < DarkStar> Oh? I didn't know there was a new one, haha.
23:39 < DarkStar> Alright.
23:40 < DarkStar> Should I wipe the nand?
23:40 < TheSeven> it locks up reproducibly?
23:40 < DarkStar> Every reboot.
23:40 < TheSeven> then you don't really have a different choice
23:40 < DarkStar> Like I said it seems functional but with no gui.
23:41 < TheSeven> wipe the nand, run disk mode to re-create the metadata, then re-run the installer to repartition it
23:41 < DarkStar> .. ruhroh! emcore.py is bailing with the same error.
23:41 < TheSeven> which error?
23:41 < DarkStar> Hang on, it's a console height long.
23:41 < TheSeven> you should probably throw it into a pastebin then
23:42 < DarkStar> pastebin.com/J8mz9Ldp
23:44  * TheSeven really likes those :(
23:45 < TheSeven> I'm not really sure what's going on there, but it seems to only happen on linux systems
23:45 < DarkStar> Pastebins or WTFerrors?
23:45 < DarkStar> Hurray. I'll try installing Python on this netbook, I'm sure my friend will forgive me.
23:46 < TheSeven> this seems to be some weird reaction from the linux kernel triggered by weird behavior of the ipod
23:46 < TheSeven> you might want to try recovery mode, but that's a bit of a hack
23:46 < DarkStar> Recovery mode on an iPod nano? O_o
23:47 < TheSeven> yes, we've implemented a small bootloader stub to allow fixing broken firmware
23:47 < DarkStar> Ah, clever. Thought you meant something Apple put in.
23:47 < TheSeven> you can enter that by locking the hold switch *immediately* after resetting
23:48 < TheSeven> however that won't help much as an emcore build that's uploaded that way will probably fail the same way as the installed build
23:48 < TheSeven> i'm still wondering what would make it lock up in that state and at the same time screw usb connectivity
23:48 < DarkStar> Speaking of fail, should I be seeing anything in "Recovery mode" ?
23:49 < DarkStar> nvm
23:49 < TheSeven> yes, there should be some "emCORE Loader v.something\n\nEntered recovery mode" screen
23:49 < TheSeven> if you are *too* fast, it will just stay off
23:49 < DarkStar> was hitting hold as it dimmed, haha
23:49 < DarkStar> Ye.
23:49 < TheSeven> like maybe 200 milliseconds later should work
23:49 < DarkStar> No device found. (N)
23:50 < TheSeven> in that broken emcore state?
23:50 < DarkStar> In "recovery mode."
23:50 < TheSeven> oh
23:50 < TheSeven> it should show up in lsusb though
23:50 < TheSeven> this needs yet another tool :)
23:50 < TheSeven> embiosldr.py
23:50 < DarkStar> xD
23:50 < TheSeven> er, emcoreldr.py of course .)
23:51 < TheSeven> however, as I said, that won't buy us much
23:51 < DarkStar> Should I do ..ldr.py run <that emcore file> ?
23:52 < TheSeven> you can try, but that probably won't buy us much as i'd expect it to run into the same trouble
23:52 < TheSeven> you can also try launching the installer UBI using that
23:52 < TheSeven> if none of this helps, i can make an emcore build that doesn't even try to mount the flash tomorrow
23:53 < TheSeven> I need to go to sleep, it's ~2am over here...
23:54 < DarkStar> Reasonably so. Both files didn't work anyways, it's still locking up on emCORE.
23:54 < DarkStar> Thanks again though, I might not be able to get on till late tomorrow unless I can score a drop in school.
23:54 < DarkStar> Staying into the night for a fundraising activity.
23:54 < TheSeven> so the installation worked? (the first time)
23:55 < DarkStar> Oi, yeah when i installed iLoader it worked.
23:55 < TheSeven> apparently you also got into the emcore boot menu at least once? (judging from that rockbox message)
23:55 < TheSeven> and then after that it didn't want to boot any more?
23:55 < DarkStar> I can still load rockbox.
23:55 < DarkStar> i just don't have a gui!
23:55 < TheSeven> huh? how?
23:55 < DarkStar> Holding select for a few seconds.
23:55 < TheSeven> aha
23:55 < DarkStar> Sometimes it works.
23:55 < DarkStar> Sometimes it doesn't and requires a reboot.
23:55 < TheSeven> so that means that it's acutally the LCD that's freaking out :)
23:56 < TheSeven> that's good news.
23:56 < TheSeven> i'll have a closer look tomorrow
23:56 < DarkStar> Alright.
23:56 < DarkStar> I'll take advantage of this little break for now, haha. I might load this up and use it tomorrow.
23:57 < TheSeven> right, you have another working one :)
23:57 < DarkStar> If you think of anything tomorrow while I'm at classes, wanna email me?
23:57 < DarkStar> scottstamp851@gmail.com - I might be able to get it on my phone.
23:58 < TheSeven> i'll be back in about ~16 hours
23:58 < DarkStar> mmk
23:58 < TheSeven> and if you aren't there i'll probably poke at the bug i'm currently hunting until you show up
23:58 < DarkStar> Alright. Like I said I'll probably be on this time tomorrow night.
23:58 < DarkStar> or later..
23:58 < TheSeven> we'll probably need to try a dozen things interactively regarding that LCD
23:58 < DarkStar> Understandably.
23:59 < TheSeven> the clocking we're using on those nowadays is rather insane :)
23:59 < TheSeven> maybe a bit too insane :P
23:59 < DarkStar> haha!
23:59 < DarkStar> Well unfortunately it seems to be completely locked now.
23:59 < TheSeven> the CPU can barely keep up with the LCD eating data
23:59 < DarkStar> (N)
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