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00:21 < Farthen> TheSeven: do we need a bugtracker?
00:21 < TheSeven> I think for now a wiki page should do
00:22 < TheSeven> but it certainly isn't a bad idea
00:22 < Farthen> at least a public bug collection somewhere would be good
00:22 < Farthen> otherwise we can't tell user890104 what to fix :-P
00:22 < TheSeven> considering the channel mapping issue, i'd propose the following guidelines:
00:23 < TheSeven> #freemyipod: everything related to development or the project in general. also things like bug reports or helping with non-standard use cases. so basically everything that others might want to read in the logs.
00:25 < TheSeven> #freemipod-support: helping with the usual well known issues, which repeat themselves over and over, to keep the logs of #freemyipod short. this is logged separately to allow other people who are experiencing problems to find the instructions.
00:26 < TheSeven> #freemyipod-chatter: everything completely unrelated to the project, such as socializing, swearing or asking questions about completely unrelated software (questions about e.g. how to use IDA belong to #freemyipod instead), mocking about people in the support channel, ... (this channel *isn't* logged)
00:26 < Farthen> does ranting about #freemyipod-support count as related or unrelated?
00:26  * TheSeven just answered that
00:27 < Farthen> not really
00:27 < TheSeven> if it's ranting about an specific issue causing trouble and proposing a fix for it, it's #freemyipod
00:27 < Farthen> it could be swearing but it could also evolve into a discussion
00:28 < TheSeven> if it's ranting about people just being dumb, this is #freemyipod-chatter
00:28 < TheSeven> of course, this should switch dynamically if it drifts into another direction
00:29 < TheSeven> so if someone proposes a fix for some instructions or procedures, or ask why some fix isn't possible, that should move to #freemyipod even if the discussion started as a general rant in #freemyipod-chatter
00:29 < TheSeven> guys, I *know* you can handle that and decide this on the fly
00:55 < user890104> what do i need to change in my C apps to qualify for adding them to the project's SVN?
00:57 < TheSeven> which apps are you talking about? the dfu or fuse thing?
01:00 < user890104> the dfu is more useful, the fuse thing is still a proof-of-concept
01:00 < user890104> but i can add at least read-only access to files (it lists dirs fine at the moment)
01:02 < user890104> i was actually thinking about if it would be easier to upload the bootstrap for the classics installation with a C program (precompiled for example) than installing python/pyusb and using the script
01:02 < user890104> (on linux of course)
01:26 < TheSeven> i generally assume that linux users are capable of handling python
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01:26 < TheSeven> but if you want to provide such a tool, i won't object of course :)
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01:34 < user890104> what about credits/licenses/etc.? i saw that all files that are part of the project have a similar message/disclaimer, but i don't know what would be suitable for my work
01:34 < TheSeven> I don't really care as long as it's GPLv2+
01:34 < TheSeven> let me have a look at libipoddfu
01:34 < user890104> actually, i haven't published any code written by me yet
01:35 < TheSeven> hm, one of the old ones with "TheSeven's iPod tools" in the header... should probably be changed to freemyipod.org tools or something
01:35 < user890104> i'm using a crc32 code in my dfu tool, which has the proper credits
01:36 < TheSeven> itunesdfu is labeled "emCORE", that's not really correct either
01:36 < TheSeven> i wouldn't really care about crc32
01:36 < TheSeven> that's so small, throw it away and rewrite it, or copy it from me
01:36 < TheSeven> i probably have very similar code in itunesdfu.c
01:37 < TheSeven> i mean, it's like 10 lines of c code...
01:37 < TheSeven> I also don't really care if you put your nickname or real name into the copyright header
01:41 < user890104> are there any coding style guidelines i should know?
01:42 < TheSeven> we don't really have our own, but there are some basic rules of sanity :P
01:43 < TheSeven> as we have cherrypicked a lot of code from rockbox, roughly following their coding style seems to make sense
01:43 < TheSeven> i.e. indent with 4 spaces, no tabs anywhere except for makefiles, { and } have their own line, ...
01:44 < TheSeven> i usually try to keep line lengths below 100 characters. more is hardly readable, but 80 (like rockbox asks for) is not really reasonable as well
01:45 < TheSeven> in contrast to rockbox I usually prefer //-style comments, to allow for easy commenting out of a block of code for testing purposes
01:45 < TheSeven> so as a general rule: try to roughly follow the existing code's style for consistency
01:46 < TheSeven> i'm also trying to finally move things to \n line endings consistently
01:46 < TheSeven> but there are still some files using \r\n, and some are even mixed
01:49 < user890104> i have read somewhere that // comments are C++ style, not C (that's why i changed them all over the code)
01:49 < TheSeven> which doesn't really matter to anyone
01:49 < TheSeven> the compilers accept it, so that's fine with me
01:50 < TheSeven> i have absolutely no idea why some people seem to dislike them
01:51 < TheSeven> once that DFU thing is done, would you consider getting involved in emcore app-layer development? i.e. fixing some things in the boot menu, writing a credits app, or similar tasks...
01:52 < user890104> as i said maybe an year or more ago - i'd be happy to help the project in any possible way
01:52 < TheSeven> yeah, but it's absolutely your own choice in which area you want to do that
01:53 < TheSeven> and i think getting used to the application layer is the best way to maybe get into kernel development one day
01:53 < TheSeven> see the #freemyipod-chatter discussion from some hours ago
01:53 < user890104> i have started writing pc-side applications because i find it easier to debug
01:54 < user890104> but with some more practice, i might be able to write device-side applications as well
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02:30 < user890104> i've made some changes to the code layout of the dfu tool, you can have a look at it and tell me if i've missed something
02:31  * user890104 is going to sleep
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10:25 < Tom_Sawyer[GameO> well, it seems to work nicely thus far
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10:25 < Tom_Sawyer> only issue is a random crash when syncing with the computer
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10:27 < Tom_Sawyer> hmm net drop
10:27 < Tom_Sawyer> seems to be working well thus far
10:27 < Tom_Sawyer> only issue is a random crash when syncing with the computer
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21:01 < fmibot> New commit by user890104 (r693): ipoddfu_c: initial import
21:02 < fmibot> r693 build result: emcore: All green!
21:08 < Farthen> user890104: it compiles for you? i get "usb.c:49:2: error: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘ssize_t’"
21:09 < user890104> STeeF has also noted that it needs to be casted, however it compiles for me
21:09 < user890104> let me update the files once again, because i've pushed the wrong ones
21:10 < Farthen> ok
21:10 < Farthen> casting it to an int fixes it
21:11 < user890104> i'll include this
21:14 < fmibot> New commit by user890104 (r694): ipoddfu_c: upload the correct files, fix a compile error
21:14 < user890104> it should be fine now
21:15 < fmibot> r694 build result: emcore: All green!
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21:17 < Farthen> it does, thanks
21:28 < user890104> there's one thing in both versions that should be cleared up - there's no way to choose which device do you want to send data to, if there are multiple supported ipods connected
21:29 < user890104> the same is valid for libemcore, also my libusb+fuse project
21:31 < TheSeven> oh, we have a new committer? :)
21:31 < TheSeven> [23:08] <Farthen> user890104: it compiles for you? i get "usb.c:49:2: error: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘ssize_t’" << strange compiler. that kind if thing should maybe produce warnings, but not errors
21:32 < user890104> TheSeven: i've used -Werror in the makefile
21:32 < TheSeven> ah
21:32 < TheSeven> [23:28] <user890104> there's one thing in both versions that should be cleared up - there's no way to choose which device do you want to send data to, if there are multiple supported ipods connected << basically all of our code has that problem
21:37 < user890104> TheSeven: any suggestions how should it be implemented on the user interface side? menu, command line options or something else?
21:37 < TheSeven> command line options
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21:38 < TheSeven> ideally prepended --devicetype=IN2G or something similar
21:38 < TheSeven> as optional arguments of course, taking whatever device is available if no option is specified
21:38 < TheSeven> if there are multiple devices connected and no option is specified, it's probably best to list them and return an error status code
21:39 < TheSeven> if we have unique ids (which we should implement for emcore at least, we probably can't for dfu), we should also allow to select a specific device that way
21:52 < user890104> i've looked at ipodpatcher's code, it refuses to run if there are multiple ipods connected, so that would be enough to prevent connecting to wrong devices
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22:01 < TheSeven> nano2gs will reject code for nano3g/4g/classic and the other way round
22:01 < TheSeven> but nano3g/nano4g/classic will accept each other's code
22:01 < TheSeven> and we can't even tell nano3gs/classics apart at all
22:04 < user890104> even by looking at the serial number?
22:08 < user890104> TheSeven: what software did you use to sniff itunes' usb protocol for updating nano 4gs?
22:10 < Farthen> user890104: it uses quite the same api as libusb itself
22:11 < Farthen> he looked into some code from the iphone dev team that used that driver
22:12 < user890104> so the question is what did they use to capture the packets
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22:14 < Farthen> the api of the driver is the same as the libusb api. this could have been done with some guesswork it think
22:15 < Farthen> and if you are wondering about a usb sniffer: there is a setup that allows wireshark running on linux capture usb traffic from a windows vm
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22:24 < TheSeven> [00:04] <user890104> even by looking at the serial number? << you can't look at the serial number from DFU mode
22:28 < TheSeven> btw there are also usb sniffers for windows, they just aren't exactly reliable
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