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16:03 < user890104> can someone with 2g nano check if he/she can run an emcore binary from within recovery mode (emcoreldr.py run emcore.bin or something like that)
16:03 < user890104> it fails for me with various error messages - unknown error, pipe error, timeout ...
16:05  * TheSeven checks
16:07 < TheSeven> works fine for me (windows)
16:08 < user890104> which binary did you run
16:08 < TheSeven> svn head from the build server
16:08 < TheSeven> http://builds.freemyipod.org/emcore/target/ipodnano2g/emcore-ipodnano2g-r694.bin
16:10 < user890104> http://pastebin.com/E8dCspMP
16:11 < user890104> then the ipod locks up
16:16 < user890104> i'm actually doing this on ipod with emcore uninstalled, then i enter NOR DFU, lock the hold switch, feed it with emcoreldr-...dfu, unlock hold and then try to run emcore
16:17 < [Saint]> that sounds like it might be "edge case" material ;)
16:17 < TheSeven> oh, that explains it
16:17 < user890104> and another strang thing is that my dfu utility fails to upload the loader, only the python one does
16:17  * TheSeven is surprised that emcoreldr does even boot through nor DFU
16:18 < user890104> isn't it supposed to tun?
16:19 < user890104> run*
16:20  * user890104 assumes that everything ending in .dfu would run in bootrom/nor dfu, and everything ending in .bin would run with "emcoreldr run" and "emcore runfirmware"
16:21 < TheSeven> nope
16:21 < TheSeven> bootrom dfu runs from IRAM, nor dfu from DRAM
16:22 < TheSeven> so this seems to be position-independent code by accident, otherwise it wouldn't have even booted
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16:22 < TheSeven> and uploading the emcore image will overwrite the loader in this case, which explains the crash
16:22 < TheSeven> what you could do is uploading another emcore loader (decrypted) to 0x22000000 and running it from there, entering it's recovery mode, and then booting emcore
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16:26 < user890104> what would be the stack address?
16:27 < Farthen> IIUC it doesn't matter because emcore would initialize the stack anyway
16:27 < Farthen> but i may be wrong ;)
16:30 < TheSeven> the loader doesn't even use a stack
16:30 < TheSeven> so the value is completely ignore
16:30 < TheSeven> ignored*
16:33 < user890104> it boots now, thanks
16:33 < user890104> i only need to figure out why dfu uploading with the python script works but with the C app doesn't
16:35 < user890104> they look like they're doing the exact same thing .. CRC32 matches, but my app gives "failed: (2 / 10)" error
16:41 < Farthen> try sniffing usb traffic
16:41 < Farthen> that should reveal the problem
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16:43 < sk13> hello
16:43 < sk13> any one here?
16:43 < sk13> i have a question!!!
16:44 < kyle6513_> whats the problem sk13?
16:44 < sk13> is this a chat room about rockbox for ipod classic?
16:45 < kyle6513_> sort of, yes.
16:45 < sk13> i've try it and failed :(
16:45 < kyle6513_> This is more about getting rockbox on the ipod classic
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16:45 < sk13> yeah
16:45 < sk13> i had try it but failed
16:46 < sk13> after i copied the ubi file
16:46 < kyle6513> well sk13 I can't really help you to be honest, I haven't had much experience
16:46 < kyle6513> although I believe one of the other people may be able to help you if you stick around for a while
16:46 < sk13> yeah that's alright
16:46 < sk13> thanks
16:47 < Farthen> sk13: can you explain your problem in more detail?
16:47 < Farthen> what did you do and what do you see on your screen now?
16:47 < sk13> uhm the emcore screen showed up, i reseted my ipod but after that there was no rockbox screen
16:47 < sk13> my ipod said i need to connect to itunes to restore
16:48 < kyle6513> (thanks farthen ;) )
16:48 < sk13> and then it keep reset again and again
16:48 < sk13> :((
16:48 < Farthen> weird
16:48 < Farthen> so you see a "connect to itunes to restore" screen on your ipod now?
16:48 < sk13> yup
16:48 < TheSeven> you resetted it in the middle of the installation process?
16:48 < sk13> in like 4 languages
16:49 < sk13> including japanese :))
16:49 < kyle6513> hmm, sounds like a botched firmware part
16:49 < TheSeven> sounds like half-installed emcore, yes
16:49 < sk13> oh
16:50 < TheSeven> so what *exactly* did you do, and what was happening?
16:50 < TheSeven> when did you reset it, and why? what was it doing at that point?
16:51 < sk13> after i copied the ubi file, i ejected then plug it out, the ipod runed, the emcored showed up told me to press menu+center button
16:51 < sk13> i did it
16:51 < sk13> then it showed up the screen
16:51 < sk13> but that restore screen only appeared for like 5s then my ipod reseted
16:52 < sk13> then the restore screen showed up again if i didn't hook it up with my pc
16:53 < sk13> ah
16:53 < TheSeven> what exactly was the ipod doing when you held menu+select?
16:53 < sk13> just the emcore screen
16:54 < sk13> it told me to do it
16:54 < TheSeven> "the emcore screen"?
16:54 < TheSeven> emcore will *never* tell you to do that
16:54 < sk13> what???
16:54 < TheSeven> umsboot might do so, but that's before you copy the ubi file
16:55 < sk13> no but the screen has a emcore title on top
16:55 < sk13> it said that to continue installation and agree with your terms press menu+select
16:56 < sk13> i can take a picture and up load it if you want
16:56 < sk13> i'm able to do the proccess again
16:56 < Farthen> don't do anything again!
16:57 < sk13> upx i have done it again once
16:57 < sk13> but it turn out still the same
16:57 < TheSeven> it does tell you to press menu+play, not menu+select...
16:58 < kyle6513> ah user error, the worst kind of bug :P
16:58 < sk13> i'm not really sure :))
16:58 < sk13> i'm not a big fan of reading policy lol
16:58 < TheSeven> and before you have pressed menu+play, menu+select should just boot back into the apple firmware
16:58 < sk13> alright i see
16:59 < TheSeven> so i still don't get what was happened
16:59 < TheSeven> s/was/has/
16:59 < TheSeven> however, just starting over and doing it correctly should fix it
16:59 < sk13> ok thanks
16:59 < sk13> after this i think you guys should highlight the meny+play thing
17:00 < sk13> cuz i haven't do that ever
17:00 < sk13> usually i just do the reset thing
17:00 < TheSeven> no, because we want you to *read* the text, as it contains other important information as well
17:00 < TheSeven> for example that you'll lose all data etc.
17:01 < sk13> yeah i'm well aware of all that
17:02 < sk13> my ipod strucked today and i have restore it
17:02 < kyle6513> its more of a disclaimer to cover people's asses sk13.
17:02 < sk13> yeah my bad
17:02 < kyle6513> as I understand it.
17:03 < sk13> another questions fox
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17:03 < sk13> what's the dfu file is for?
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17:03 < TheSeven> to boot from dfu mode to umsboot on e.g. linux
17:03 < TheSeven> it's not needed if you use the windows bootstrapping tool
17:04 < sk13> oh it's working now
17:04 < sk13> thanks alot
17:05 < sk13> but i still things the play+press thing should be highlight :)
17:05 < Farthen> it is not highlighted to force you to read the text
17:05 < Farthen> this is intentional!
17:07 < sk13> well then it's work!!!
17:08 < sk13> i've read about this rockbox on head-fi
17:08 < sk13> beside battery life problem, is there anyother i should know?
17:09 < TheSeven> generally stability
17:09 < TheSeven> it occasionally crashes, and on some devices usb is acting up
17:12 < sk13> what's the average battery's life then? 
17:14 < TheSeven> i'd assume it's in the 8-12h range, but i haven't measured it recently
17:16 < sk13> ohhh
17:16 < sk13> i've hit another problem mow
17:17 < sk13> this time it's definitely not my fault
17:17 < sk13> i've copied a folder into my ipod
17:17 < sk13> press select on one song
17:18 < sk13> and now it has been loading for like 2'
17:19 < sk13> what should i do now?
17:19 < sk13> reset it?
17:19 < TheSeven> if it doesn't respond any more, you don't have a different option
17:19 < kyle6513> did you disconnect the Ipod?
17:19 < sk13> up
17:20 < sk13> yup
17:20 < kyle6513> then reset (:
17:20 < kyle6513> of course, if you can't get out of the menu
17:20 < sk13> no it's just loading
17:20 < TheSeven> is the HDD spinning?
17:20 < sk13> yup
17:20 < sk13> i've just reset
17:21 < sk13> it's working now
17:21 < sk13> after the first problem, i've turn out to be too careful :))
17:22 < TheSeven> just a general side note: always wait for at least 15 seconds before resetting the ipod if it locks up while the HDD is spinning (or until you notice it parking its heads)
17:23 < TheSeven> otherwise the HDD might do an emergency retract, which puts a lot of stress on the drive's mechanics
17:24 < TheSeven> (they're designed to withstand that a few thousand times, but it obviously causes unneccessary wear
17:24 < sk13> great tips 
17:24 < sk13> thanks
17:24 < sk13> but is there any way i can sync it from my itunes?
17:25 < sk13> i've changed file's names in there and now my file's names in folder suck
17:26 < TheSeven> itunes will always throw the music with cryptic file names into iPod_Control/Music
17:28 < sk13> that's too bad
17:31 < sk13> i think i probably will restore it back to iOS now then change all my file's names then bring it back to rockbox again 
17:31 < sk13> the changing thing will take weeks :(
17:33 < sk13> then what should i do to restore it?
17:33 < benedikt93> you can have iTunes organize your media (rename, put in folders) and then just copy that over
17:34 < sk13> that's a great idea :)
17:34 < Farthen> to restore, shut down your ipod, then enter dfu and connect to itunes
17:34 < sk13> let me try
17:37 < sk13> my itune can't turn up now
17:37 < sk13> look like i have to restart
17:37 < sk13> bye
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17:53 < sk13> hello again!
17:53 < sk13> thanks a lot for you guys support!
17:54 < sk13> i've just remember that i had forgot it
17:55 < sk13> another thing to ask about
17:55 < sk13> where's the sleeper time in rockbox?
17:55 < sk13> in application right?
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