--- Log opened Mon May 23 00:20:19 2011
00:20 < fmibot_> New commit by user890104 (r717): Beeper: fix a small bug
00:20 < fmibot_> r717 build result: emcore: All green!
00:58 < [Saint]> Bah!
00:58 < [Saint]> I *HATE* people that can't even wait ~10 minutes for help
00:58 < yuriks> yeah...
00:59 < [Saint]> I would've been happy to help the guy...*but*, I have a life, and I'm not at my machine 24/7
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15:05 < Boopop> What was it that made all this possible by the way? Last time I checked iPod Classic/Nano firmware was encrypted and meant no rockbox...
15:05 < Boopop> Great job by the way :)
15:11 < user890104> it's still encrypted :)
15:12 < user890104> but there are some exploits that allow running third-party code on these devices
15:12 < user890104> making it possible to replace their OF (original firmware)
15:14 < yuriks> I'm pretty sure we can decrypt the rest too
15:16 < benedikt93> the problem is that we can't extract the keys, only use them on the device
15:18 < yuriks> that's not a huge deal though, is it?
15:19 < benedikt93> as long as they don't switch to some asymmetric crypting, no
15:20  * yuriks wonders why chipmakers haven't started encryting the boot rom yet
15:21 < yuriks> or actually, have the processor be able to directly execute encrypted instruction streams :P
15:21 < Boopop> I'm glad it's been sorted though, my 80GB iPod was starting to get a bit cramped!
15:21 < Boopop> I have 93GB of music now xD
15:21 < Boopop> don't want to re-encode it either
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16:23 < Farthen> yuriks: you mean like the integrated barrel shifter an integrated AES instruction decoder? xD
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19:22 < paulo_> Hello
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19:33 < paulo_> Hello
19:45 < Farthen> paulo_: do you have any question?
19:46 < paulo_> nope. just hanging
19:46 < paulo_> i own a nano 6g
19:46 < paulo_> i tried to find an exploit
19:46 < paulo_> only to fail miserably.
19:46 < paulo_> great project though.
19:46 < Farthen> nano 6g is not supported yet (and we don't know if ever)
19:47 < paulo_> but, i found ways to make it crash
19:48 < paulo_> never a real overflow, though
19:48 < Farthen> how?
19:48 < paulo_> iirc
19:49 < paulo_> making the song length in the itunes library (in the ipod) really big crashes it
19:50 < paulo_> parsing bugs in the exercise app
19:50 < Farthen> ah, interesting. well, as nobody of us has one of these things we don't yet look into it ;)
19:50 < Farthen> also the touch screen interface is probably hard to imitate
19:50 < paulo_> and also, whenever i bring it up
19:51 < paulo_> (unsigned code on the 6g)
19:51 < paulo_> people keeps saying it's pointless.
19:52 < Farthen> it is pretty pointless as we only have a tiny touch screen which would need lots of changes to the rockbox ui for example
19:52 < paulo_> i'm really more on the learning part
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20:35 < paulo_> if it was needed to extract the AES key, how would it be done?
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20:40 < Farthen> we don't know any way to do that
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20:41 < Farthen> but there is probably no solution other than tearing the device apart and doing a deep analysis of the SoC
20:41 < Farthen> (as in impossible)
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21:22 < [Saint]> ....not *impossible*. but I guarantee that none of us have the tools to do so.
21:24 < Farthen> impossible for us
21:46 < TheSeven> Farthen: you're overlooking certain crypto attacks which could possibly reveal the key one day
21:47 < Farthen> that is right, yes
21:47 < Farthen> but to "read out" the key this would be the only option
21:47 < Farthen> of course you could "brute force" it or use some other algorithm to find it out
21:48 < Farthen> he asked about extracting which is only possible by hardware analysis
21:49  * TheSeven would call a crypto attack "extracting" as well
21:50  * Farthen gives up as TheSeven won't :-P
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