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10:13 < user890104> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0BE7R5hKLg
10:15 < user890104> ([Saint] might be interested :))
10:21 < [Saint]> The style isn't my "cup of tea", but it does look very nice indeed.
10:26 < user890104> "interested" as a theme developer
10:27 < user890104> i was thinking about an OF-style boot menu
10:27 < user890104> nice and simple
10:28 < user890104> with scroll clicks for example
10:28 < [Saint]> I very much wanted to get into themeing for emBIOS, and since, emCORE...but real life has got in the way.
10:28 < [Saint]> And, starting other projects that need finishing before I start others.
10:29 < [Saint]> its still a desire of mine, though.
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11:41  * TheSeven needs to put some more work into the boot menu one day
11:43 < user890104> for example the list chooser should truncate long texts when displaying
11:43 < user890104> but that's actually libui-related
11:43 < TheSeven> nah, the root cause of that problem is sitting a lot deeper
11:44 < TheSeven> we need proper font rendering support, and not just this built-in kernel fixed width font
11:44 < TheSeven> => we need a userspace font renderer lib
11:44 < TheSeven> should probably go into libui
11:44 < TheSeven> then that one should care about properly wrapping text if allowed, and otherwise truncating
11:45 < user890104> so we can set a custom font for the console?
11:45 < TheSeven> the kernel renderer we're using currently doesn't know how big the viewport is
11:45 < TheSeven> no, i'd like to keep the console stuff self-contained in the kernel
11:46 < TheSeven> otherwise we'd increase the risk of userspace problems infecting the kernel, and possibly even preventing a panic message from being shown
11:53 < user890104> how do we read the battery level on a nano 2g?
11:53 < user890104> or the clock
11:53 < user890104> i'd like to play with the bootmenu a bit :)
11:58 < Farthen> user890104: this is both in the pmu
11:59  * user890104 found readpmu.py
12:03 < user890104> i'd like to make an additional submenu in Tools - "Information"
12:03 < user890104> that would show the versions of each component, clock, voltage/current, etc.
12:04 < user890104> maybe free/used space on the flash/hdd
12:10 < Farthen> user890104: we could even do some kind of "top bar" which displays this information, like the OF
12:12 < TheSeven> user890104: clock isn't implemented yet, but is fairly trivial
12:12 < TheSeven> the more interesting part is to think of a sane cross-platform API for that
12:12 < Farthen> TheSeven: isn't that thing implemented in rockbox?
12:12 < TheSeven> yeah, it is
12:13 < TheSeven> it's basically just a couple of I2C registers on the PMU
12:13 < TheSeven> battery reading is already in-core, but the only thing that uses it so far is hddscan2
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12:49 < user890104> TheSeven: where is the source for hddscan2?
12:52 < TheSeven> somewhere on my hdd
12:52 < TheSeven> i'm not sure if i committed it
12:52 < TheSeven> but the battery reading stuff is fairly trivial
12:52 < user890104> i don't find it in apps
12:53 < user890104> int pmu_read_battery_voltage(void)
12:53 < user890104> int pmu_read_battery_current(void)
12:53 < user890104> void pmu_read_rtc(unsigned char* buffer)
12:53 < user890104> these would be enough :)
12:54 < TheSeven> battery_percentage = 100 * read_battery_mwh_current(0) / int read_battery_mwh_full(0);
12:56 < user890104> and how do i get mwh_current? voltage * current?
12:56 < user890104> oh, they are implemented in power.c
12:57 < TheSeven> we have the whole battery adaptation stuff in the kernel, to allow for a cross-platform way to read it out
13:11 < Farthen> i see the reasoning behind this even though putting everything into the core which is cross-platform sure leads to some big core ;)
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13:16 < s__C> hello
13:16 < s__C> anybody here ?
13:16 < s__C> i just have one small question
13:16 < TheSeven> just ask it :)
13:16 < s__C> ok
13:16 < s__C> i have a docking station connected to the sector. i can too recharge my ipod
13:17 < s__C> but i can't get any sound out of the "LOD" port of my ipod
13:17 < s__C> is it emcore related or rockbox related ?
13:17 < s__C> and i saw of the head-fi thread that some people managed to get sound through their LOD
13:18 < TheSeven> everything sound-related is rockbox-related
13:18 < s__C> ok
13:18 < TheSeven> did you turn on line-out?
13:18 < s__C> dunno
13:18 < s__C> maybe it could be it
13:18 < TheSeven> seems likely
13:18 < s__C> let me check
13:19 < s__C> it directly switches to recharge mode
13:20 < s__C> dunno why
13:20 < s__C> but i bet that if i use a LOD with only an output sound it'll work
13:20 < s__C> damn it
13:21 < s__C> i'll ask on rockbox
13:22 < s__C> thx for the first help TheSeven 
13:23 < TheSeven> press and hold the menu button while plugging it in
13:26 < s__C> ok thx again
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13:34 < user890104> TheSeven: i get an error when trying to read the clock
13:35 < user890104> build/main.o: In function `__emcore_entrypoint_c':
13:35 < user890104> main.c:(.emcoreentrypoint+0x480): undefined reference to `pmu_read_rtc'
13:36 < TheSeven> i'm not sure if I have added these to the syscall API yet
13:39 < user890104> i don't find it in syscallapi.h
13:40 < TheSeven> it's probably also unimplemented on all current targets
13:40 < user890104> can we add return false or something like that on them
13:40 < user890104> and add it to the syscall api?
13:41 < user890104> for example read_battery_voltage on nano4g simply returns -1 now
13:41 < TheSeven> hm, i'd think we should first think of its final calling conventions, to decide on both the final function declaration and a sane "unimplemented" return value
13:42 < Farthen> wouldn't it be better to have a #define NOT_IMPLEMENTED somewhere?
13:42 < TheSeven> that would collide with actual return values sometimes
13:43 < TheSeven> if you e.g. want to return a pointer, NULL is a sane NOT_IMPLEMENTED value, but nothing else
13:43 < Farthen> other option would be to always return a pointer to the desired return value :)
13:43 < TheSeven> if you want to return e.g. a count however, 0 is a perfectly valid value, and you'd progbably use -1
13:43 < TheSeven> how would that work?
13:44 < Farthen> the syscallapi always takes the return value, stores it somewhere and returns the address
13:44 < Farthen> sure there is an overhead but that would make the api more clean ;)
13:57 < TheSeven> and you would cause lots of memory leaks
13:57 < Farthen> good point
14:00 < Farthen> or the api could have some ability to ask whether a function is implemented or not. i just think that this needs some kind of wrapper which works for everything
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16:39 < Dgby714> wow
16:39 < Dgby714> Haven't turned my ipod on in almost 2 years and its still the latest version >..>
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18:42 < johnmoe> Hello everyone, could i get some help with something?
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20:10 < TheSeven> Dgby714: "low battery screen" doesn't mean low battery at all
20:10 < TheSeven> it's usually an indicator of FTL trouble, for whatever reason
20:10 < TheSeven> wiping the FTL might help
20:17 < Dgby714> TheSeven: Using ipodpater didn't work but bootnote did
20:17 < Dgby714> Btw do you remember me?
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20:24 < TheSeven> Dgby714: yeah, you're one of the "early adopters", rightß
20:24 < TheSeven> s/ß/?/
20:25 < TheSeven> hm, i need to think of a way to automate FTL resets without needing that whole bunch of tools
20:25 < TheSeven> probably just make an emcore UBI for it
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