--- Log opened Sat Oct 22 00:06:01 2011
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00:42 < wawaron> bot?
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07:45 < adiblol> ok, now i have time for n5g cracking, any suggestions?
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18:12 < wawaron> hello
18:12 < wawaron> do i have to remove rockbox before installing emcore?
18:13 < TheSeven> no
18:13 < wawaron> only rockbox bootloader?
18:14 < TheSeven> if you have a rockbox bootloader installed when installing emcore on a nano2g, you might end up with a broken appleos.bin file
18:14 < TheSeven> fixing that is just a matter of replacing that file, if you need the apple firmware at all
18:14 < TheSeven> uninstalling the rockbox bootloader avoids that problem, removing rockbox itself doesn't have any effect (except for you needing to reinstall it after the emcore installation)
18:18 < wawaron> ok thank you
18:20 < wawaron> hmmm can you access www.rockbox.org ?
18:21 < wawaron> look like my dns is fucked again
18:38 < wawaron> does the reboot after installing emcore is supposed to be long?
18:38 < [Saint]> How long is "long"?
18:39 < wawaron> like a minute 
18:39 < TheSeven> with what on the screen?
18:39 < wawaron> apple logo
18:39 < TheSeven> hm, an apple logo clearly means that emcore wasn't installed
18:39 < [Saint]> Hummm...no.
18:40 < wawaron> should i reboot it again?
18:40 < [Saint]> Something went awry.
18:41 < wawaron> oh reboot agaain and finaly emcore installer :d
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18:46 < wawaron> that's a bling bling installer 
18:46 < wawaron> and menu :)
18:50 < wawaron> but ya go to rockbox then shutdown then "loading emcore..." for about a minute now :S
18:51 < [Saint]> That's....not right.
18:51 < [Saint]> In fact, that's VERY wrong.
18:52 < TheSeven> that shouldn't take longer than 2 seconds
18:52 < [Saint]> Emcore's load time is "blink of an eye" fast.
18:52 < wawaron> :s
18:52 < wawaron> can i reboot safely?
18:53 < wawaron> switching hold doesnt do anything either
18:53 < [Saint]> For varying definitions of safe, yes.
18:53 < [Saint]> You've little other option.
18:54 < wawaron> weird now i have the eemcore menu ..
18:55 < wawaron> it work but not everytime..
18:55 < [Saint]> Sounds like slightly dodgy hardware.
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18:59 < wawaron> nop seem to do this only when i shutdown from rockbox
19:00 < wawaron> yeah i can repetedly reproduce this
19:00 < [Saint]> Hmmm. Odd.
19:01 < TheSeven> wawaron: does the time that the ipod was powered off after shutting down rockbox have an influence?
19:01  * TheSeven thinks an accidental coldboot attack might be confusing something :)
19:02 < TheSeven> i.e. does it fail if it was only powered off for a second but work if it was powered off for a minute?
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19:02 < wawaron> trying that
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19:03 < wawaron> i'm played music for a bout a minute in rockbox then shutdown and same thing happened :S
19:04 < wawaron> what's a coldboot attack ?
19:05 < [Saint]> No no...shut down, *then* wait, then reboot.
19:05 < wawaron> ah i see
19:07 < wawaron> humm yeah work :P
19:08 < wawaron> can i know what's a coldboot attack and why it's doing that?
19:10 < [Saint]> "cold boot" is a reference for accessing data left over in RAM from the previous run.
19:11 < wawaron> but if i wait a bit on the boot menu then it freeze :S
19:11 < wawaron> a bit like 10 sec
19:14 < [Saint]> It doesn't matter how long you wait, or don't wait, between booting emcore and Rockbox. The suspected error here is (possibly) from shutting down Rockbox and then booting emcore too quickly.
19:17 < TheSeven> wait, he did say that the menu freezes up after working for a couple of seconds?
19:17 < wawaron> yeah it does make a difference but the boot menu freeze after like 10 sec
19:17  * TheSeven smells undervolting
19:17 < [Saint]> I can't recall if the boot menu freeze you're experiencing was fixed in the last public release (r708) or not. It sounds like you're hitting that.
19:18 < TheSeven> hm, i think that bug didn't trigger *that* often
19:18 < TheSeven> otherwise we would have caught it earlier
19:18 < wawaron> i have the r692 because 708 isbroken
19:18 < TheSeven> is the time that the menu works highly dependent on how actively you mess with it?
19:18 < TheSeven> i.e. does it freeze after a couple of seconds of heavy scrolling, but not after a minute of lying around?
19:19 < [Saint]> 708 is broken? Since when?
19:19 < wawaron> installer-ipodnano2g.ipodx (this file is broken, please use the one from the previous release)
19:19 < TheSeven> wtf?
19:19 < wawaron> well xD
19:19 < [Saint]> That's...plain wrong.
19:20 < wawaron> good to know :)
19:20 < [Saint]> I'd like to know who made that edit.
19:21 < [Saint]> I'm a: supposed to be working, and b: on my phone, but I can say that r708 is *supposed* to be the last stable public release.
19:21 < wawaron> it freeze after a couple of seconds of "heavy" scrolliing
19:21 < [Saint]> And its known good.
19:22 < [Saint]> wawaron: right, that's a known bug.
19:22 < TheSeven> does anyone volunteer to fix up that ipodx file?
19:22 < [Saint]> Fixed in later revisions.
19:22 < TheSeven> (it's just a matter of running ipodcrypt + scramble on the UBI)
19:22 < wawaron> fixed in 708 ? the supposed to be broken?
19:22 < [Saint]> Yes.
19:23 < [Saint]> TheSeven: can't now, sorry. Quite some distance and time from a nano2g
19:24  * TheSeven accuses user890104 of flagging/removing that release instead of fixing it :P
19:24 < TheSeven> user890104: what was wrong with it?
19:25 < [Saint]> Isn't there a .united and or noteboot for 708 too?
19:25 < [Saint]> *ubi
19:26 < wawaron> yep
19:26 < wawaron> they are fine
19:26 < [Saint]> Are they all flagged as "bad"?
19:26 < wawaron> nop only .ipodx
19:26  * TheSeven suggests to upgrade from 692 to 708 via the ubi file
19:26 < [Saint]> Indeed.
19:26 < TheSeven> i think we had a 0-byte ipodx file recently, might have been the reason for that removal
19:27 < wawaron> .ubi is to upgrade from emcore?
19:27 < [Saint]> Hum...
19:27 < [Saint]> Yes.
19:28 < TheSeven> boot umsboot, drop the ubi file into the USB drive that connects to you pc, safely eject it, wait a couple of seconds, and you'll have r708 installed
19:28 < [Saint]> Boot umsboot from the emcore menu.
19:29 < wawaron> ok i will try that
19:30 < [Saint]> It will make a 64(?)MB RAMdisk called UMSboot that you just need to transfer the .ubi file to.
19:31 < [Saint]> Safely remove the volume (IMPORTANT!), unplug, and then wait. The installer will do the rest.
19:31 < wawaron> i did go to umsboot then read the message then reboot then the "loading emcore..." bug, so it maybe a coldboot attack :P
19:31 < TheSeven> [Saint]: it's 32MB on the nano
19:32 < [Saint]> TheSeven: ah, right. Yeah I wasn't quite sure.
19:32 < TheSeven> wawaron: but I assume the update was installed successfully before rebooting?
19:32 < wawaron> i didn't update yet 
19:32 < TheSeven> huh?
19:32 < TheSeven> so you rebooted manually before copying the ubi file?
19:33 < [Saint]> wawaron: NP, that should have been fine. If I remember correctly it explicitly states to reboot if you got to the umsboot screen "accidentally".
19:33 < wawaron> i put ubi file on the ipod then eject then umsboot ?
19:33 < [Saint]> *no
19:33 < wawaron> yes that'S what i did SAint
19:33 < [Saint]> And yes, correct, place the file, safely remove, unplug.
19:36 < wawaron> at the root of my ipod?
19:36 < [Saint]> At the root of the "umsboot" volume. If you see any other files in there, you didn't boot umsboot.
19:37 < [Saint]> You need to select umsboot from the emcore menu first.
19:37 < wawaron> ah i see now UMSBoot volume
19:38 < wawaron> ok flashing ..
19:39 < wawaron> great!
19:39 < [Saint]> The freezes in the menu will now be a thing of the past.
19:40 < wawaron> the coldboot thing too?
19:41 < [Saint]> ...possibly. I don't think anyone has ever seen that before to be honest.
19:41 < wawaron> look like it
19:41 < [Saint]> Then, great :)
19:42 < wawaron> i'm trying to learn ARM asm, and someone here said i could using emcore
19:43 < wawaron> could run asm 
19:43 < [Saint]> Now you just need to update your Rockbox version, if you didn't already.
19:50 < wawaron> yup now i have the latest
19:54 < wawaron> how do i run asm on this?
20:03 < wawaron> i checked emcore.py and all but how do i run an .asm file on my ipod?
20:05 < TheSeven> you can't run an ASM file
20:05 < TheSeven> you'll have to compile/assemble it first
20:05 < TheSeven> you'll have to decide whether to run it as an emcore application (and use emcore's APIs) or on the bare hardware
20:09 < wawaron> being an emcore app is safer?
20:09 < TheSeven> not neccessarily safer, but certainly easier
20:11 < wawaron> is thera documentation of this api ?
20:20 < wawaron> hmm i guess i i will have to content myself with the sources
20:21 < wawaron> thank you for your help! amazing project! Byebye
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