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17:54 < nieuwbie> Hello, which programs are included in emcore r708 realise?
17:54 < nieuwbie> Bootmenu, emcore console... emcorefs?
17:56 < user890104> emcorefs is a separate one that runs on the PC
17:56 < nieuwbie> wait, so emcorefs is a way to comunicate with ipod?
17:56 < user890104> the installer includes emcoreldr, emcore, umsboot, bootmenu, uninstaller
17:56 < user890104> yes, exactly
17:57 < nieuwbie> I see.
17:57 < user890104> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCOREFS
17:57 < nieuwbie> emcoreldr code is in emcore isn't it?
17:58 < user890104> it is in emcore/trunk/loader
17:58 < user890104> it replaces apple's loader in the NOR flash (at least on nano 2g)
17:59 < nieuwbie> By loader you mean linker editor?
17:59 < nieuwbie> *link editor
17:59 < user890104> emcoreldr initializes most of the hardware components
17:59 < user890104> and then loads emcore from the NOR flash into the RAM, and executes it
18:00 < user890104> uhm actually not "most" but the lower-level ones
18:00 < user890104> like the SDRAM
18:01 < nieuwbie> I see.
18:01 < user890104> libemcore and emcorefs are using the same protocol, and they communicate with emcore's usb monitor interface
18:01 < nieuwbie> libemcore?
18:01 < user890104> emcore/trunk/tools
18:02 < user890104> emcore.py and libemcore.py
18:02 < nieuwbie> ok.
18:02 < user890104> (and some other files)
18:04 < nieuwbie> and what's genbbt doing there in libemcore?
18:06 < user890104> it generates bad block table on ipod classics, which are then used by emcore and rockbox, to avoid writing data into bad hdd blocks
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21:14 < TheSeven> or rather (counterintuitively) takes a bad block list and generates a remapping table from that (which technically isn't a bad block table)
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21:18 < user890104> TheSeven: and uses an emBI* prefix, which sounds like emBIOS
21:18 < user890104> we should change it :)
21:19 < user890104> (and break backwards compatibility)
21:20 < Farthen> user890104: you have commit access, do it! and write an update script that automatically updates it to prevent this problem
21:25 < user890104> Farthen: i could do that, but it's your job to run it on every emcored ipod classic then
21:26 < Farthen> user890104: i am in no way responsible for the ipod classic. i don't even have one. so then we would have basically TheSeven and you left. and as TheSeven obviously doesn't want anything to do with this boring stuff the only one left is… you
21:29 < user890104> Farthen: i think that it would be fair that if i implement it, then someone else should take care of running it on all emcored ipods so far, so it doesn't break backwards compatibility. as TheSeven is usually involved in developing of the core software, it's you that's left to do this boring task
21:30 < user890104> use the log files from the server to track down every user who downloaded emcore installer for ipod classic, then make him run the script
21:36 < Farthen> i actually thought the script would be run automatically when updating. which would actually be your task to implement
21:38 < user890104> what are *you* going to do in this case?
21:38 < Farthen> essentially nothing
21:38 < Farthen> which is my point
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